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aunti-terrestrial said:
I believe my first and second forays into this topic clearly state "nationality." And the fact is, your joke was intended to paint all Americans as inferior.

The bit has more to do with rality than inferiority. It points out that Americans have never felt the need to learn other languages. Now that we have a global economy, treaties like NAFTA, etc., we are at a disadvantage and the little joke ñpoints out whuy.

That's offensive. I used the word "anglo" as an observation that, increasingly in our own culture, we have to sit back and take it on the chin whenever anybody wants to take a jab at us.

I am Gaelic Irish by heritage, and don't consider myself Anglo... were I to be sensitive to the history of my family, I would take offense at being called by a name that identifies the peoples who let Ireland starve in 1848 and the nation that honored Kipling for writing about "the burden of the white man..."

Offensive stereotypes are offensive, no matter who utters them or how they justify them.

There is no stereotyping in saying that, as a nation, Americans have less training in foreign languages than Europeans, Latin Americans and most Asians. There are plenty of figures on High School and COllege level alnguage training. In South America, my oldest daughter had English from kindergarten... not as a subject, but as the language of half her classes. French started in third grade.

As for the languages, I think it's less uncommon than you obviously have yourself convinced.

When I briefly attended the U.S. Ambassadors monthly briefings of the American business ocmmunity in Ecuador in the 60's, I was the only Spanish speaker

In the 70's, NEC built nearly every TV staiton in Latin America... multi million dollar contracts, too. That was because the Japanese had fluent Spanish speaking sellers, technical support and Spanish manuals. No American company in the decade would reduce itself to speaking anything other than English.

There are plenty of Spanish songs that sing about the American tourist... but those would obviously offend you. Being offended by somehting one does not know is tantamount to trying to cover the sky with the palm of ones hand (old Spanish saying).

Coming from someone who has already stated that he only speaks one language with his daughters, I take your, uh, hope for my family in the spirit I'm sure you intended. That said, I'm out of this discussion. Carry on with your jokes.

I am most comfortable in Spanish with my daughters, since they all were raised in Hispanic homes in Latin America. They got lots of other languages in school, so they ended up bilingual... one is a full, 5-language polyglot in fact. I did not need to help them in English as my spelling and syntax and usage of that language is not as good as what they got in school.

Oh, one more thing, back to the topic: currently 34 states have designated English as their official languages. If I'm not mistaken, Texas currently has a bill pending in committee for the 82nd legislative session.

But such legislation is highly limited to certain affairs of government, not commerce, etc. Anything more stringent would not stand to a Constitutional challenge, as it would ammount to a limitation of freedom of speech.

And that is why broadcasters and publishers and webcasters can use any language they want.
 
Gee whiz, Dave, no reason to get so worked up. Would it make you happy if I agree with you? Yes, xenophobia exists in lots of different cultures, countries, and continents, and those who practice it use whatever logic they can to justify it. I merely expressed my disappointment that you felt you needed to wield it in this thread in order to make your point.
 
One of my 2008 goals is not to be trapped in another endless, droll thread with DavidEduardo.

May I offer you these words of wisdom for future postings:

"A man may imagine things that are false, but he can only understand things that are true, for if the things be false, the apprehension of them is not understanding.”
- Isaac Newton

“Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.”
– Sun Tzu

“The more efficient a force is, the more silent and the more subtle it is.”
- Mahatma Gandhi

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”
- Arthur Schopenhauer

Radio needs your love, imagination and passion. Do what is right. Support what is true.
 
InTIMadate said:
One of my 2008 goals is not to be trapped in another endless, droll thread with DavidEduardo.

May I offer you these words of wisdom for future postings:

"A man may imagine things that are false, but he can only understand things that are true, for if the things be false, the apprehension of them is not understanding.”
- Isaac Newton

“Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.”
– Sun Tzu

“The more efficient a force is, the more silent and the more subtle it is.”
- Mahatma Gandhi

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ”
- Arthur Schopenhauer

Radio needs your love, imagination and passion. Do what is right. Support what is true.
Way to stay on track of your goal. You just made the first mistake then, talking about David E. If you were truly avoiding him, then you would have not posted this. :D
 
Good advice, Tim. It is kinda cute, though. If we lined up all his strawmen and gave them jerseys, we could play some football.

By the way, the first time I read that joke was around September 15, 2001, when someone from the United Arab Emirates was talking about how America deserved to have our World Trade Centers bombed.

Let's just all make sure we're respectful of DavidE's sensitivites, though.
 
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