Why were some network stations allowed to preempt a network show with another network show, mostly during daytime? For example, in 1984 when ABC Family Feud was moved from noon ET to 11:30, some stations preempted Feud with Ryan's Hope. I remember some NBC stations aired Santa Barbara in the morning, which would preempt a couple of game shows.
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Preempting a network show with another network show
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harrisburgpatv
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I'm more of a game show fan than a soap fan, but I think it has to do with the fact that soaps are considered more important in the lineup. When that lineup change happened in October 1984 that you speak of, Ryan's Hope was moved from 12:30 to noon, which would cause it to be pre-empted on all of the stations that carried news or some other syndicated program. So RH could continue to be seen, some ABC stations showed it at 11:30 instead. I do believe many of those stations were pre-empting the noon Feud anyway, so that station's viewers probably didn't know the difference anyway.
WUSA Washington, DC, carried "Pyramid" after it moved to ABC
(WUSA is a CBS affiliate) and in the in-pattern time of 4 PM.
ABC affiliate WJLA, in turn, picked up the program WUSA pre-empted,
"Tattletales, although, IIRC, that show aired in the morning in DC.
WCSC Charleston, SC (CBS) stayed with "Edge Of Night" after the move
to ABC, and at ABC's time of 4 PM. The then-ABC affiliate, WCBD, turned
it down, and WCSC was apparently more than happy to be able to keep it.
That, too, affected "Tattletales."
Very briefly, when CBS moved "Secret Storm" back to 4 PM in a last-ditch
effort to save it in 1973, WBTW Florence, SC pushed it back to 4:30 and ran
"Love, American Style" reruns from ABC at 4. That didn't last long; when "Storm"
had its last show on February 8, 1974, WBTW was carrying it at 4, along with (in
the North Carolina edition of TV Guide) WFMY Greensboro and WNCT Greenville, NC.
(WUSA is a CBS affiliate) and in the in-pattern time of 4 PM.
ABC affiliate WJLA, in turn, picked up the program WUSA pre-empted,
"Tattletales, although, IIRC, that show aired in the morning in DC.
WCSC Charleston, SC (CBS) stayed with "Edge Of Night" after the move
to ABC, and at ABC's time of 4 PM. The then-ABC affiliate, WCBD, turned
it down, and WCSC was apparently more than happy to be able to keep it.
That, too, affected "Tattletales."
Very briefly, when CBS moved "Secret Storm" back to 4 PM in a last-ditch
effort to save it in 1973, WBTW Florence, SC pushed it back to 4:30 and ran
"Love, American Style" reruns from ABC at 4. That didn't last long; when "Storm"
had its last show on February 8, 1974, WBTW was carrying it at 4, along with (in
the North Carolina edition of TV Guide) WFMY Greensboro and WNCT Greenville, NC.
harrisburgpatv said:
I wouldn't want to be a staton manager getting phone calls and hate mail from rabid soap fans wanting to know "what happened to my stories(what Kentucky folks called soaps)?" My parents recall being in church prayer meetings where a sweet little old lady requested prayer for a soap opera character!
70 and 80s kid said:
Of course that was better than the soap opera villain who was quietly shopping at a New York department store when she was pushed up against a wall by a rabid fan of her program. :
harrisburgpatv said:
But when a station airs a soap on a day not intended for airing, it ruins the Friday suspense that most soapers employed to keep the interest active.
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harrisburgpatv
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70 and 80s kid said:
And that's exactly why the soap would win over my game shows.
Also, the term "stories" goes definitely past Kentucky...I've heard it used in PA too
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joeybabe25 said:
It sure does....Not to mention that on the first day this took effect, the Friday episode might be seen again (on Friday in pattern with the network, and then on Monday with the delay)...
