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Phone Hybrid

Regarding the AP-10, it will work fine and give a deep null. In fact, take a look at the Comrex DH20 and you'll notice that the two are essentially the same unit. The basic differences are the AP-10 lacks XLRs (uses phoenix connectors) and lacks level trim pots. The AP-10 is (or was) marketed to conferencing and the DH20 is marketed to broadcast.

When Gentner disbanded, it sold off its hybrid to Comrex, I believe.
 
I used the DH20 at the last station I was at. A good unit, though I remember my PD telling me that something went out in it recently and he had to have it replaced. Still a good unit. I see on e-bay a few Gentner Digital III Hybrids going for $700 and up, but then, as I bought and should receive tomorrow, the Telos Delta 100 Digital Hybrid going for $305. Should the Telos been priced and that amount too? Or are they REALLY over pricing the Gentners?
 
Normally a 100 Delta would be that much. You got a steal.

URradiolistener said:
I used the DH20 at the last station I was at. A good unit, though I remember my PD telling me that something went out in it recently and he had to have it replaced. Still a good unit. I see on e-bay a few Gentner Digital III Hybrids going for $700 and up, but then, as I bought and should receive tomorrow, the Telos Delta 100 Digital Hybrid going for $305. Should the Telos been priced and that amount too? Or are they REALLY over pricing the Gentners?
 
greg.hahn said:
The Telos 100 is a great box, but probably more than you need.

Let's review what a phone hybrid does. The telephone line is a single circuit, with both send and receive audio on it. The "send" audio is from your board in the studio. the "receive" audio is the caller, wherever he may be. The hybrid seperates those into two circuits, one for send, the other for receive.

The receive audio, ideally, would be ONLY the receive audio. Even though it came from a circuit that contained both send and receive, the send audio is "nulled" out, so that theoretically only the receive audio is left.

The null circuit works by balancing the audio in one place against the audio in another place. When they match perfectly, you get a perfect null. But the reality is that they never match perfectly, so the null isn't perfect, and you end up with a little bit of your send audio on the receive audio pot on the board.

When this is really bad, your mic seems to be hotter through the caller pot than the caller himself is. The function of this hybid is the main reason you constantly hear talk show hosts telling their caller to speak up. Because even the best phone hybrids can only do so much.

The biggest problem in obtaining a consistent null in a radio station is that the phone lines are part of the null circuit, and the impedance of each phone line differs from the next. While a good sounding hybrid can be built really cheaply, it has to be adjusted for the deepest null on one phone line only. The other lines may not sound so good!

Thus, the "auto nulling" phone hybrids were invented, of which the Telos 100 is one of the best ones ever made. When you pick up the line, the hybrid gives a burst of noise down the phone line and an onboard computer nulls out the hybrid to that line. It all happens in less than a second, and you get the best null on that line that you can get.

But if you only have 1 phone line, that box may be overkill. Yes, it has some built in compression and EQ. But really... the big thing you are paying for with that is the auto null feature.


If money were an issue, I would look for an old Gentner SPH 3, 4, or 5 on Ebay. Or I'd consider the Broadcast Tools TT1 for $129. http://www.bswusa.com/proditem.asp?item=TT1

Or a step up from that is the JK Audio Inline Patch for $239... http://www.bswusa.com/proditem.asp?item=INLINEPATCH

Keep in mind you will have to manually null those units to your phone line. It's a matter of sending a tone down the line and adjusting a pot for minimum bleed-through.

But it beats spending a lot of money you don't need to spend.

Look for an old Symetrix T1-101 Phone Hybrid. Many stations used these in the 70s and 80s. It has a wonderful sound. The compression/limit is INCREDIBLE. Perfect match.
 
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