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Chuck said:
lomax said:
I've been listening to KAAM since the late 80's....

Just wondering, do you think it is better, worse or about the same?

WORSE!

Now before I continue on this, let me say for the record that I DO BELIEVE that the move to more 50-70's makes since. Because the Big Band listeners are litteraly dying off!

What has made it worse is the LACK of personality. All the infomercials and colon clensers! There is no personality anymore. (ok, except for Jann McCoy but he has been on auto pilot for !@#$! soooo long.)

What made the station good was the different people who not only knew the music but also shared their collections. (Jack Bishop, Johnny Drake Carey Richards and others)

Not to mention the late great Hub cap carter and Eddie Hubbard (Did you know that Robert Conrad was his stepson and he now has a radio show?)

Not only did they know what they were talking about but all of those people listeners loved (and many more I have not mentioned) and cared about. They were the soul of that station and now they are gone. The only thing left interensting is Bockelman and what can you say? Well... Herman is herman but he's soooo good at being herman!

Good music, good people and a sales staff who knows how to sell to boomers and listeners will follow.

(ok, masybe a decent PD as well!)

How do I know? I've been listening to KAAM all the way back to the KFJZ 870 formats with Paul Thomas Hughes and Howard Greenblatt!

She can be good and competitive at what she does. You just need to build it and keep the owner the hell out of the way!

-BGH
 
KAAM still a fun blend of music and personality...again they're still there...and it makes for a very pleasant throwback to a simpler time. Now, this is America and the opportunities are endless...if there is money to be made in an all big band or forties format..there's no stopping anyone from putting together a business plan and convincing a local owner that it would be a moneymaker. For me, the blend of music and big signal during the day can't be beat...and I'd say Kudos to the team there for keeping it going. When in Houston I notice....no such format to be had.
 
This could really be a new subject, but it is appropos here. The subject: Standards Format Done Right. See - in Dallas - as I long as I've been here no one ever has. ???

Yesterday, I marked my 20th year in broadcasting. I started on KQUE-FM (102.9) in 1990. They had a Big Band Show that I took over from Ronnie Renfrow on Sunday nights and I was there for 6 1/2 years. I knew Paul Berlin (now in the Radio Hall of Fame) and all the other people that worked there - behind the mike as well as in sales.

The FM signal was broadcast over 100,000 watts beginning in 1960!!! Webb Hunt was the original program director and it was he who invented and developed what is now characterized as the Adult Standards Format. In the 60's and 70's it was alternately labled Beautiful Music or Easy Listening. It was also called MOR (middle of the road). Paul Berlin had his own label for the station (AOR - All OVER the road) ;D.

PD Webb Hunt (and later Paul Berlin) were autonomous. That is, they made the determination in what music was to be aired - and it was the sales department's job to go out and sell it. Throughout my time at KQ there was anywhere from 12 to 20 sales people. There was a morning meeting on Mondays at 8:30 and by 9 they were out on the street.

Owner and President Dave Morris was clear: You sold or you were gone. No complaining about the format. No complaining about how hard it was to get agency buys. (Even though we often did). Advertisers advertised year-after-year because they got RESULTS. Those in sales who stayed around the longest knew the key to KQ's success - listener loyalty; time spent listening.

There were no infomercials. No automation. Air personalities 24/7. Network news at the top of the hour every day (including weekends). Traffic reports during drive times. They had their own in-house news/sports department who worked the drive times on weekdays. And for a long time, Paul Harvey. KQUE had EVERYTHING!!! There was no need to leave. You got news traffic weather, and the greatest variety in music on the dial. Other than that there was no talk on the show other than the DJ's. It was personality-driven radio.

During the week there was some big band (though not as much as you'd think there'd be on this kind of station). They has the largest rotation I've ever seen. By the time I left, over 3700 songs!!! Of those easily 1000 or more would be in regular rotation. Mostly vocals; Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Perry Como, Doris Day, Streisand, Manhattan Transfer, the Platters, Elvis, Dean Martin and later Linda Ronstadt (with Nelson Riddle) and EVEN later Harry Connick, Jr.

In 1996, KQUE was sold to radio group SFX for $42M and ceased to exist. It's changed owners a couple of times since and I believe, and is Spanish now. A couple of weak attempts have occurred over the years on low watt AM's to keep it going, but have failed to attract advertisers due in large part to poor coverage areas.

