dumber than a box of hair said:
neo911 said:
Doesn't matter. The example I listed above were for stations broadcasting *in* specific cities and targeting those cities. The metro area populations of Rome or Athens are not larger than most U.S. metro areas.
Yes it does matter. The cities you cited are physically smaller and with higher population densities.
Doesn't matter. The stations operate at high wattages and can be heard far outside the actual cities. I've traveled and listened for myself. Still also doesn't change the fact that such a large number of stations can and do operate right next to each other, at high wattages, from the same transmitter site, despite the "conventional wisdom" here in the States.
dumber than a box of hair said:
neo911 said:
Frequencies are frequencies, and we're talking about the number of frequencies that can operate before planes, supposedly, start falling out of the sky.
Now you're just making it up as you go along.
Making what up? The argument here is that any additional stations on the dial in cities like Boston and we begin to have problems with interference between stations and, perhaps more significantly, to aviation frequencies. That's always one of the rationales that's been used to limit the amount of licenses issued. For instance, the NAB successfully limited the first round of LPFM licenses in 2000 by claiming that 10-100 watt LPFM stations on *second adjacent* frequencies would cause intereference to the full-powered stations 400 kHz away! Here, we have real-life examples of stations far more powerful than that operating much closer together on the dial to each other, without any problem.
dumber than a box of hair said:
neo911 said:
I just mentioned that in those cities, the stations are higher-powered, easily running 10-20 kw in most instances (and I'm not talking about ERP). Compare that with 6-7 kw for the stations broadcasting from the Empire State Building, for instance.
Apples to oranges. None of the cities you cited have any buildings as tall as the ESB, and when you go up in height, power comes down to maintain the same coverage.
In Athens, to give one example, most radio stations operate from the transmitter farm located atop Mount Hymettus, which has a height of 3,366 feet. The Empire State Building has a height of 1,454 feet, including its antenna spire. Yet those stations in Athens are pumping out 10-20 kw (and again, that is *not* their ERP).
dumber than a box of hair said:
neo911 said:
Wrong again. I've traveled to all of those cities, and whether I was listening in the car, on a home receiver, on a walkman, on my phone, etc., I had absolutely no trouble listening to the radio in any of those cities. In fact, I was struck by how clearly they were all received and many with excellent processing, almost all in stereo and almost all with RDS.
Then you have a much more selective radio than 99% of the population.
Can you read? I mentioned that I have listened on several different types of devices. To clarify for you, these include:
- Several different car radios
- At least two different walkmans
- A cell phone with radio tuner
- Two different portable radios
- Several indoor radios
On *all* of those radios, I had *no* problem tuning to *any* of those stations. Not in Athens, not in Rome, and not in Istanbul. So unless I have the Midas Touch and every single consumer-grade FM receiver I get my hands on suddenly becomes the most selective receiver on the planet, your argument is, once again, way off.
dumber than a box of hair said:
neo911 said:
True about the frequency allocations, but in those cities above, 90% of the stations operating right now are privately-owned. They seem to have no trouble doing business under current conditions or covering the entirety of those cities.
And you know this how?
Wow, what a response. I know this because I've researched it. Something you can do as well. The internet is your friend. Most stations in all of those cities are privately owned.
