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Poor, overworked Purdy and Bigby just can't do everything themselves

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MikeShannon914

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/thingstodo/6804472.html

From the Houston Chronicle:

"Houston radio veteran Tim Collins, most recently of Clear Channel Houston, is moving to Dallas as executive producer for CBS Radio.

"Collins, who had worked in Houston for 22 years, will work under Brian Purdy, who oversees the company’s stations in Dallas and Houston, and alongside veteran programmer Tom Bigby. His duties will include working with the Cowboys radio network and with KRLD-FM, CBS’ new sports talk outlet, and news-talk KRLD-AM."

So I assume THIS is what they're doing with Brad Barton's former salary? The entire cluster needs live, quality talent, but they hire yet another overpaid cog-in-the-wheel. Maybe Collins will be the default fall guy when corporate looks at DFW management and can't decide who to lay off?
 
I do believe frazier Maxwell, Norm's producer from the KLIF days was (is?) over there in some sort of executive producer role. Maybe his salary is the one that's being given to this new guy.

Maybe somebody inside that station could tear themselves away from looking at the ratings (where they're still 20th or so in their demo) and tellus if Frazier's been let go, replaced, or supplemented. Maybe Frazier is producing one of the other shows...
 
You know...in the current industry environment...it probably isn't a good time to be blasting any local management team or person, especially if you have any interest in remaining in this industry....just sayin'...
 
Steve Eberhart said:
You know...in the current industry environment...it probably isn't a good time to be blasting any local management team or person, especially if you have any interest in remaining in this industry....just sayin'...

That's just it. Many on this board have no interest in remaining in the industry. To their credit, they've realized it doesn't fulfill the passion (nor their pocketbooks) like it used to and have ventured on...
 
If they truly had ventured onward, they wouldn't still be here proving they still haven't moved on. ;)

While I don't pretend to speak for Steve, I think the point is never burn a bridge that you may need to cross again someday. Some of those comments are better kept to yourself.
 
Paleeeeze, both you guys. If I didn't stand by my comments on here, I sure the hell wouldn't put my name next to them. I really don't care about anything to do with CBS or the people running it; same for Metro and a few others. When I see my friends falling victim to this new way of running radio, sure, I'm going to speak out. If you don't choose to do the same, and sit back and let the ax fall, with the only feeling in your heart being "Whew, I'm glad it wasn't me," then you don't see the situation very globally...and you should also make sure your "friends" know how you really feel. Self preservation is fine, protecting your "good name" is fine, whatever. It's your own choice what you do and say, and I just happen to not agree with playing scared.

When "this thing we call radio" is over soon, do you really think that guys like Purdy and whas-sis are on their way UP? My only chance to cross paths again might be in five years when I accidentally apply at one of the 7-11's one of them is running. Do you really think Purdy's flip-flopping of corporate allegiance (CBS, then Clear Channel, then back to CBS, IIRC) is going to earn him a network job? Does the DFW cluster REALLY have any true winners to flaunt to corporate?

For anyone desiring upward mobility, THAT'S the situation where one can safely say that "radio is dead." Steve, I won't completely rip into you here, but when's the last time you moved up? You had to go into ownership and consulting to "make your own break" (and I admire that.) ABCRN sure didn't hand you any favors, despite a stellar resume AND a well-remembered presence here in DFW. Ben? I assume yours is still a PT gig at KVIL...and I'd also assume that there's been no indication of any reason to think that it would ever be any more than that. And that's not a knock at you or Steve...it's reality. And it's no indicator of your abilities or talent.

And on the same page, even though I still hit the radio station websites in my job search, I know that whatever I might find, it'll be a step down, it'll be more work for less money, and there won't be an ounce of stability. I'll never forget working at CBS 7 years ago and seeing firsthand how everyone in the building was trying to fade into the wallpaper and not be noticed. Dave Siebert would walk down the hall and no one would acknowledge him...they'd just kind of cow down and rub against the farthest wall while walking, just to keep maximum distance. And I got the strangest looks from others when I'd engage Siebert in a conversation.

I don't work that way. If that's what the industry's degraded into, F-it.

