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Potomac Instruments 4100 digital-readout MW FIM

I recently became aware of this relatively new product, which appears to me to represent a significant advance in the technology of MW field-strength measurements. I looked over the data sheet at the Potomac Instruments Web site and nowhere did I see that Potomac claimed to have virtually eliminated sources of error, which I am aware are all too common in AM field-strength measurements. Yet, a gentleman I know, whom I respect highly and who has used one of these instruments, says that that is indeed what Potomac has accomplished. At first I was blown away, but further reflection made me wonder if some very significant possibilities for error don't still exist and can occur accidentally even if the operator has no intention of falsifying readings. I'm hoping that some of you who are experienced in AM field-strength measurements and FIMs can comment--even if you have not personally had the pleasure of using a 4100.

The 4100 has built-in GPS, so, at each measurement point, it takes readings of frequency, field strength, geographic coordinates, receiving-antenna azimuth with respect to the station being measured, date, and time, and places all of that data in its memory. The only thing the engineer who makes a series of measurements must do is take the instrument from place to place and listen to the audio to ensure that the correct station is being measured before committing the data to memory. Unless the engineer really wants to know the measured values, he doesn't even have to look at them.

It goes without saying (but I'll say it anyhow) that reradiation (and probably shielding) from nearby structures can
cause significant errors. (And the structures need not be cell towers or steel bridges; even the AC wiring in a nearby residence should be able to cause significant errors.)

And finally, there is the way the engineer holds the FIM. Isn't it true that the plane of the receiving loop antenna should lie along the radial being measured? In other words, shouldn't the plane of the FIM's antenna--if you could extend it--pass through the electrical center of the array being measured? Also, shouldn't the plane of the FIM's antenna be perpendicular to the earth? If you were to rotate the instrument 90 degrees in the vertical plane while keeping the horizontal axis of the loop parallel to the earth and pointed at the transmitting array's electrical center or, while holding the instrument vertical, if you were to rotate it 90 degrees in the horizontal plane, wouldn't it produce completely meaningless field-strength readings? And wouldn't there still be significant errors even if the rotation were a lot less than 90 degrees?

I believe that the 4100 has a built-in compass, but is that little device really sensitive enough to allow the operator to properly orient the built-in loop antenna with respect to the transmitting array being measured?

I await you thoughts and comments. Thanks.
 
I forgot to mention that the screen shot of the 4100's display at the Potomac Web site, does not display data from a real radio station. By my calculation, to produce an inverse-distance field of 22,264 mV/m @ 12.5 km from the array under test, not only would you need a perfect ground, you'd need a HIGHLY directional AM with half-wave towers and an antenna-input power of about 1.2 megawatts!
 
DanStrassberg said:
By my calculation, to produce an inverse-distance field of 22,264 mV/m @ 12.5 km from the array under test,...

Didn't the screenshot show 2,264 mV/m at 12.405 km? The way I figure it for a perfect ground that would would take an ERP of about 8.016 megawatts.

Maybe it was one of the high-power DAs in the middle east, measured on a salt-water path? Or maybe not.
 
R. Fry said:
Maybe it was one of the high-power DAs in the middle east, measured on a salt-water path? Or maybe not.

I should have checked the coordinates on the screen display, which are about 39 N, 77 W -- which is near Silver Spring, MD.

So I guess it is safe to conclude that the PI 4100 voltmeter display on their website does not show a real measurement.
 
R. Fry said:
Didn't the screenshot show 2,264 mV/m at 12.405 km? The way I figure it for a perfect ground that would would take an ERP of about 8.016 megawatts.

I must have typed "22," when I should have typed "2," but I believe my calculation was still fairly accurate. 2264 mV/m @12.5 km would work out to 28,300 mV/m @ 1km. A typical radiation efficiency for a 195-degree radiator is around 400 mV/m/kW @ 1 km, so 28,300 mV/m works out to about 5000 kW or 5 MW. With 1/4-wave towers, your 8 MW sounds like a good number.