To do it right, you need an FM signal, strong enough to cover Dallas and Ft Worth. Air personalities that are creative and know the music - or at the least - aren't just reading liner cards. A PD who isn't afraid to create a 800+ playlist; who won't delete songs merely by virtue of the year it was recorded. News at the top of the hour, traffic when applicable.

AND a creative sales staff who will go out and agressively pursue advertisers, not just be order takers like a kid in a movie box office.

Could an Adult Standards station thrive in the DFW market? I don't know - No one does. It's NEVER been tried.
 
lomax said:
...if there is money to be made in an all big band or forties format..there's no stopping anyone from putting together a business plan and convincing a local owner that it would be a moneymaker.

I doubt that anyone would seriously consider an all big band or forties format. It could be fine in small doses or for a special show on weekends, but that's about it. That said, there is no shortage of really good music out there - a lot of which has been forgotten by most people. It is just waiting for them to rediscover it. A good song is still a good song.

It occurs to me that in the 50's and 60's (when a lot of baby boomers grew up) many of the really outstanding stations were called "MOR" (or "Middle of the Road for those not old enough to remember). They were well crafted institutions with a lot of listeners. As kids growing in that era, these were usually not our favorites, but our parents listened to them. Because we were held captive in the back seat of the family car, we heard and still remember the music, even if we haven't thought of it recently.

Fast forward forty years later, and those of us who preferred listening to Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, and even the Beatles, are a little burned out with a most of that music. We still like it, but how many times can you listen to "Stairway to Heaven?" A lot of this music has been over-played on the radio. I suspect that over-exposure is the reason that Oldies stations have fallen out of favor. You can only listen to the same 400 songs -even really good ones - for so long. Eventually you simply get bored. It might even partially explain the success of Talk Radio with the over 40 crowd. It's about all there is on the radio for them.

The 2000 census says the DFW area is 6.3 million people. That is probably low, since the data is ten years old. If someone came up with a format that resurrected a lot of this "missing music" and combined it with modern artists like Norah Jones, Michael Buble, Bette Midler, Diana Krall, etc, they might have something. If you got 1.5% of the available listeners, that would be huge. If you could get those kind of numbers and still couldn't sell it in a market the size of DFW, then you'd need to take a long hard look at your sales staff.

One of the keys to success is to make the station sound alert and alive, and not sound like it is dwelling in the past. A lot of older people have told me that they don't see an old wrinkled person in the mirror when they look. Instead, they tend to think of themselves the way they were when they were younger. As I grow older, I am beginning to understand that. Gravity isn't fair, so I tend to overlook its effects. This tendency to think of ourselves as being younger than we really are goes a long way to explain why people my age buy motorcycles, boats, collector cars, take trips, jump out of perfectly good airplanes, etc. A radio station that makes the listener think he is an "old fart." is not likely to succeed. A lot of Standards stations make that mistake.

I notice there is a new syndicated format called "Timeless Cool" that seems to have zeroed in on these things. I'm certainly not schilling for them, since I run my own station and by and large, I'm happy with the product. They aren't included in my plans, but I think it is interesting that they seem to have come to some of the same conclusions.

Will anybody try it in the DFW area? Probably not. The fact of the matter is most participants paid way too much for the stations to be interested in experimenting. Just servicing the debt is a major deal and taking the safe route makes good business sense, even if that means selling infomercials for colon cleansing. Still, I can't help but wonder if there's not someone out there who isn't happy with their stations performance and would venture into uncharted territory. They might strike gold. Or they might strike out. As Cary mentioned, nobody has actually tried it.
 
maybe its about time! ;D

Chuck I hear you on the playlist. Our show, Air Britannia, looked at the same thing as well. A brunch with the Beatles only works for a year then you start repeating. We added so many songs that were great but not heard over the pond. It made for a better rotation and a great history lesson behind what eveyone thinks they know.

So what rimshot is left to move or maybe Citadel might have a fire sale! :p

BTw, A "Brunch With The Monkees" show only last 30 days! lol

-BGH
 
Chuck said:
Just wondering, do you think it is better, worse or about the same?

