According to All Access, Cumulus has made a merger offer to Citadel. So far, Citadel isn't interested, but if by chance they change their mind, I wonder what radio stations would a new "Citadel-Cumulus" be forced to spin off? Obviously, they would keep, KFFG-97.7, KFOG-104.5 & KSAN-107.7, but which of their AM stations would they spin off? KSFO-560? KTCT-1050? I think they would keep KNBR-680. Maybe KGO-810?
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Potential Cumulus-Citadel Merger. Impact on San Francisco stations?
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Madmansam said:
With four AMs and three FMs in market #4, why would they have to sell any of them? Indeed, they could buy KTRB without going over the limit.
Let the "KGO-FM" speculation begin. 104.5 & 97.7, just 104.5, or 107.7?
SFStatic said:
They are limited to 5 in any service, IIRC. I know the FM limit is 5, pretty sure the AM limit is the same, but of course, who other than groups like Multicultural, would want 5 AMs in a market?
(Multicultural has 5 AMs in the LA MSA, and one FM)
DavidEduardo said:SFStatic said:
They are limited to 5 in any service, IIRC. I know the FM limit is 5, pretty sure the AM limit is the same, but of course, who other than groups like Multicultural, would want 5 AMs in a market?
(Multicultural has 5 AMs in the LA MSA, and one FM)
I'm thinking now that KTRB (860 AM) will go to Multicultural, or to some sub-group made up of people involved with Multicultural locally, so don't put that station in the Citadel/Cumulus* basket yet.
Let's call it a hunch.
* - Citadelulus? Cumutadel?
You can 5 of either service (AM FM) with a total of 8 allowed.
So, they could have 5 FM's and 3 AM's.
So, they could have 5 FM's and 3 AM's.
Hmmm. Move KGO to 104.5 & 97.7 and KNBR to 107.7, move KSFO to 810, move KTCT's programming to 680 and have them sell 560 & 1050 to a group like Multicultural or some other brokered group. Of course, It will not happen. And deep inside, I really think that the proposed merger won't happen. Also, Isn't KFOG & KSAN (The Bone) doing pretty good in the ratings?Lkeller said:
Re: KTRB XTRA SPORTS 860 TO CC?
You mean KLSD/1360, which is using the "XTRA Sports" nickname that was synonymous with XETRA/690 Tijuana (now XEWW) for many years. Unlike KIIS-FM - which has the legal trademark for "KISS-FM" (thank onetime owner - and USA Today parent - Gannett for that) - the "XTRA" name wasn't trademarked.
Besides, CC has their own money troubles. Buying KTRB would be their dumbest move since subsidized the failed IBOC HD Radio standard.
Henry Ochs said:
You mean KLSD/1360, which is using the "XTRA Sports" nickname that was synonymous with XETRA/690 Tijuana (now XEWW) for many years. Unlike KIIS-FM - which has the legal trademark for "KISS-FM" (thank onetime owner - and USA Today parent - Gannett for that) - the "XTRA" name wasn't trademarked.
Besides, CC has their own money troubles. Buying KTRB would be their dumbest move since subsidized the failed IBOC HD Radio standard.
Madmansam said:
Moving to all FM for KNBR and KGO is not a good idea; the FMs or even the combo do not cover the full MSA but the AMs do.
KFOG is 5th in market billing, and is obviously not going to be changed... 2010 will likely end with KFOG ahead of KGO in billings.
KSAN is about 15th, and it's part in a meged company might be open to discussion. 1050 has limited billings and is a technical headache, so that's a different story.
Of course, this is counting the eggs before we buy the hen...
DavidEduardo said:
Basically, Jim Gabbert had acquired the old Turk Island dump in Hayward years ago and wanted to do something with it. He happened to own KOFY, then a 1kw daytimer on 3rd Street in San Mateo. He managed to build this horrendous 5-tower array where the antennas are offset in strange ways from each other. The antenna array doesn't work right and now the owner is applying for a 6-tower array for nighttime. And with all that, KPAY 1060 in Chico was bought and turned off in order to make 1050 feasible at night. What a mess.
landtuna said:
103.7 was a bunch of different things. Sometime in the early 70s, ABC changed the call letters to KSFX, and of course, they rounded to 104. I wasn't living here yet, but I remember the oval rainbow logo, so I assume it was the Bay Area version of Rock N' Stereo - like KLOS in LA, which was a highly formatted and hit intensive version of album rock. Later, it went mainstream Top 40 for awhile and even used the Musicradio slogan like WABC.
Over the decade it became soul-funk oriented - KSFX became very popular with the dance crowd, and I remember hearing the station blasting out of most of the saloons and stores in the Castro District. So it was natural to ride the disco craze, and it officially became "Disco 104." When disco died, KSFX became album rock again for awhile, then went back to KGO-FM in the early 80s for ABC's syndicated talk radio format out of New York and LA. The flagship of that format was WABC, which had finally given up Top 40.
As strong as KGO-AM was at the time, the FM talk format was a flop, so after a couple of years (mid 80s?), ABC sold the station to the company that ran KLOK 1170 AM out of San Jose, and it became KLOK-FM, with the ridiculous "Yes/No Radio" format. Supposedly, listeners could call in and vote 'yes' or 'no' on the various songs on the play list. It was basically lite-rock. I guess ABC wanted to make some quick cash off their low rated frequency, and assumed wrongly that the future was on the AM band.
In 1987 (the only actual year I remember because the Bay Area Radio Museum has an air check), that owner sold it to the company that turned 103.7 into Smooth Jazz KKSF. Some years later, Clear Channel hoovered it up along with other Bay Area stations, but kept the Smooth Jazz format until the recent switch back to classic rock as The Band.
Hope this wasn't Too Much Information, Landtuna...
For some reason, I always thought KABC-790 Los Angeles was the flagship of the "ABC TALKRADIO" network? I recall many of KABC talk shows on KGO-FM 103.7 San Francisco & KGNR-1320 Sacramento. And I thought WABC-770 New York was merely an affiliate of that network back then? I maybe wrong. I don't recall any of WABC's talk shows on both KGO-FM and KGNR.Lkeller said:
Madmansam said:
You could be right. I remember that they moved Owen Spann from KGO to New York for the morning show, so he was coming from WABC. Of the two other hosts I recall - Dr. Toni Grant was out of KABC. Ira Fistell - not sure. He had a very 'New Yawk' way about him, but I don't know where he was broadcasting from.
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Ira Fistell was at KABC for years.
Jerry Gordon KNUU Las vegas
Jerry Gordon KNUU Las vegas
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Regarding Own Spann....when I went to SF in '78 to work at Gene Autry's KSFO....Spann was doing a local show on KGO mid morning.
When I went to channel 7 in '84 they built a studio(the size of a closet) next to the TV newsroom for the new ABC radio network's Owen Spann show. He did it from there for awhile before being moved to NY.
How long the show lasted I don't recall.
Jerry Gordon KNUU Las Vegas
When I went to channel 7 in '84 they built a studio(the size of a closet) next to the TV newsroom for the new ABC radio network's Owen Spann show. He did it from there for awhile before being moved to NY.
How long the show lasted I don't recall.
Jerry Gordon KNUU Las Vegas
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