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Phoenix Radio Ratings: June 2013

Phoenix: http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb057

Overall age 6+ publicly released data for subscribing stations is for the June 2013 survey period covering Thu. 5/23/13-Wed. 6/19/13.
Next survey period will be July 2013 (covering Thu. 6/20/13-Wed. 7/17/13) with the data release date being Tue. 8/6/13.
 
Now if we could only get The Old Gringo or RadioResearcher to give us the money demo breakouts. Sorry, but Los Buckeye Boys can't afford to make Arbitron any more money than what they're making now :'(
 
Dr. Akbar said:
Now if we could only get The Old Gringo or RadioResearcher to give us the money demo breakouts. Sorry, but Los Buckeye Boys can't afford to make Arbitron any more money than what they're making now

AllAccess has the 25-54, but you do have to sign up.

In any event, in rank order ("rank" meaning "order in a hierarchy" and not "a foul smell")...

KOOL
KSLX
KNIX
KPKX
KESZ
KMXP
KUPD
KHOT
KZZP
KZON
KDKB
KLNZ
KTAR
KYOT
KMLE
 
Wow, these are some of the worst ratings KTAR FM has had in a while.
Think that some changing may be coming?
 
Billkex said:
Wow, these are some of the worst ratings KTAR FM has had in a while.
Think that some changing may be coming?

It is still well above the average for the final part of 2012... although it is not as high as the previous several months of 2013.
 
Billkex said:
Wow, these are some of the worst ratings KTAR FM has had in a while.
Think that some changing may be coming?

Must be the noon news hour that's driving 'em away ::)

C'mon...it's June, stinkin' hot, kids are out of school, and the three hole wonder no longer leads each newscast! KTweetAR consistently places well in the money demos without having to play music. That's a good thing for a news/talk station.
 
DavidEduardo said:
In any event, in rank order ("rank" meaning "order in a hierarchy" and not "a foul smell")...

KOOL
KSLX
KNIX
KPKX
KESZ
KMXP
KUPD
KHOT
KZZP
KZON
KDKB
KLNZ
KTAR
KYOT
KMLE

WOW! What does that say about our market with two "oldies" specialties taking the top spots?
 
landtuna said:
WOW! What does that say about our market with two "oldies" specialties taking the top spots?

It means that there is not enough audience for two stations to thrive in those respective formats, so the single station in each does quite well.

The competition fragments the other format options much more in Phoenix, masking the fact that neither of the stations you mention represents the biggest formats... they are alone and unchallenged because it's not worth it to be the second station in either of those formats.
 
KAZG "Lumberyard 1440" goes from a 0.1 to a 0 according to Tom Taylor's Wednesday email.

I haven't driven by lately; is their tower even erect?

(Now there's a set-up; you're welcome.)
 
DavidEduardo said:
landtuna said:
WOW! What does that say about our market with two "oldies" specialties taking the top spots?

It means that there is not enough audience for two stations to thrive in those respective formats, so the single station in each does quite well.

The competition fragments the other format options much more in Phoenix, masking the fact that neither of the stations you mention represents the biggest formats... they are alone and unchallenged because it's not worth it to be the second station in either of those formats.

David - I have to respectfully disagree with you.

There are some formats that are way too fragmented and others that aren't being served or are underserved.

I need to understand why there is a need for two Spanish Adult Hits stations. KOMR has a superior signal when it comes to Spanish dominant to KVVA and is now losing to it. You may say no one needs to compete head to head with KOOL, but I'd argue their isn't room for another station in that demo somewhere.

I bet Jose and Recuerdo combined don't bill half of KOOL or Peak.

Univision has the top morning show talent in Spanish language radio and a great signal and is now neck and neck with Entravision's KLNZ.

La Kalle added a second signal, but still barely shakes a 1.0 share.

You can't make me believe a second AC in Phoenix couldn't generate more revenue than Recuerdo or La Kalle does...

I agree other formats are fragmented. We now have three Hot AC's in the market splitting what was about 8-9 total shares.

Can't deny KSLX, KESZ, KOOL, and Peak - who play no or limited current music are among the top 5 stations 25-54.
 
And also observing that the format change by KYOT about a year ago has apparently failed big time.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Dr. Akbar said:
Now if we could only get The Old Gringo or RadioResearcher to give us the money demo breakouts. Sorry, but Los Buckeye Boys can't afford to make Arbitron any more money than what they're making now

AllAccess has the 25-54, but you do have to sign up.

In any event, in rank order ("rank" meaning "order in a hierarchy" and not "a foul smell")...

KOOL
KSLX
KNIX
KPKX
KESZ
KMXP
KUPD
KHOT
KZZP
KZON
KDKB
KLNZ
KTAR
KYOT
KMLE

In addition to David's post above, here's the June 2013 PPM analysis from AllAccess which lists the top 5 in 25-54, 18-34 + 18-49 (scroll down for Phoenix):

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/a...rch-director-inc-presents-exclusive-june-ppm-
 
Radioresearcher said:
landtuna said:
And also observing that the format change by KYOT about a year ago has apparently failed big time.