I have been a KAAM listener since July of 1992. I listened through the loss of 1310 and the sale of 620. My perception is that the owners during the 620 era were seriously trying to make a go of it. KAAM 770, on the other hand, has never seemed quite right to me. I do think that the Christmas music played during the last two seasons was exceptional. Although that reminds me of one of the things that isn't quite right. Year before last, Herman Bockelman was doing his Christmas special and at the beginning of the second hour - in mid sentence, no less - the program was interrupted by the bleating brass of a school band signaling the beginning of a basketball game. What kind of quality radio is that?

Nonetheless, this change to hour long mid-day commercials is a real game changer for me. I'm simply not going to listen to one second of it. It is a shame to see KAAM circling the drain. I know that the Standards format is a tough one. I wouldn't listen all of the time if there were a station in the Oklahoma City area and very rarely listen on my XM satellite radio. KAAM serves as a change of pace and a pleasant diversion for the time that I spend in Dallas. When I return in April, we'll see how things have played out.
 
KAAM is truly the story of nothing less than an all american radio miracle...a few years ago I met a gentleman who used to be in the "Big Band Society"..he filled me in on this incredible story...$20 donations raised over $30,000 for the purchase of the 620 frequency ..other KAAM lovers with deeper pockets contributed the rest...and moved it from Wichita Falls to Dallas. During the 1310 years, albeit with a scratchy nightime signal in my neck of the woods..sw ft. worth, this amazing "Standards" station so endeared itself to DFW that listeners chipped in financially to keep the format alive. The 620 version was my favorite as its signal boomed all over dfw day and night...there was Hupcap playing the Oldies Sat. Night....the best Live/Local Big band Show I've had the pleasure to hear with jim Lowe and Charlie "The Collector"...Big Jim Brady doing PM Drive...Andy McCollum with News in the morning and the fun with jon McCoy and Tammy in the morning so when 620 went away...the format again..so endearing that another company saw fit to take it on and have been at it for the last ten years. During my bi weekly visits to Houston...no format of its kind...I wonder..in spite of its fm and many years and purportedly some influencial, persons of note, on board...no one formerly of Kque has been able to gather listeners, create a business plan or have the backing to make the pitch to one of the many frequencies in the area keep their "legend" alive....says even that much more about the Legacy and DFW's love of KAAM...never on fm, three different AM frequencies and still with us.
 
Back, for a moment, to the list of radio stations you can pick up in various zip codes.

The Star-Telegram prints a list of AM and FM stations almost every Sunday in the paper. These are stations that are, apparently, able to be heard in Fort Worth, or some parts of Fort Worth.

There are 79 stations on the list. 32 are AM stations and the remaining 47, are FM stations. The formats are also listed.

If you move to the Dallas side of the Metroplex, I could well imagine where there could also easily be that same amount, if not more, that would send a signal into parts of Dallas.
 
Jay Weaver said:
If you move to the Dallas side of the Metroplex, I could well imagine where there could also easily be that same amount, if not more, that would send a signal into parts of Dallas.

That's what I thought, too. After checking into it I found that the number of stations that put a "listenable" signal into Fort Worth and Dallas respectively is about the same, if you use the downtown area of each city as a reference point. What's surprising is that the number of stations doesn't change that much if you shift the reference point to the supposed geographic population center of D/FW. Of course, the count is purely subjective since the term "listenable" is open to debate. So here's the rough estimate:

Fort Worth: 71 stations (41 FM, 30 AM)
Dallas: 72 stations (42 FM, 30 AM)

FM translators are included in those numbers and for AM only the daytime signals are counted. The signal strength was computed with a cut-off point of 50dBu for FM's, which is very generous, considering city-grade is the 70dBu contour and the "service area" (or protected contour) is 60dBu. For AM the list includes stations down to 1.0mVm, which is again quite liberal since city-grade is 5mVm or more and anything less than 2.5mVm is definitely in the "fringe" area. Using a more realistic 60dBu signal level for FM and 2.5mVm for AM the list shrinks considerably:

Fort Worth: 58 stations (38 FM, 20 AM)
Dallas: 53 stations (29 FM, 24 AM)

Interesting, but as they say, YMMV.
 
