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Poll: Who is winning the wars of Christmas Music on the radio in Buffalo? WJYE or Star?

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Poll: Who is winning the wars of Christmas Music on the radio in Buffalo? WJYE or Star?

Folks who stop by the store always discuss the topic. We were just wondering what you thought.
We have only one station on at a time for our customers.
And it's not JYE or TSS.
 
Re: Poll: Who is winning the wars of Christmas Music on the radio in Buffalo? WJYE or Star?

> Folks who stop by the store always discuss the topic. We
> were just wondering what you thought.
> We have only one station on at a time for our customers.
> And it's not JYE or TSS.
>
Merry Christmas. Happy Hannukah. Kool Kwanza.
...and Happy Festivus to the rest of us! LL
 
Re: Poll: Who is winning the wars of Christmas Music on the radio in Buffalo? WJYE or Star?

Who is winning the wars of Christmas music?

No one. There are no winners.
 
Re: Poll: Who is winning the wars of Christmas Music on the radio in Buffalo? WJYE or Star?

> Folks who stop by the store always discuss the topic. We
> were just wondering what you thought.
> We have only one station on at a time for our customers.
> And it's not JYE or TSS.
>
NONE of the local YMCA branches will have the christmas music stations on. they put WHTT on to stay away from it.
 
Re: Poll: Who is winning the wars of Christmas Music on the radio in Buffalo? WJYE or Star?

> Folks who stop by the store always discuss the topic. We
> were just wondering what you thought.

The winner is WHTT.

They'll throw you a Christmas classic every once in a while, but they're still the reliable classic hits voice they always are. And they're probably picking up a lot of the audience of 25-54s that are a little Christmas-weary right about now, on top of their sizable regular core in those demos.
 
Re: Poll: Who is winning the wars of Christmas Music on the radio in Buffalo? WJYE or Star?

> Who is winning the wars of Christmas music?
>
> No one. There are no winners.
>
Not true. There is yet another alternative. In truth, the BEST
Christmas music on the dial.

WECK. Specifically the "Music Of Your Life" network.

The good stuff you grew up with: Sinatra, Bing, Nat Cole, Steve &
Eydie, Jack Jones, Percy Faith, Ray Conniff, Bert Kaempfert, Peggy
Lee, Barbra Streisand.....I could go on and on.............

Yes, they do occasionally play a more contemporary Christmas song,
but at least it's not an all-out overdose of the Mariah Carey/Celine
Dion/Whitney Houston yuppie crap of the last 20 or so years that, at
least for me, borders on the unlistenable. Natalie Cole, even Harry
Connick, Jr., that I can handle.

Also, somewhat surprisingly, after doing all-Christmas over the
Thanksgiving weekend, the MOYL network cut back afterwards to very little
holiday music for awhile, then began increasing gradually to about a
50/50 split at the moment. Unlike JYE or STAR, I'm interested to see
if the MOYL network bucks the trend and actually plays some Christmas
music for a few days AFTER the 25th.

And doesn't hearing Frank/Bing/Perry Como, et al seem a lot more
natural on WECK than these FMs that won't play 'em again until next
Veteran's Day. Or will it be Halloween next year? Oops. Just gave
away Chille's game plan for 2006.................................
 
Who's Winning? Jury's Still Out.

> > Folks who stop by the store always discuss the topic. We
> > were just wondering what you thought.
>
> The winner is WHTT.
>
> They'll throw you a Christmas classic every once in a while,
> but they're still the reliable classic hits voice they
> always are. And they're probably picking up a lot of the
> audience of 25-54s that are a little Christmas-weary right
> about now, on top of their sizable regular core in those
> demos.
>

Well, if we all weren't so prejudiced against WBUF/Jack, we might say Jack may be deriving some benefit. Don't write off either Star or WJYE, even though they're going head-to-head and swinging hard.

But it seems Bob's contention is well-reasoned given what WHTT is doing with well-measured doses of Christmas music each hour and their ever-expanding playlist which now seems to include Don Henley, Tina Turner, the Little River Band, ELO, copious amounts of McCartney & Wings, Billy Joel and the Eagles. In other words, it sounds very 60s/70s/80s A-C. Complimented by their live and local personalities for most of the day and on weekends, the station is well-positioned to make some inroads on WJYE's turf.

The results from the last month of the Fall book should be very interesting, to say the least. We might know more sometime around the third week of January, according to Radio & Records' Arbitron schedule.
 
Re: Who's Winning? Jury's Still Out.