BenB said:
If they truly had ventured onward, they wouldn't still be here proving they still haven't moved on. ;)
What's this jab about? I still have a radio show, and I still do it for free, for my own personal enjoyment and fulfillment, etc, seldom complaining about it, and basically just taking advantage of these last few years of terrestrial radio's existence to do something I've always wanted to do. And yes, I'll stay on this board until it dries up and I'll keep using my stupid little "viewpoint" to tell it like it is or how I see it, and if that means calling out evildoers and do-nothings and self-preservationist managers and others who are forcing radio more quickly into oblivion, so be it. I'll suffer the "consequences" while I'm off working in some other industry that actually has a future and appreciates hard work and rewards commeasurately.

There's really a simple credo that I tell any idiot that's even thinking of considering broadcasting as a career these days: Do it as a HOBBY. Do it PART-TIME. Don't bank your future on it. And, like I learned 6 months ago, don't ever think you're insulated or not expendable. There's been a LOT of great talent, certainly WAY more talented and seasoned than I'll ever be in radio, who's been unmercifully cut in the last few months and years...and I'm sure they're soured now as well on the industry they gave their lives to. I feel some level of obligation to speak out on their behalf.
 
Mike, I'm not looking for anything else or to move up. I'm exactly where I want to be. I think we were just trying to offer up a little advice, and I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you.
 
BenB said:
Mike, I'm not looking for anything else or to move up. I'm exactly where I want to be. I think we were just trying to offer up a little advice, and I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you.
And you're right, and I am sorry. I wasn't trying to make light of your job; I meant to say that, since you have a regular job, doing a PT radio gig on the side is probably the most it will ever be for you--that you couldn't risk your future on radio if a FT opening happened to come along. It was no reflection of your abilities or talent.

I do appreciate the advice, and realized later that I overreacted. Certainly not my style. ::) ha. Really, the whole radio industry thing is such a source of frustration for me...with me liking the idea of going back into radio, but knowing that there's no way I can possibly bank my future on such a position, no matter how "cherry" or perfect it may seem at the time. And at the same time, my unemployment's running out, I know more people who are UNemployed now than are employed, and, physically and emotionally, I'm in no mindset to start fresh at a new job. Anyone who's ever been unemployed for any length of time can tell you the biggest enemy of all is that erosion of self-confidence that happens the longer you're out of work.
 
Since you mentioned it.
Over the last ten years I actually have been offered several full time radio jobs. I have turned all of them down because of my desire to be a stay at home parent and continue my free lance opportunities. As for ABC (Citadell), I was offered the morning show a few years ago, turned it down, middays, turned it down, and most recently with the latest shakeup asked what I'd like to do...I chose to voicetrack and they've made room for me to do that. I have been asked numerous times to do traffic for a variety of high profile stations, turned it down. I could go on. My resume of 9 plus years at #1 KVIL as a "player" not a board op, 4 years at KLUV with #2 ratings when no one could beat KVIL, 5 years on the morning show at MIX...again, I could go on....My consulting, voiceover business and station ownership is going well...I've found a way to make it all work. I would suggest anyone wishing to stay in the business adapt, change, and find ways to promote the business vs. find ways to tear it down.
 
Mike, I really hate to see you apologize for your earlier comments. I understand an apology for apparently offending two gentlemen with whom you know and respect, but please don't offer an apology for your honesty and integrity. I understand your passion for radio- as I am blessed/cursed with the same passion. And if I ran a business, I'd hire you over any brown noser any day! Having been unemployed myself at some point, I could totally relate to your lack of self esteem right now, but hang on, Brother! I don't have the answer, but I'd love to see you find a business that will appreciate your strengths...and those are your integrity, your dedication, your passion and your logic (among others). You are just in a transitional phase right now and I have no doubt the answers and opportunities will come.
 
I'd also like to add that before one speaks about someone else, they might want to check to be sure they actually know what they are talking about.

There's nothing wrong with having a passion for great radio, there are a great many of us that do. Those who are finding ways to still do what they love have nothing to apologize for. Is it the same industry we all started in? Heck no. In many ways it is a lot better from a technical side. From a business side, yes things are different, and again, you either adapt and adjust to the changes or you choose to get out. Either way is fine, just decide, but don't run down the business that's left for those of us who've chosen to remain in it and find ways to make it work.