I've been sitting back watching this discussion with some interest naturally. For the good folks who were so kind to remember me,thank you.The guy who got me into this radio stuff 46 years ago once told me, there are only two formats,personality intense or non personality intense.I think Chuck Conrad it the nail right on the head with the question of music mix which should never be confused with format.As to how to do that music mix there are as many ways as thre are people who can draw a hot clock. The history of adult standards has always been one of remakes and covers. Now to the question of can an adult standards format work? Cary Richards pointed out the story of KQUE in Houston a MOR station in the 1990's that was always in the top 10 if not the top 5 in Houston ratings. I think that answers the question.Now to niche stations. I've done more niche stations than anyone I know ,"undergrounds" in the mid 60's,jazz in the late 80's,adult standards in the 90's and progressive talk up until january of this year and I say given enough promotion,commentment,time and money any thing can be made to work.The big question is access. A few weeks before he died Michael Spears talked to me about the fact that in Dallas about 85 percent of the audience was listening to the f.m. band.Because most corporate radio types never question what could be, a.m. broadcasters have never sought some solution to the question of access such as a continuous dial like uhf tv pushed for in the 70's. Nor are they looking at what is happening in other countries as they go to a total digital band. These are some the questions to ask.Oh by the way wasn't Scotty Lomax Jaan McCoy's air name in Canada?
 
Jack,

I specifically, thought of you yesterday. As I was getting things ready to leave Dallas, I was listening to my iPod and one of the selections in the rotation was actually an off the air recording of you closing out your program on KAAM one Friday evening - teasing Bockelman and playing your closing theme song. Do you happen to remember what it is called and the artist?

You, Cary and Eddie Hubbard, God rest his soul, get two thumbs up from me.
 
crbigband said:
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Owner and President Dave Morris was clear: You sold or you were gone. No complaining about the format. No complaining about how hard it was to get agency buys. (Even though we often did). Advertisers advertised year-after-year because they got RESULTS. Those in sales who stayed around the longest knew the key to KQ's success - listener loyalty; time spent listening.
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In 1996, KQUE was sold to radio group SFX for $42M and ceased to exist. It's changed owners a couple of times since and I believe, and is Spanish now. A couple of weak attempts have occurred over the years on low watt AM's to keep it going, but have failed to attract advertisers due in large part to poor coverage areas.

KQUE was a neat station, but had the same problem all stations targeting people over 60 do: you can have far better revenue operating a station that has better 25-54 numbers. KQUE was sold to SFX, who immediately moved the KQUE calls to the former KNUZ 1230 and flipped 102.9 to modern AC KKPN "the Planet." People who spend $42M on a commercial radio station are interested in getting some return on investment. The ROI for a station with low numbers of younger listeners is a very long time.

KKPN was pretty successful despite its short life. Capstar announced it would buy SFX a year later. The common ownership of Capstar/SFX and Chancellor would be too much market concentration. The Justice Dept required some Houston assets to be sold and KKPN was forced off (it was sold since it was the weakest facility of the future cluster --- C1 downtown rather than a full C in the Missouri City tower farm). With the younger format and better revenues, the value of the station went up in one year from the when it was KQUE: KKPN sold for $54M.

Chancellor changed KKBQ 790 from a simulcast of KKBQ-FM 92.9 to standards KBME, which ran it for 6 years. So, it wasn't a low wattage AM that tried the format... Ultimately, Clear Channel decided being the 2nd sports station was better than being the only standards station in the market.

The format, like classical, easy listening, and now smooth jazz (which lost yet another outlet this week when KSSJ Sacramento dumped it for modern rock), has been shrinking in rated radio markets because of the demos. If it were a format that would be successful, there would be standards formats on the air in New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Houston, and other markets that no longer have a standards outlet.
 
Niche formats are hard. They can't be sold just by numbers and should only be done by either small operations or corporate radio when they have tried everything else and that has failed.Ken Jones is a prime example of the former.
 
For those that wanted to know my old closing theme was called IMAGE it was the music bed for the KEWB/KWFB jingle package and was released as a single on the Liberty lable some time in the early '60's.
 