> But it seems Bob's contention is well-reasoned given what
> WHTT is doing with well-measured doses of Christmas music
> each hour and their ever-expanding playlist which now seems
> to include Don Henley, Tina Turner, the Little River Band,
> ELO, copious amounts of McCartney & Wings, Billy Joel and
> the Eagles. In other words, it sounds very 60s/70s/80s A-C.
> Complimented by their live and local personalities for most
> of the day and on weekends, the station is well-positioned
> to make some inroads on WJYE's turf.

I look at it this way...WHTT today, is playing a music mix a lot like the one you'd have heard on a leading AC station around 1980 to 1985 (a mix of contemporary tunes of the time, with gold from the prior 15-20 years). You don't have the heavy news and sports commitment we had then. But in every other way it's almost like going back in time and sampling WBEN from that era...the music, the personality (including the same morning guy WBEN had from the early 80s to the start of the new century), the whole feel of it. That particular iteration of WBEN was a consistent #1 so it's no surprise that WHTT, which captures a lot of the same sound and feel, does well today.
 
Re: Who's Winning? Jury's Still Out.

>
> I look at it this way...WHTT today, is playing a music mix a
> lot like the one you'd have heard on a leading AC station
> around 1980 to 1985 (a mix of contemporary tunes of the
> time, with gold from the prior 15-20 years). You don't have
> the heavy news and sports commitment we had then. But in
> every other way it's almost like going back in time and
> sampling WBEN from that era...the music, the personality
> (including the same morning guy WBEN had from the early 80s
> to the start of the new century), the whole feel of it. That
> particular iteration of WBEN was a consistent #1 so it's no
> surprise that WHTT, which captures a lot of the same sound
> and feel, does well today.
>

I believe it's even more similar to the Jay Meyers-programmed WBUF of the mid-80s. Gold-based A/C, appropriate live and local service elements, and solid but not overwhelming production and personality. It's interesting, because Joe Siragusa is not native to WNY, so I wonder if there is an explicit connection to the old WBUF, or it's just a coincidence (perhaps based on research that shows the continuing appeal of such an approach).

In its day, that flavor of WBUF was extremely successful in both ratings and revenue. As late as 1989, 92.9 was the "oldies" station on FM, with lots of 60s gold, even a Saturday night Oldies show hosted by Chris Whittingham. The emergence of (ironically) WHTT as an all-oldies station, plus the shift of WJYE from instrumentals to vocals, were the one-two punch that started WBUF on the downward spiral that continues today.

Standing alone, WHTT is a very good radio station, as improving numbers have shown. Long-term, though, I wonder about a strategy that seems pointed toward a head-to-head showdown with WJYE, which has always been well-positioned to make necessary adjustments based on the competitive landscape (just as WGRF is in Classic Rock). Plus STAR, while younger-skewing, also grabs a piece of the 25-54 female demo that WHTT clearly covets. A/C battles, whether two-way or three-way, can get ugly and expensive.
 
Re: Who's Winning? Jury's Still Out.

> >
> > I look at it this way...WHTT today, is playing a music mix
>> a lot like the one you'd have heard on a leading AC station
> > around 1980 to 1985 (a mix of contemporary tunes of the
> > time, with gold from the prior 15-20 years).

<font face="times new roman" size="3" color="330066">
Although I don't listen to WHTT as much as I might listen to 97 Rock, Star 102.5 when they're not saturated with Christmas music and Q-107, I would not totally disagree with the WBUF comparison. WHTT kind of sounds like a combination of late 70s-early 80s 'KB and WBUF, with a trace of Rock 102 and a smidg of WPhD and WHTT when it was a Classic Hits station 20 years ago. Good lord are we getting gray (and paunchy!)

This AC battle in Buffalo is going to be interesting in the next six months. Three blends of AC? Brings to mind the days when Buffalo had four P-1 CHRs: Rock 102, Kiss, WPHD and WNYS... and WKBW!</font>


> I believe it's even more similar to the Jay
> Meyers-programmed WBUF of the mid-80s. Gold-based A/C,
> appropriate live and local service elements, and solid but
> not overwhelming production and personality. It's
> interesting, because Joe Siragusa is not native to WNY, so I
> wonder if there is an explicit connection to the old WBUF,
> or it's just a coincidence (perhaps based on research that
> shows the continuing appeal of such an approach).

<font face="times new roman" size="3" color="330066">
Mentioning Bill Lacy from WBEN brings to mind the irony that Harv Moore was a major player on the Taylor & Moore fah-king morning show at WPHD and did afternoons briefly at WMJQ. Jim Pastrick was at Classic Hits and the first afternoon guy on Oldies 104 between stints at 97 Rock.

