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PPM = stop trying...

I read a pretty good article from a PD... he feels most stations are giving in to the "Stop talking" philosophy to winning with PPM. He doesn't agree... Says, "The reason why people are punching out when you talk is because you're not entertaining!"

I AGREE!!! Here's a piece of the article.

"PPM has made a lot of radio stations terrified to do anything. "Don't talk for more than eight seconds. If you do, the listener will be trained to tune you out." Well guess what, you suck at entertaining. Just quit. If you think the solution to the PPM issue of mic flight is to simply stop talking, I'd like you to get out of the entertainment industry and move into analytics. It appears to me analytics dictate this whole thing, and last I checked, most of the great analysts in this country didn't get into radio. The C+ students did. You're an entertainer, not a pacifier."

Well said...
 
I totally agree. If any talk on a music station was a negative with the PPM, The Bert Show wouldn't be winning. That's just one example.
 
Listeners have been ingrained through decades of listening, that when a jock talks that a commercial break break is soon to follow, that is why listeners tune out. I have never heard Tim Rhodes voice and instinctively thought, "sh!t, here come the spots, I better change the station." (I do when I hear that no-talent Jordan Graye on B98.5.)
 
trhodes96 said:
I read a pretty good article from a PD... he feels most stations are giving in to the "Stop talking" philosophy to winning with PPM. He doesn't agree... Says, "The reason why people are punching out when you talk is because you're not entertaining!"

Maybe it would be different if there were PD's who could tell the difference between entertaining talk and boring talk. (Like that's ever gonna happen!)
 
Unfortunately, there is no simple answer to the question: What is entertaining? And what's entertaining for one person won't work for someone else. That's the problem with a diverse audience that has narrowcasted itself into small tribes that aren't big enough for advertising support. At least with music, you can quantify what works. But tell what you think is a funny joke, and you alienate half of your audience, with another 20% ready to file a lawsuit. The unemployement lines are filled with former DJs who thought they were entertainers.

Look at what's working in talk radio, and you'll understand what might work in music radio. The best talk show hosts are those who have built up a fan base through a unique style, and a certain level of credibility. That's what's missing with most on air talent. They don't live the lifestyle, they aren't in the lifegroup, and they work isolated in a studio with a fake name and don't interact with their listeners. They don't have a personal relationship with the music they play, or the people who listen. That's not going to work. No one cares what that person has to say. We all know the public doesn't trust the media. That's what a DJ represents. Unless you can separate yourself from the radio you're on, you are just another piece of spam in their inbox.

So now that you know what you have to do...how do you feel now?
 
Based on what I've seen presented by Arbitron, stations that listeners perceive as continuous music stations (or dayparts on a station like Q100) get hurt when jocks talk long. They get their best ratings during long music sweeps.

Shows perceived by their audience as personality as well as music, such as morning shows, do not get hurt because that's what listeners expect. Former Atlanta jock Mitch Elliot does afternoon drive on 105.1 The Buzz in Portland, OR along with a female co-host. The Daria & Mitch Show gets good ratings with a lot of talk as well as music; but the daypart is not perceived as a music-intensive daypart.
 
TheBigA said:
Unfortunately, there is no simple answer to the question: What is entertaining? And what's entertaining for one person won't work for someone else. That's the problem with a diverse audience that has narrowcasted itself into small tribes that aren't big enough for advertising support. At least with music, you can quantify what works. But tell what you think is a funny joke, and you alienate half of your audience, with another 20% ready to file a lawsuit. The unemployement lines are filled with former DJs who thought they were entertainers.

Look at what's working in talk radio, and you'll understand what might work in music radio. The best talk show hosts are those who have built up a fan base through a unique style, and a certain level of credibility. That's what's missing with most on air talent. They don't live the lifestyle, they aren't in the lifegroup, and they work isolated in a studio with a fake name and don't interact with their listeners. They don't have a personal relationship with the music they play, or the people who listen. That's not going to work. No one cares what that person has to say. We all know the public doesn't trust the media. That's what a DJ represents. Unless you can separate yourself from the radio you're on, you are just another piece of spam in their inbox.

So now that you know what you have to do...how do you feel now?

Back in the day, show business relied on people with an intuitive feel for the mood of the public. Some say that the early show business professionals knew what the public taste was, other say that they shaped the public taste. Regardless of the branch of show business, vaudeville, motion pictures, music recordings, radio, television, live theatre, or even circuses, the decisions were made by people who took risks on their own instincts, and whose careers rose and fell based on their track records. The old-time greats in show business, from E.F. Albee to Flo Ziegfeld, didn't use focus groups or scientific research to make decisions about whether or not a performer was entertaining or not. They relied on their own perceptions and instincts. In radio, there were people who used their own gut instincts to pick songs, and the ones who were good at it got promotions and raises, and the ones who weren't were fired and replaced.

Then the corporations took over, and instead of people making decisions, you had empty suits (often made of grey flannel) who had no minds or perceptions of their own, but who instead attempted to reduce the art of entertaining people to a numerical equation. Songs aren't picked based on their sound, as evaluated by someone who has proven they have the knack by virtue of their track record. They're picked by a computer program. It's like picking food for a restaurant by running a chemical analysis on the ingredients.