I must respectfully disagree with txchipk's assertions. Here's why:

(1) Even though I had moved to Dallas about a year prior to the format change on 102.9 in Houston from KQUE to KKPN "The Planet", I heard that the station was sold because SFX couldn't adequately service the debt incurred due to the $42M they paid for it. SFX was facing financial challenges due to deals they made (like buying 102.9) and that's why Capstar was able to buy them. The FCC judgement regarding too many stations may have forced the sale, but (and I heard this, I don't have definitive first-hand knowledge/proof) they never produced the revenue hoped for despite the younger demo.

(2) Even with the younger format and alleged better revenues, the price paid for 102.9 a year later ($54M) had little to do KKPN's format and everything to do with the 100,000 watt FM frequency. Had Texas Coast Broadcasters (KQUE) waited another year or two, the frequency would have sold for more than $42. It's what the marketplace dictates - not what the format or revenue is on the frequency - unless the format was retained - which it wasn't.

(3) 790 KBME was a joke. First of all, all decisions made regarding programming emanated from Laura Morris and (740AM) KTRH the News/Sports/Talk powerhouse of Houston and was KBME "sister" station. They were the flagship station for airing all the Houston Astros. I know this because KBME's programming was interrupted for ball games ALL THE TIME. As well as anything else KTRH wanted to dump on it. The signal was never that great and disappeared from parts of Houston at night. Hardly comparable to a 100,000 watt FM that covered Houston/Galveston and played music 24/7.

I remember McCoy once said to me, "If KLUV ran an infomerical in the middle of their broadcast day, how long would it take for listeners to react in the negative?" Answer: Instantly.

I stand by my statement. A station playing standards needs:

(1) An FM signal with DFW coverage, day & night.
(2) Music 24/7. No sports, No infomercials
(3) Air personalities who don't read liner cards; fun, engaging, entertaining.
(4) An aggressive sales force who understands and appreciates the power & potential of the format.

Anything less than this is a compromise and the station operates at a disadvantage - KAAM proves my point - daily. Until an owner/operator in the DFW area is prepared to make this level of committment no one will ever know whether a standards format can succeed at this time in this market.
 
crbigband said:
I must respectfully disagree with txchipk's assertions. Here's why:

(1) Even though I had moved to Dallas about a year prior to the format change on 102.9 in Houston from KQUE to KKPN "The Planet", I heard that the station was sold because SFX couldn't adequately service the debt incurred due to the $42M they paid for it. SFX was facing financial challenges due to deals they made (like buying 102.9) and that's why Capstar was able to buy them. The FCC judgement regarding too many stations may have forced the sale, but (and I heard this, I don't have definitive first-hand knowledge/proof) they never produced the revenue hoped for despite the younger demo.

SFX didn't sell it; Capstar (renamed AMFM) sold it. The DOJ order requiring the sale:
http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/press_releases/1998/1619.htm
AMFM's annual report reporting they sold it:
http://www.secinfo.com/dsvrp.627h.htm

(2) Even with the younger format and alleged better revenues, the price paid for 102.9 a year later ($54M) had little to do KKPN's format and everything to do with the 100,000 watt FM frequency. Had Texas Coast Broadcasters (KQUE) waited another year or two, the frequency would have sold for more than $42. It's what the marketplace dictates - not what the format or revenue is on the frequency - unless the format was retained - which it wasn't.

If I recall that period in the 1990s, radio stations generally sold for 10-12x the cash flow. KKPN's 30% increase in value in one year had something to do with better numbers. Heftel, which wanted a FM signal, still had to pay for what any other competitor would have paid for it...regardless of its interest in putting on a regional Mexican format on FM that better covered Harris Co.

102.9 was sold because it was a minimal C (984' 100 kw) from a stick in downtown Houston. The other AMFM properties (eventually Clear Channel) at the time -- 92.9, 93.7, 94.5, 99.1, and 101.1 -- were superior 1920' 100 kw nearly maxed full C's in Missouri City. No different than when Clear Channel unloaded 94.5 here when it acquired AMFM here...no point in keeping a poorer facility when it had 5 other Cedar Hill full C's to keep (92.5, 97.1, 102.1, 102.9, 106.1).

A station playing standards needs:

(1) An FM signal with DFW coverage, day & night.
(2) Music 24/7. No sports, No infomercials
(3) Air personalities who don't read liner cards; fun, engaging, entertaining.
(4) An aggressive sales force who understands and appreciates the power & potential of the format.