And who's on weekends? Brian J from WPHD and Tony Venturoli from 'GR cinqa cente. Remember those classic GR-55 jungles in Polish and Italian. There's your "local connection" of personalities. Tell me those guys haven't offered a few programming tips to Joe Siragusa.</font>

> In its day, that flavor of WBUF was extremely successful in
> both ratings and revenue. As late as 1989, 92.9 was the
> "oldies" station on FM, with lots of 60s gold, even a
> Saturday night Oldies show hosted by Chris Whittingham. The
> emergence of (ironically) WHTT as an all-oldies station,
> plus the shift of WJYE from instrumentals to vocals, were
> the one-two punch that started WBUF on the downward spiral
> that continues today.
>
> Standing alone, WHTT is a very good radio station, as
> improving numbers have shown. Long-term, though, I wonder
> about a strategy that seems pointed toward a head-to-head
> showdown with WJYE, which has always been well-positioned to
> make necessary adjustments based on the competitive
> landscape (just as WGRF is in Classic Rock). Plus STAR,
> while younger-skewing, also grabs a piece of the 25-54
> female demo that WHTT clearly covets. A/C battles, whether
> two-way or three-way, can get ugly and expensive.

<font face="times new roman" size="3" color="330066">
How will Star, WJYE and WHTT carve up the AC, 25-54 Women pie? Can't see a 32 year old woman listening to WHTT. She'd most likely gravitate to Star. The 40 year old woman would go to Star or WJYE and the 47 year old woman might prefer WHTT. Can three AC stations split that pie?</font>
 
Re: Who's Winning? Jury's Still Out.

> Although I don't listen to WHTT as much as I might listen to
> 97 Rock, Star 102.5 when they're not saturated with
> Christmas music and Q-107, I would not totally disagree with
> the WBUF comparison. WHTT kind of sounds like a combination
> of late 70s-early 80s 'KB and WBUF, with a trace of Rock 102
> and a smidg of WPhD and WHTT when it was a Classic Hits
> station 20 years ago. Good lord are we getting gray (and
> paunchy!)

I remember KB being a mess in the late 70s and early 80s. They weren't sure if they were supposed to be an A/C or a CHR, and then they put John Otto on at night.

Rock 102 was softer-sounding, with of course no personality (until they put Roger Christian in mornings), WPhD was usually harder-rockin', stuck between AOR and CHR. The most-remembered aspect of PhD was the Superset Weekend, where they played the same three songs from Boston and Foreigner over and over. But it worked...they took a big chunk out of 97Rock, and contributed to its original demise.

>
> Mentioning Bill Lacy from WBEN brings to mind the irony that
> Harv Moore was a major player on the Taylor & Moore fah-king
> morning show at WPHD and did afternoons briefly at WMJQ. Jim
> Pastrick was at Classic Hits and the first afternoon guy on
> Oldies 104 between stints at 97 Rock.
>
> And who's on weekends? Brian J from WPHD and Tony Venturoli
> from 'GR cinqa cente. Remember those classic GR-55 jungles
> in Polish and Italian. There's your "local connection" of
> personalities. Tell me those guys haven't offered a few
> programming tips to Joe Siragusa.

Shouldn't discount the GR55 connection. Into the mid-80s it was a MUCH better programmed station than KB. A more consistent mix of music and talk, a balance of Oldies (remember Golden Joe Galuski in middays?) and Soft Contemporary, with Bauerle moving in at night. I remember listening to (and later watching) Chuck Lakefield pull off virtuoso afternoon drive performances, day-after-day, juggling music, news & sports (Duke Dussias!), traffic, weather, and personality. Although KB gets credit for "hanging in there with music" on the AM band, 'GR did it just about as long, and in my humble opinion, much better. Too bad I was working at WGR-FM at the time. That station s**ked.

As an aside, I think The Laker may be the most underrated broadcaster to come through these parts. He was flat out hilarious at night on KB, upholding that tremendous tradition, the last great night jock. Then he was adaptable enough to fit his act into different situations at WBUF and WGR (and in Rochester, too), never sounding less than 100% prepared and on top of his game. IIRC, he was also involved on the the programming side during the 'GR period mentioned above (the late Larry Anderson, former 'GR PD, had come back as GM). While the same names get mentioned over and over on this forum, Chuck doesn't get any run at all...
 