BD Sullivan said:70 and 80s kid said:
Of course that was better than the soap opera villain who was quietly shopping at a New York department store when she was pushed up against a wall by a rabid fan of her program. :
The dad on The Wonder Years...drawing a blank on his name...said he once played a heel on a soap opera, and was once assaulted by a purse-swinging old lady. ;D
Dan Lauria, who was on "One Life to Live"cowboybud said:BD Sullivan said:70 and 80s kid said:
Of course that was better than the soap opera villain who was quietly shopping at a New York department store when she was pushed up against a wall by a rabid fan of her program. :
The dad on The Wonder Years...drawing a blank on his name...said he once played a heel on a soap opera, and was once assaulted by a purse-swinging old lady. ;D
cowboybud said:BD Sullivan said:70 and 80s kid said:
Of course that was better than the soap opera villain who was quietly shopping at a New York department store when she was pushed up against a wall by a rabid fan of her program. :
The dad on The Wonder Years...drawing a blank on his name...said he once played a heel on a soap opera, and was once assaulted by a purse-swinging old lady. ;D
The actor who played Edith Bunker's would-be rapist on an episode of All in the Family encountered some similar reactions in public shortly after that episode aired; I seem to recall reading that one woman even spit on him!
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The late afternoon time slot for Dark Shadows seemed to fluctuate a bit during its run. Was that ABC's doing or was it locally controlled?
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I don't know if another network show was shown in its place, but there's a story that the "Architects Of Fear" episode of The Outer Limits with Robert Culp was deemed so frightening back in 1963 that many ABC affiliates chose not to show it.
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I don't know if another network show was shown in its place, but there's a story that the "Architects Of Fear" episode of The Outer Limits with Robert Culp was deemed so frightening back in 1963 that many ABC affiliates chose not to show it.
"Dark Shadows" originally aired on ABC at 4 PM (June 27, 1966-
March 31, 1967), moved to 3:30 PM (April 3, 1967-July 12, 1968),
and back to 4 PM (July 15, 1968-April 2, 1971, as "One Life To Live"
took over the 3:30 slot on July 15, 1968). The moves were ABC's
call, not the affiliates'.
Re soap baddies being attacked in public places, I remember hearing
that Eileen Fulton used to have a bodyguard, such was the animosity
toward her character of Lisa on "As The World Turns" during that character's--
and the show's--peak years in the '60s and '70s. Lisa mellowed considerably
in the show's last decade or so. Somehow, I suspect Susan Lucci experienced
some of the same harassment.
March 31, 1967), moved to 3:30 PM (April 3, 1967-July 12, 1968),
and back to 4 PM (July 15, 1968-April 2, 1971, as "One Life To Live"
took over the 3:30 slot on July 15, 1968). The moves were ABC's
call, not the affiliates'.
Re soap baddies being attacked in public places, I remember hearing
that Eileen Fulton used to have a bodyguard, such was the animosity
toward her character of Lisa on "As The World Turns" during that character's--
and the show's--peak years in the '60s and '70s. Lisa mellowed considerably
in the show's last decade or so. Somehow, I suspect Susan Lucci experienced
some of the same harassment.
Stanislav said:cowboybud said:BD Sullivan said:70 and 80s kid said:
Of course that was better than the soap opera villain who was quietly shopping at a New York department store when she was pushed up against a wall by a rabid fan of her program. :
The dad on The Wonder Years...drawing a blank on his name...said he once played a heel on a soap opera, and was once assaulted by a purse-swinging old lady. ;D
The actor who played Edith Bunker's would-be rapist on an episode of All in the Family encountered some similar reactions in public shortly after that episode aired; I seem to recall reading that one woman even spit on him!
That guy said that when that episode of "All In The Family" was taped, it was the only time in his whole career that an audience booed him.
Another actor who's only tangentially related to television, Christopher Walken (who sometimes stood in for his brother Glenn, who played Mike Bauer as a child on "Guiding Light" in the early '50s), was asked in last Sunday's Parade magazine if he's really like the psychos he tends to play in the movies. He said no, that in his younger days he was a song-and-dance man (his wife once said that she was surprised to learn, when they were dating, that he was nothing like the characters he plays). Just goes to show that people do confuse the actor and the character, but some build such an image that people are shocked to learn just how nice they are in real life; Boris Karloff, Vincent Price, and Margaret Hamilton are three who come to mind. Price's daughter once said that he never minded being interrupted in restaurants and would sometimes talk to strangers for as long as 20 minutes. And Mel Blanc, who worked in the kitchen of the Hollywood Canteen during World War II, once described Edward G. Robinson as one of the gentlest souls he ever met; true, Robinson really talked as tough in real life as he did in the movies, but away from the camera his bulldog face softened and he was excellent company.