But that's not the only problem. There was a time when DJ's saw themselves as working in a branch of show business. They understood the synergy between working on the air in radio and doing stand up in a club, even if only occasionally. A DJ's first interest was in being entertaining. He learned what made people laugh by making people laugh in person. Then, when he was locked away in that little room, he had some foundation to rely on in knowing whether a bit would work or not.

For the most part, those days are also gone. Now, DJ's see themselves as "radio professionals". No longer is their ambition to break out of radio and move up to being a TV game show host, or maybe landing a role in a sitcom or becoming a good enough stand up comedian to make a living in night clubs. Now, the typical DJ's ambition is to become a PD so he doesn't have to pull an air shift, and can instead look at graphs and printouts to make decisions.

It's no wonder broadcast radio is going down the toilet.
 
Regarding play lists, I don't understand why more stations don't do music surveys. Let your listeners rate and pick the music they want to hear since they are the ones supporting the station. I know both Kiss 95.1 and 96.1 The Beat in Charlotte do that, and ever since they started doing the surveys, their play lists got way better. Star 94, Q100 and The Groove could really benefit by doing that.
 
Talk_Dude said:
Back in the day, show business relied on people with an intuitive feel for the mood of the public.

The key words are "back in the day." At that same time, this country was built around the idea of the melting pot. Not any more. So no one cares what worked back in the day. Back in the day Atlanta had 4 radio stations. Not any more. You had people making decisions with their gut because they didn't know better. Now everyone's an expert and a critic.

Radio isn't show business because show business isn't regulated by the government. Radio isn't show business because most entertainers sell their content to the public, rather than seek advertising. So radio has one group of people attracting the audience, and another mostly unrelated group selling that audience. Is that any way to handle show business?

Talk_Dude said:
Then the corporations took over, and instead of people making decisions, you had empty suits

I wasn't born yesterday. Entertainment has been run by corporations in this country for 100 years. The entertainment business (and it IS a business) isn't mom & pop. If it does well, it makes a lot of money, and is owned by corporations. The fact is that people still make decisions. Some wear suits. Don't prejudge someone because of their clothing. And yes, they use some science to make decisions. Why? Because science works. Art is a guess, science is exact. At the end of the day, whether you work for a corporation or your father, you have to answer to him when he asks why the numbers are down. Facts usually work better than looking at the sky and swirling your hand around.

Talk_Dude said:
For the most part, those days are also gone. Now, DJ's see themselves as "radio professionals".

Here's where you and I agree. When I got started in radio, my day gig was working in the biggest record store in town. Everyone knew I worked there, and I would answer their music questions. So at night, when I went to the station for my part time minimum wage radio job, I had credibility. That's why people listened. They'd come in the store the next day, and tell me about it. I was accessible. Now that was back in the day, and I know that doesn't happen much any more. But people STILL want someone with credibility. If you're on the radio, and you don't have established credibility in some way, no one cares what you have to say.
 
WSB is doomed they refuse to replace Hannity with local talent , i look fwd to major shakeup in the near future.
 
scott5 said:
WSB is doomed they refuse to replace Hannity with local talent , i look fwd to major shakeup in the near future.

The ratings don't agree with you as Hannity in the just released September PPM numbers in WSB's target demo of Adults 25-54, Hannity beat local talent Boortz and was only 1/10th of a share behind local talent Clark Howard (a statistical tie among all three actually).
 
Kabrich said:
scott5 said:
WSB is doomed they refuse to replace Hannity with local talent , i look fwd to major shakeup in the near future.

The ratings don't agree with you as Hannity as in the just released September PPM numbers in WSB's target demo of Adults 25-54, Hannity beat local talent Boortz and was only 1/10th of a share behind local talent Clark Howard (a statistical tie among all three actually).

Wow you got the breakdowns real fast, i assume you'r an insider, how would you explain the rating slide to 4.4 from their usual 7 or 8 share ?
 
mike7586 said:
Regarding play lists, I don't understand why more stations don't do music surveys. Let your listeners rate and pick the music they want to hear since they are the ones supporting the station. I know both Kiss 95.1 and 96.1 The Beat in Charlotte do that, and ever since they started doing the surveys, their play lists got way better. Star 94, Q100 and The Groove could really benefit by doing that.

There's a problem with such surveys. Too often you end up with an extremely untypical bunch of listeners who'll stuff the ballot box with their favorites.
 
It's not a music survey where the listener enters in the songs they want to hear. You have the listener sign up and you email them the surveys or you have a link on the website. The survey plays a song and the listener rates how much they like it and if they want to hear it played more or less. It is usually about 20-25 songs the station chooses. I don't see the problem with that?
 
mike7586 said:
It's not a music survey where the listener enters in the songs they want to hear. You have the listener sign up and you email them the surveys or you have a link on the website. The survey plays a song and the listener rates how much they like it and if they want to hear it played more or less. It is usually about 20-25 songs the station chooses. I don't see the problem with that?

Then you've never encountered a bunch of prankish teenagers. That's the kind of thing teenagers love to goof on. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to fill out an application to get picked for the review panel. Once they get picked, the joke is to see who can make the absolute lamest picks possible. To a 15 year old kid, that's a lot of fun.
 
The station's job isn't really to play songs anyone wants to hear. Their job is to deliver listeners to the advertisers.

If they are doing that, if they are hitting whatever number they have as a goal, it really doesn't matter if they are playing what the listeners say they want to hear or not. If they are listening, that's enough.

Only need to worry when they stop listening.
 
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