please shed some light

[DaleGriffin]

It just all seems so obvious and disingenuous. They literally come off as publicity arms
of the R.N.C. Talk radio is supposed to be about a variety of subjects and issues- these
are the exact same thing, hour after hour, day after day, and all pro-Republican, pro-Iraq
and anti-anybody-who's-not. Such a narrow-minded approach to talk radio.

Is it possible that you disagree and that may be why you don't get it? If you had a talk show would it be all your opinion and probably Pro-Democrat, anti-Iraq (just guessing) and then someone could say you were a shill. Talk show hosts need an opinion, the jist here is you don't like the political persuasion of the hot.

 

[DaleGriffin]

Not just opinion radio but clearly and obviously opinion that favors the current administration. Why hide or deny it? It's SOOOOO blatant.

You did not crack a code here, it is blatant. They agree with the administration.

 

[DaleGriffin]

Then why does Fox NEWS Channel not call themselves "Fox Conservative Channel"?
Several studies on their content have revealed at least 73% of their content is not
news but OPINION.

Can you please source this stat.

 

[DaleGriffin]

Why don't you take a moment and look through the posts on this site and see how that has been refuted again and again. The weak signals on which liberal formats have been stuck....
the program directors and managers who took liberal formats off the air in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Columbus and put on formats that drew LOWER ratings... The fact that Orlando has four conservative talkers even though ONLY TWO OF THEM get ratings at all... Quit repeating talking points. (Of course if everyone did that, there'd be no such thing as conservative media.) If you are going to pontificate and engage in punditry about liberal talk radio, at least know your subject and read something that doesn't come from sites with an obvious incentive to strangle the baby in its crib.

Read up on Atlanta, Cincinnati and Columbus... look at the Chicago station that outdraws WIND despite having a daytime only signal... look at the strong-signal liberal talkers that are doing well... THEN come back and debate. If you're going to quote garbage from Human Events, American Spectator and other non-radio sources that don't have a clue about the business... just forget it.

Anyone who actually programs or sells radio will tell you ratings do not matter revenue does. When revenue starts getting generated on a consistant scale stations will flip to progressive talk. There is a reason that some markets have 3 conservative talk stations and no liberal talk, liberal talk has not proven itself. Wait, let me stop you before you hit reply - How does it prove itself without the chance? I don't know but CC flipped a bunch of it's station to progressive talk in my opinion to give it a chance and shut up detractors and it did not draw well enough to justify more flips.

 

[DaleGriffin]

I don't doubt conservative talk radio drove the Illegal Immigration issue. But, we're
supposed to REFLECT public opinion, not form it, which the righty talkers clearly did
and I wholeheartedly believe they made it THE issue for a couple of weeks to take
attention off the major failure of a war in Iraq.

You do not understand talk radio and you are as politically blind as you claim they are. Talk radio is allowed to shape opinion it is an opinion based format, news however is not suppose to shape opinion.

Even Fox News' Rupert Murdoch has publicly stated that it was his goal to have Fox
News mold and form public opinion on Iraq, the 2006 midterms and all issues favorable
for the conservative movement.

Please source this.

 

[DaleGriffin]

Frankly, I think it's pretty disingenuous to so minimize this, as if it's a jock talking up
a song intro. When it comes down to it, this is a movement designed to push a political
agenda on a mass basis, especially when you see that there are dozens of national
conservative talk shows and just a few progressive shows, only to have the conservative
hosts bark "lib'rl media" hour after hour, day after day.

Again, you do not understand the format, it is not news it is opinion.

As radical Islam is hijacking the Muslim faith, this movement is attempting to hijack the
American political landscape. They are both radical movements.

If by hijack you mean allow people to tune in at their will and away at their will then yeah they hijack the airwaves.

 

[DaleGriffin]

So, why all the outrage when it is (as you purport) all biased to some degree? Sean Hannity
every night on Fox News and every day on his radio show rails against the "lib'ruhl media", yet
his brand of media is biased to the far right. Isn't this very hypocritical?

Hannity is not a news guy, like Dan Rather, he is an opinion oriented talk show host. Learn the difference.

 

[DaleGriffin]

Actually, I don't believe politics has that much to do with it. Broadcasting, like many industries has always suffered from a "follow the leader" mentality. Talk radio has always been a bastion (or maybe the better word is sanctuary) for conservative populism, but lately the format has become homoginized to the point where the current crop of talkers are mostly interchangable (not at all unlike what happened to the Post-Drake era AM Top Forty of the sixties).
One problem is that the folks who run the biz (and that includes the Wall Streeters who bankroll it) hold a very narrow, provincial notion of what "talk radio" is supposed to sound like.
In the long run, we in the broadcast biz have only ourselves to blame for this situation.

Success breeds copycats? Someone let Ford know this before someone steals his assembly line. Why is anyone to blame, if the host believes it and the audience wants it and the owner will pay for it in order to get a return on his investment where is the harm.