Jury's Out But Due Back Monday

> I remember KB being a mess in the late 70s and early 80s.
> They weren't sure if they were supposed to be an A/C or a
> CHR, and then they put John Otto on at night.

KB was still competitive through about '82 and that's what I was refering to.
Chuck Lakefield was a good 'un, for sure. Nice guy, too. A mite "happy" on KB where he had to work in the shadows of Jack Armstrong, Shane, Banana Joe and Jim Quinn but good nonetheless, and he was strong on WGR and WBUF. What ever happened to Chuck? Last I heard he was back home in Wisconsin.

>
> Rock 102 was softer-sounding, with of course no personality
> (until they put Roger Christian in mornings),

Rock 102 put up some good numbers under the direction of Roger Christian who ran the best automation system in the country. They weren't as soft as you might think. I suspect they were heavily dayparted.

> WPhD was
> usually harder-rockin', stuck between AOR and CHR. The
> most-remembered aspect of PhD was the Superset Weekend,
> where they played the same three songs from Boston and
> Foreigner over and over. But it worked...they took a big
> chunk out of 97Rock, and contributed to its original demise.
>

Nobody took a bigger chunk out of 97 Rock that Taft Broadcasting when they pulled the plug in early '85. One of the best comebacks in radio was when Rich Products brought the format back in '89.

>
> Shouldn't discount the GR55 connection. Into the mid-80s it
> was a MUCH better programmed station than KB. A more
> consistent mix of music and talk, a balance of Oldies
> (remember Golden Joe Galuski in middays?) and Soft
> Contemporary, with Bauerle moving in at night.

WGR was at it's peak in the 70s and early 80s with Stan Roberts, Larry Anderson, Jerry Reo, Frank Benny, Shane, John Otto and Jim Scott and Tom Donahue doing all nights. Quite the line-up.


>
> As an aside, I think The Laker may be the most underrated
> broadcaster to come through these parts. IIRC, he was also involved
> on the the programming side during the 'GR period mentioned
> above (the late Larry Anderson, former 'GR PD, had come back
> as GM). While the same names get mentioned over and over on
> this forum, Chuck doesn't get any run at all...
>
The reason the same names get bandied about this board? Most of them are still active in the business and stayed here to work. As such, they're are fresh in posters' minds. People hear what they do and comment.

But if it's names you want, see how many of the following you can recall:

George Hamberger, Jerry Reo/Jim Bradley, Frank Benny, Shane, Jack Sheridan, Jack Mindy, Barney Love, Don Kobiela, Bob Mason, Jack Kelly/Sean Grabowski/John Sczepanek, Larry Vance.

Steve Mitchell, Tom Donahue, Dan Kelly, Tom Blender, Paul Oates, Tom Darro, Pat O'Riley, Bob Allen, Trevor Joe Lennon, Yola, Duane Donevant, Jim Santella, Jeff Lubik, Bobby Knight.

Dave Bacco, David Kahn, Joe Galuski, Mike Roszman, The Janitor, Garth Hemp, Bradley J. Kool, Tom Atkins, Jeff Huestis, Hal Martin, Dave Shafer, Tony Magoo, David R. Snow, Steve Kelly, Don Polec, Gary Byrd.

Nick Seneca, Rufus Coyote/Lee Poole, Jason Bojohn, Moontan Davis, Walt Nutzenbauer, Sal Paenessa, Fredie Patrick, Ken Kiedrowski, Roberta, Chet Kelley, Jon Summers, Tom Langmeyer, Dick Kemp.

Bob O'Brien, Scott Cleveland, Kelly Sinclair, Danny McBride, Johnny Williams, Ken Johnson, Paul Cannon, Bob MacRae, Tom Clay, Charley Seitz, Casey Piotrowski, Beverly, Larry White.

---

There are likely dozens more that graced the airwaves. It doesn't mean that they are held in any less esteem than the guys who get frequent mentions on this board.

Feel free to add more, comment about the names you recognize and how they might have contributed to what you know and love about Buffalo radio.
 
Re: The Laker

> As an aside, I think The Laker may be the most underrated
> broadcaster to come through these parts. IIRC, he was also
> involved on the the programming side during the 'GR period
> mentioned above (the late Larry Anderson, former 'GR PD, had
> come back as GM). While the same names get mentioned over and
> over on this forum, Chuck doesn't get any run at all...

Chuck was/is a good guy, and a good broadcaster. He had some very large shoes to fill, and did a commendable job.

Chuck is still in the biz. He's a 9AM to Noon guy in Duluth.
 
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