bpatrick said:Stanislav said:cowboybud said:BD Sullivan said:70 and 80s kid said:
Of course that was better than the soap opera villain who was quietly shopping at a New York department store when she was pushed up against a wall by a rabid fan of her program. :
The dad on The Wonder Years...drawing a blank on his name...said he once played a heel on a soap opera, and was once assaulted by a purse-swinging old lady. ;D
The actor who played Edith Bunker's would-be rapist on an episode of All in the Family encountered some similar reactions in public shortly after that episode aired; I seem to recall reading that one woman even spit on him!
That guy said that when that episode of "All In The Family" was taped, it was the only time in his whole career that an audience booed him.
Another actor who's only tangentially related to television, Christopher Walken (who sometimes stood in for his brother Glenn, who played Mike Bauer as a child on "Guiding Light" in the early '50s), was asked in last Sunday's Parade magazine if he's really like the psychos he tends to play in the movies. He said no, that in his younger days he was a song-and-dance man (his wife once said that she was surprised to learn, when they were dating, that he was nothing like the characters he plays). Just goes to show that people do confuse the actor and the character, but some build such an image that people are shocked to learn just how nice they are in real life; Boris Karloff, Vincent Price, and Margaret Hamilton are three who come to mind. Price's daughter once said that he never minded being interrupted in restaurants and would sometimes talk to strangers for as long as 20 minutes. And Mel Blanc, who worked in the kitchen of the Hollywood Canteen during World War II, once described Edward G. Robinson as one of the gentlest souls he ever met; true, Robinson really talked as tough in real life as he did in the movies, but away from the camera his bulldog face softened and he was excellent company.
A few others in this category might be Larry Linville, who was beloved by his co-stars on MASH, even though he played an insufferable idiot in Frank Burns, and Dan Blocker, who played big 'ol dumb cowboy Hoss on Bonanza, but in real life was highly educated and very vocal in his opposition to the Vietnam War.
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M*A*S*H I always found fascinating....Larry Linville, as you already mentioned, was the polar opposite of his character, but Gary Burghoff also was - unlike his character Radar, I've heard Gary was hard to deal with.....
Stanislav said:cowboybud said:BD Sullivan said:70 and 80s kid said:
Of course that was better than the soap opera villain who was quietly shopping at a New York department store when she was pushed up against a wall by a rabid fan of her program. :
The dad on The Wonder Years...drawing a blank on his name...said he once played a heel on a soap opera, and was once assaulted by a purse-swinging old lady. ;D
The actor who played Edith Bunker's would-be rapist on an episode of All in the Family encountered some similar reactions in public shortly after that episode aired; I seem to recall reading that one woman even spit on him!
Sadly, David Dukes (the actor) died of a heart attack at the age of 55 in 2000. His IMDB page notes that he received "numerous death threats" over his role.
BD Sullivan said:Stanislav said:cowboybud said:BD Sullivan said:70 and 80s kid said:
Of course that was better than the soap opera villain who was quietly shopping at a New York department store when she was pushed up against a wall by a rabid fan of her program. :
The dad on The Wonder Years...drawing a blank on his name...said he once played a heel on a soap opera, and was once assaulted by a purse-swinging old lady. ;D
The actor who played Edith Bunker's would-be rapist on an episode of All in the Family encountered some similar reactions in public shortly after that episode aired; I seem to recall reading that one woman even spit on him!
Sadly, David Dukes (the actor) died of a heart attack at the age of 55 in 2000. His IMDB page notes that he received "numerous death threats" over his role.
I don't know if it was "sweetened" by the producers, but I remember the LOUD cheers from the studio audience when Edith got away from him.
Add Katherine McGregor (Harriet Oleson on Little House) to those who were reportedly opposite of the characters they played. Many fans were pleasantly replied to receive personal replies to their fan letters they sent her.
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