I gotta say I wish Air America would take off so this silliness would stop. You gotta understand once/if liberal talk succeeds it will grow. It has not been successful enough to get owners and programers to flock to it.

Wanna be liberal hosts with no stations here is my suggestion - Buy time on a conservative talker on the weekend, they will sell it to you, then sell time to the people that will buy liberal talk, ratings don't matter. Show it will work and grow it, that is how the real world works.

 

[rockroll0617]

It just all seems so obvious and disingenuous. They literally come off as publicity arms
of the R.N.C. Talk radio is supposed to be about a variety of subjects and issues- these
are the exact same thing, hour after hour, day after day, and all pro-Republican, pro-Iraq
and anti-anybody-who's-not. Such a narrow-minded approach to talk radio.

Is it possible that you disagree and that may be why you don't get it? If you had a talk show would it be all your opinion and probably Pro-Democrat, anti-Iraq (just guessing) and then someone could say you were a shill. Talk show hosts need an opinion, the jist here is you don't like the political persuasion of the hot.

Neither the Rush/Hannity/etc. crowd nor Air America is of much substance. Pushing a
radical agenda and bitching about the opposite ideology- which accomplishes........what?

 

[rockroll0617]

Not just opinion radio but clearly and obviously opinion that favors the current administration. Why hide or deny it? It's SOOOOO blatant.

You did not crack a code here, it is blatant. They agree with the administration.

Do you actually take in any of their shows? They not only 'agree' with the administration,
they push their agenda as if everything they talk about was pre-scripted (hey, now, there's
a concept LOL). Every day, IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ, lib'rals suck lib'rals suck lib'rals suck.

And they accuse Democrats of being 'angry'. What a freakin' joke.

 

[DaleGriffin]

One side gets ratings/revenue/success the other side is trying to get the same thing.

 

[rockroll0617]

Please source this.

Sure:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iqr6XlsJp4w
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6Wzz8NjWlc

 

[rockroll0617]

Hannity is not a news guy, like Dan Rather, he is an opinion oriented talk show host. Learn the difference.

He sure presents himself that way on Fox NEWS Channel.

 

[rockroll0617]

One side gets ratings/revenue/success the other side is trying to get the same thing.

With a straight face, are you trying to tell me political goals have nothing to do with
WHAT they do and how they do it?

 

[DaleGriffin]

One side gets ratings/revenue/success the other side is trying to get the same thing.

With a straight face, are you trying to tell me political goals have nothing to do with
WHAT they do and how they do it?

Are you even reading what is posted in this thread? YES politics are involved but if they weren't getting ratings/revenue/success they would not be on the air.

 

[raydofan]

What I took from that is that he lied in hope they'd win their elections.

Then you weren't listening closely. Rush was admitting that he was being selective in what he said because he wanted to achieve a certain outcome in the elections. Not that he lied, not that he said untrue things. But that there were some truths he kept to himself because he wanted to see the conservatives, as a group, win the election.

That is called 'lying by omission'.

 

[rockroll0617]

What I took from that is that he lied in hope they'd win their elections.

Then you weren't listening closely. Rush was admitting that he was being selective in what he said because he wanted to achieve a certain outcome in the elections. Not that he lied, not that he said untrue things. But that there were some truths he kept to himself because he wanted to see the conservatives, as a group, win the election.

That is called 'lying by omission'

Bravo. Ain't that the truth?

 

[dampier]

So, it's really all just b.s., just "show", for the sake of making money?

That depends on who you're talking about. To the actual talk hosts themselves, they're "true believers", and mean what they say. To the station managers who actually run the transmitters, it's a business.

I wouldn't make that assumption about talk show hosts being true believers. I've encountered more than a few that "play right wing talk radio" just because it's a job. There are plenty of these kind of folks on the local level whose political views and their intensity are blowing in the wind. I personally think Michael "Savage's" entire routine is an act - first he cashed in on the vitamin business then discovered he could make some quick cash playing blowhard on a show tailor-made for hot talk conservative formats.

Some smaller, more local talk show hosts, are not particularly well informed and simply recite talking points. A show host like that call screens heavily and is ready with the dump button when a caller corners them. Or there is always the time honored technique of ignoring the caller's topic and demand the caller answer some question a host comes up with, usually hollering over the caller demanding they answer their distract-o-question.

 

[Radio_Realist]

I wouldn't make that assumption about talk show hosts being true believers. I've encountered more than a few that "play right wing talk radio" just because it's a job.

I wouldn't dispute your statement, if you're talking about the lower tier of talk hosts. I do think that the Rush and Hannity are "true believers". My take on Savage is that his bombast is schtick, but he uses the schtick to support his true core beliefs.

Some smaller, more local talk show hosts, are not particularly well informed and simply recite talking points.
That's often the case in any field of endeavour when comparing those at the top of the pyramid with those at the bottom. If minor-leaguers were as good as the major-leaguers, then they'd be in the majors.

 

[rockroll0617]

Please source this.

Again: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ME8pt6njuq8 (Murdoch on shaping public opinion on the war in Iraq: "we tried").