The greatest inverse-distance field @ 1 km that I have noted at the radiation maximum of the standard pattern (NOTE: this is NOT the pattern RMS!) of any 50 kW US or Canadian AM is just about 8000 mV/m. These are approximate values for CHML (IIRC) and WWJ--at night. WWJ's high-power towers are almost half wave. Not sure about CHML. Anyhow, the 1.2 MW Imentioned into a high-gain array could produce the equivalent of 8 MW at the radiation maximum. No AM in the US or Canada is close to that. I don't think there is anything close in Mexico either. Not sure about the rest of the Western Hemisphere. There may well be a few MW stations that powerful in eastern Europe and the Middle East, though.
 
DanStrassberg said:
I must have typed "22," when I should have typed "2," but I believe my calculation was still fairly accurate. 2264 mV/m @12.5 km would work out to 28,300 mV/m @ 1km. A typical radiation efficiency for a 195-degree radiator is around 400 mV/m/kW @ 1 km, so 28,300 mV/m works out to about 5000 kW or 5 MW. With 1/4-wave towers, your 8 MW sounds like a good number.

I didn't bother to include the gain/efficiency of the antenna system for my 8.016 MW ERP calculation. That 8.016 MW is the ERP needed to produce a 2,264 mV/m groundwave field at a distance of 12.405 km over a perfect ground plane. It wouldn't matter what combination of antenna gain and TPO it took to produce that value of ERP.
 
R. Fry said:
I didn't bother to include the gain/efficiency of the antenna system for my 8.016 MW ERP calculation. That 8.016 MW is the ERP needed to produce a 2,264 mV/m groundwave field at a distance of 12.405 km over a perfect ground plane. It wouldn't matter what combination of antenna gain and TPO it took to produce that value of ERP.

I don't understand. Doesn't the conversion from inverse-distance field in mV/m at a specified distance (perfectly conductive ground is an unstated assumption implicit in use of the term inverse-distance field) to antenna-input power HAVE to assume a value of efficiency (whose units are usually mV/m/kW @ 1 km)? How can such a calculation have any meaning without a mention of efficiency (or effective antenna height, which implies efficiency)?
 
Looking back at the sources for the equations I used, that 8.016 megawatts is the power that needs to be applied to a 1/4-wave monopole (gain = 5.15 dBi) in order to develop a 2,264 mV/m inverse distance groundwave field at distance of 12.405 kilometers.

So I stand corrected, Dan - and thanks for pointing it out.
 
Dan:

I have compared a FIM 4100 to a FIM 41 in the field, although only briefly. No matter which meter is used, the normal precautions against scatter & re-radiation must be used (i.e. insuring that off-axis radiation is significantly down). A bad point with a FIM 41 will be bad with an FIM 4100, the laws of physics are not suspended. What makes the FIM 4100 desirable is that it relatively light, has a built in GPS, can store data to be downloaded later and is decades newer than most FIMs. This makes for faster single person measurements.

Even under the MoM rules, measurements must be made although not as often and not as many.

Bob Stroupe
 
The 4100’s compass works quite well for finding the array when it’s not visible.
You put in the local declination computed here http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp into the 4100’s setup. The compass heading back to the transmitter from the current GPS coordinates is displayed. Just point it with that heading and stay away from any large metallic structure (like you should anyway) to take a measurement.

Light weight.
Auto-calibration, manual if you need to.
Quick harmonic measurements (up to 5.1 MHz)
The one I have access to will tune down to 1 kHz and up to 9.999 MHz.
(Not usable for measurements outside of the .520 to 5.1 MHz.)

Playing with it one evening a few weeks ago CBR 1010 Calgary hit 5 mV/m.
 
boiseengineer said:
The 4100’s compass works quite well for finding the array when it’s not visible.
You put in the local declination computed here http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp into the 4100’s setup.

I did not notice in the 4100 data sheet any reference to using the 4100 to log onto the Internet via a wireless connection. Can you use it for that purpose? Or must you have a separate wireless device with you? If your wireless device is a smart phone, can you use it to access the NOAA local declination calculation page or do you need to have a laptop with you for that purpose?
 
It’s not a PC so it doesn’t have a browser. You can’t log onto the internet with it.
The USB connection allows you to save your measurements to a PC or laptop. You can set the declination before going out into the field.
The internal GPS doesn’t have mapping.
 
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