You have every right to dislike every thing about current radio as you see it, but you do not have the right to "slight" those who are still making it a career - and incidentally, making a pretty good living at it.

At some point you also might ask yourself if the reason you are not managing a major market radio station, programming a major market radio station or even employed at any level at any size radio station in America is because of what radio has done to you or what you have done to radio.
 
Steve, I haven't had the pleasure of ever meeting you, but I gather that Mike knows and likes you. You seem to be taking this topic far too personally. Mike does have a right to comment on whatever he feels- radio related- on this board. That's why we're all here. I am fortunate enough to still be making a living in this business but there is no denying that it has been hijacked by a bunch of crooks, who have no passion for this business nor seem to know what they are doing with it. Again, Mike has apologized for offending you. Having known him for years, I have no doubt that he meant it. Your "slights" about his "slights" have become silly, as I think you're both on the same page...however, you're blessed to still have work.
 
I am fortunate enough to still be making a living in this business but there is no denying that it has been hijacked by a bunch of crooks, who have no passion for this business nor seem to know what they are doing with it.

Well met, idiggraves. There's a difference between honest critiquing and "tearing down" a business.
 
Steve Eberhart said:
You know...in the current industry environment...it probably isn't a good time to be blasting any local management team or person, especially if you have any interest in remaining in this industry....just sayin'...

well put, I think the same exact thing.
 
You know...in the current industry environment...it probably isn't a good time to be blasting any local management team or person, especially if you have any interest in remaining in this industry....just sayin'...

I would just like to point out that it takes a monumental misunderstanding of Mike's situation to write something like this.

Do you really think Mike is unaware of the nature and personalities of the people he's calling out? Do you think he has never noticed how narrow, overly-sensitive and vindictive they are? You think he doesn't understand the concept of payback?

Really?

If it will help you sleep better at night, then let me assure you that he does. He considered your advice long before it was posted on this message board, and he rejected it.

What I don't understand is this. Steve, I bet you know many "players" more successful than yourself who hold the same opinions about the current state of radio as Mike. Do you try to intimidate or scare them into silence as well?
 
Was he trying to scare him, or just give him some friendly advice?

there wasn't a threat of 'stop saying bad things about mgmt or else", so it's not really a threat... I read it as much more of a 'hey, if you WANT to get back into radio, you may not want to project the image that you hate what radio is right now, hate all the local companies because they're money grubbing corporations that have run off good DJ's, etc etc.

Even if you BELIEVE that, you may not want to let everybody know that, as it could stop you from getting a job interview, or be hard to explain if you did get a job interview, etc.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
When "this thing we call radio" is over soon,
And if you really think radio is just going to disappear, you better think again. It may have to fight off competitors (XM, Ipods, Internet radio, etc) but Xm still can't make money, and the bigger internet radio gets, the more they'll have to figure out how to monetize it (ads!!!) and the more it'll seem like regular radio and not be as different.

As Steve pointed out, it's not going to be what it was, but radio is still going to be around.
 
Steve wrote:
in the current industry environment...it probably isn't a good time to be blasting any local management team or person, especially if you have any interest in remaining in this industry.

Steve's comment gives me pause, and makes me wonder what the correct response is when the person involved burned the bridge, blew up the foundation and shredded the blueprints.
I am very conscious of the idea that I may be perceived as bitter, but I am also thinking of anyone else who might consider throwing their lot in with some of the psychopaths that seem to be in positions of authority.

But then, since Mike is a white male over the age of 40, his chances of even getting a call-back, let alone an interview or a decent job offer are slim and none... and I think I see Slim headed out of town.
 
it's not really a threat... I read it as much more of a 'hey, if you WANT to get back into radio, you may not want to project the image that you hate what radio is right now, hate all the local companies because they're money grubbing corporations that have run off good DJ's, etc etc.

Like I already wrote, it's pretty safe to assume that Mike has considered this. All three of you -- Mike, Steve, and Little1 -- have been on this board for years. I check in a couple of times a week and I've seen Mike post similar opinions more times than I can count.

Telling him he might offend someone (gasp!), as if you're pointing him to a consequence he hasn't considered, doesn't really add anything. Tell us something we don't know.
 
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