Anything less than this is a compromise and the station operates at a disadvantage - KAAM proves my point - daily. Until an owner/operator in the DFW area is prepared to make this level of committment no one will ever know whether a standards format can succeed at this time in this market.

One can wish. As I said in my post, KQUE was an interesting station. However, people who operate businesses ... whether mom/pop shops or big companies ... want to make money, not lose money or barely breakeven. The audience is not attractive enough to generate the return on investment...a rather large investment from your list (big money on a full market FM signal; large number of employees)...for the current model of commercial radio. Big band, 50s oldies, etc. will likely reach a point where they only exist on non-comms, rural towns (where the population is older), or satellite radio (which can put on the formats without ads since it has revenue through subscriptions).
 
So going by txchipk reasoning there should only be 8 types stations on the air; a country,an urban,chr,a news talk, a sports talk an ac, a classic hits and an oldies.And broadcasters should only look to make money in those areas. When you go more than two or three deep in those types and every one of those are sucking up the money what would you do?Maybe we need to get past aged based demographics and look at life style concepts. Wait a minute in markets with or more signals even with clusters you may have to look at niches and train your people on how to sell around those aged based objections . Remember most of the guys in the Stones are well past their sell by date. Prehaps we would be better served with a system like the old BBC and have blocks . Give us your take on that one txchipk.Let's pretend;you find yourself in this situation you have just been hired to manage say 5kw am and even the markets for ethnic languages and religion have been taken. You have sales goal of $200k a month to hit,what's your game plan? What would you do,start what ifing and give us your idea.
 
jbishop said:
So going by txchipk reasoning there should only be 8 types stations on the air; a country,an urban,chr,a news talk, a sports talk an ac, a classic hits and an oldies.And broadcasters should only look to make money in those areas. When you go more than two or three deep in those types and every one of those are sucking up the money what would you do?Maybe we need to get past aged based demographics and look at life style concepts. Wait a minute in markets with or more signals even with clusters you may have to look at niches and train your people on how to sell around those aged based objections . Remember most of the guys in the Stones are well past their sell by date. Prehaps we would be better served with a system like the old BBC and have blocks . Give us your take on that one txchipk.Let's pretend;you find yourself in this situation you have just been hired to manage say 5kw am and even the markets for ethnic languages and religion have been taken. You have sales goal of $200k a month to hit,what's your game plan? What would you do,start what ifing and give us your idea.

Try re-reading the posts...I'm just pointing out the economic reasons why the format's numbers are dwindling across the country -- just as commercial classical and smooth jazz continues to disappear -- and that the odds someone is going to invest $50M-$60M to meet Carey's investment requirements for a format that won't bill well is low.

As for getting past aged-base demos: People 55+ tend to be on average much more brand loyal and more skeptical of ads. Therefore, it takes a lot more ad impressions to persuade them to switch brands. So, the ads to the under 55 crowd can be sold at premium relative to the over 55 crowd. As such, most broadcast radio and TV are going to focus and program largely to 18-49 and 25-54s...that's what the people who buy ad time on there want. Fortunately, there are alternatives (cable, satellite TV/radio) that have other revenue streams like subscriber fees that don't care about age.

As for having the FM dial with less niche formats and more stations in the same format...one could argue that radio was better 25 years ago when you had 2 AORs going head-to-head (KZEW, KTXQ), multiple CHRs taking on each other (KAFM, KTKS, KEGL), multiple ACs going head-to-head (KMGC, KVIL), etc.
 
jbishop said:
So going by txchipk reasoning there should only be 8 types stations on the air; a country,an urban,chr,a news talk, a sports talk an ac, a classic hits and an oldies.And broadcasters should only look to make money in those areas.
How about we let the market decide where people can make money, and let stations change formats based on whether someone thinsk they can make more money doing something else. Know the reason there's bucketfuls of talk stations in this market? Because WBAP is perenially a top biller. Want to know why there's 3 sports stations? because KTCK bills huge amounts.

KAAM can't make money doing what they're doing. It's either time for an owner to get rid of the PD. Or time for the PD to fire the failing morning show (that's recycling the same schtick from the 1310 KAAm days). But I doubt Jaan will fire John McCoy, so you're stuck with what you've got...
 
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