KYOT is significantly stronger 25-54 adults and women than it ever was with Smooth Jazz.

Perhaps but when you are virtually dead last the news can't be good.

I might have to tune KOOL in once again and see what their playlist looks like now. They were getting too current for me a year ago.
 
landtuna said:
Radioresearcher said:
landtuna said:
And also observing that the format change by KYOT about a year ago has apparently failed big time.

KYOT is significantly stronger 25-54 adults and women than it ever was with Smooth Jazz.

Perhaps but when you are virtually dead last the news can't be good.

I might have to tune KOOL in once again and see what their playlist looks like now. They were getting too current for me a year ago.

KOOL got aided by a spike in Men 25-34 ... they went from 21st in April to 1st in June with an increase of over 550%.

KYOT in Prime is 14th 25-54 and is ahead of KMLE. It was 11th (10th among English stations in Women).

If you're CC and you have FM's targeting Women, probably very happy with all five of your stations in the top 10 in that demo (and you have the top 3).
 
Radioresearcher said:
There are some formats that are way too fragmented and others that aren't being served or are underserved.

I was addressing the KOOL issue specifically. It's not unlike country in San Diego... there is room for one station, but sales-wise, not for two. The big failure of the CC country in SD, programming aside, was that reach and frequency buy analysis would always knock the second country station out due to the minimal contribution to reach that it added to a buy that already had KSON on it.

With classic hits, there is another reason why two such stations won't work: not only would the lower one fail on reach and frequency criteria, it would also fail by making any broad buy to heavy on the older demo side.

I need to understand why there is a need for two Spanish Adult Hits stations. KOMR has a superior signal when it comes to Spanish dominant to KVVA and is now losing to it.

That's a specific-to-the stations matter, and not quite relevant to stations with real signals. KOMR only puts a 65 dbu over 15% of the metro. It is up against a competitor with a 65 dbu that covers three times as many people, and a station which has a morning show that does very well in other markets like the IE, Las Vegas and Fresno, to name a couple.

But again, the issue here is a bad signal against a very bad signal. That is not the same as looking at how KOOL has a format to itself, while some other formats or close-proximity formats are highly fragmented.

You may say no one needs to compete head to head with KOOL, but I'd argue their isn't room for another station in that demo somewhere.

KOOL's issues are still its fight to stay relevant in 25-54, and that challenge keeps other stations out of the demo with the same or formats after the same demo. This is not unlike the issues WFEZ in Miami went through... on the first iteration of the soft AC format, they made poor impact in 25-54 but did really well in 65+ so they did a major facelift and moved on younger demos.

I bet Jose and Recuerdo combined don't bill half of KOOL or Peak.

Not a fair comparison... even Jose reaches only about 40% of the market's population. So the billing is going to be low because the ratings potential is low, and because low-tier stations don't even compete for most agency buys... even in Spanish.

Univision has the top morning show talent in Spanish language radio and a great signal and is now neck and neck with Entravision's KLNZ.

But neither, despite being quite close to KOOL in 25-54 (and many times better in the past) bill significantly less than KOOL... as much as 40% less.

La Kalle added a second signal, but still barely shakes a 1.0 share.

The two signals, combined, essentially cover very little of the market. It is a miracle that it gets what it gets.

You can't make me believe a second AC in Phoenix couldn't generate more revenue than Recuerdo or La Kalle does...

Neither could compete based on signal. Again, even if either could get, let's say, a third of KESZ's numbers, it would rank so low as to not be considered for an "x-deep" buy and it would be eliminated on cume duplication, anyway, after r&f calculations were done.
 
landtuna said:
Radioresearcher said:
KYOT is significantly stronger 25-54 adults and women than it ever was with Smooth Jazz.

Perhaps but when you are virtually dead last the news can't be good.

KYOT is 14th in 25-54, tied with KTAR and ahead of KMLE. Not great, but much more salable than the smooth jazz format was under PPM. Since the station is part of a cluster, it packages well with other stations like KESZ.
 
DavidEduardo said:
KYOT is 14th in 25-54, tied with KTAR and ahead of KMLE. Not great, but much more salable than the smooth jazz format was under PPM. Since the station is part of a cluster, it packages well with other stations like KESZ.

I keep forgetting that ads are sold by cluster but clusters are not important to me as a listener. I get that advertisers want certain demos and not necessarily performance position.

A lifetime as a listener (and not as a buyer) is difficult to change. ;D
 
How long can KDUS and KGME expect to last as sports stations? Both stations are at the bottom of the ratings list with a 1.0 between both stations. Neither one is making a dent against KTAR-AM, albeit 6+. Hopefully, KDUS and KGME are selling enough advertising and attracting enough men 25-54 to stay in the format. :)
 
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