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President Bush ... on the radio

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Did you listen to the president's State of the Union address ... on the radio?

Not TV ... radio.

In 1960, when then-Sen. John F. Kennedy and Vice President Richard Nixon had their first debate, the majority of people who listened to the debate on the radio thought Nixon won, partially because of his resonant voice.

However, as most everyone knows, Kennedy was considered the hands-down winner on television. Kennedy was calm and collected and looked directly into the camera.

Nixon was shifty eyed, and in fairness, was ill with the flu. He bruised his knee getting out of an automobile and was in pain.

In addition, Nixon refused to wear makeup. So he looked pale while, Kennedy who had spent time at the family compound in Florida, was tanned.

So, if you heard President Bush on radio, let me know your opinion.

President Roosevelt started the fireside chats. Jimmy Carter tried to emulate that more than 30 years later.

Of course, Ronald Reagan was fantastic on radio and television.

So, how do you rate President Bush, as Charles Osgood would say, "on the radio?"

Tony

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Tony Lyndell Williams</P>
 
His weekly radio addresses; stammering, broken,

... boring as all get out. The SOTU address was a little
more lively, but, at the time, I was a little more interested
in getting details on Cindy Sheehan (you know, the one that
met the dictator Hugo Chavez and had an arm-in-arm picture
taken with earlier in the week) being asked to leave on account
of her violation of decorum 'rules'.

There was also a Repub congress critter's wife who was asked
to leave, as the decorm rules for dress are quite strict and
apparently *no* messages of any type may be displayed or
exhibited.

Oh - I listened, or viewed, via that new-fangled invention best
described as "tele-vision".
 
Presidentialness and Historicalities

Quickly:

There are laws against demonstrating or protesting inside the capital building. Both women were in violation of those laws.

Now, back to the subject:

Tony actually brings up a valid point, but I'm not sure what relevance it might have. How many people actually listen to the radio for the SotU, when it is televised on 4 networks and 6 cable channels?

President George W. Bush is *not* going to be remembered as one of the great orators. Perhaps not even as a good one. But I think that during the Clinton Presidency, people learned that you can't always trust the guy that is the most charming. Of course, in 2000, our choice was between a wooden VP and a blathering good-ole-boy. Then in 2004, it was between a 20-some-odd year Senator who spoke clearly but not constistently and same said blathering good-ole-boy turned Leader-Through-Tragedy-And-Starter-Of-Wars.

Both times, it was the man with the lesser ability at public speaking that won. Also, contrary to past elections, both times it was the shorter man who won.

What does that say about us as a country? I think it says that we don't care so much about what they say anymore... it's what they do that we will measure.

That's just my opinion. I hope you enjoyed it.<P ID="signature">______________
"The only thing that sustains one through life is the consciousness of the immense inferiority of everybody else, and this is a feeling that I have always cultivated."
---Oscar Wilde</P>
 
Re: Presidentialness and Historicalities

> Quickly:
>
> There are laws against demonstrating or protesting inside
> the capital building. Both women were in violation of those
> laws.
>

House and/or Senate rules, also referred to as 'decorum' or
maintaining decorm (decorum rules; rules of decorum).

They aren't 'laws', written, codified rules in jurisprudence
in the usual sense of 'laws' on the books.


> Now, back to the subject:
>
> Tony actually brings up a valid point, but I'm not sure what
> relevance it might have. How many people actually listen to
> the radio for the SotU, when it is televised on 4 networks
> and 6 cable channels?

The sound has *not* usually been synchonized between radio and
'tele-vision' either, as I have noticed in past speeches and
addresses. I usually have a radio on, often in addition to the
'tele-vision' set, but didn't this time.


>
> President George W. Bush is *not* going to be remembered as
> one of the great orators. Perhaps not even as a good one.

I could not sit through a Reagan address either. Once elected,
they seem to lose a bit of their passion and drive.

> But I think that during the Clinton Presidency, people
> learned that you can't always trust the guy that is the most
> charming. Of course, in 2000, our choice was between a
> wooden VP and a blathering good-ole-boy. Then in 2004, it

Wasn't that election stolen by Bushco in Floriduh with the aid of
the butterfly ballots, hanging chads and the Supremes?

Oh, sorry, I was caught buying into moveon.org-level conspiracy
theory for a moment there ...

> wooden VP and a blathering good-ole-boy. Then in 2004, it
> was between a 20-some-odd year Senator who spoke clearly but
> not constistently and same said blathering good-ole-boy
> turned Leader-Through-Tragedy-And-Starter-Of-Wars.

Wasn't that election stolen by Bushco in Ohio with the aid of
pirated electronic Diebold machines and crowded polls?

Oh, sorry, I was caught buying into another moveon.org-level
conspiracy theory ...


>
> Both times, it was the man with the lesser ability at public
> speaking that won. Also, contrary to past elections, both

Yup.

> times it was the shorter man who won.


Yup.

>
> What does that say about us as a country? I think it says

We like underdogs?

> that we don't care so much about what they say anymore...
> it's what they do that we will measure.

Well, content and delivery *are* two separate and unequal items.

>
> That's just my opinion. I hope you enjoyed it.
>

Thanks, I did, kinda.

73's
 
Re: Presidentialness and Historicalities

> Quickly:
>
> There are laws against demonstrating or protesting inside
> the capital building. Both women were in violation of those
> laws.
Very quickly: It was admitted by the Capitol Police that NEITHER woman was in violation of the rules,only the cops over reacted and apologies were issued. We return you now to the discussion at hand already in progress.
 
Re: Presidentialness and Historicalities

> > Quickly:
> >
> > There are laws against demonstrating or protesting inside
> > the capital building. Both women were in violation of
> those
> > laws.
> Very quickly: It was admitted by the Capitol Police that
> NEITHER woman was in violation of the rules,only the cops
> over reacted and apologies were issued. We return you now to
> the discussion at hand already in progress.
>

And I thought that was a back-stabbingly low-blow of the first
order.

If my boss, who trained me in policy and procedure and the
laws we in that department were to enforce doublecrossed me -
- why I'd ... suck it in and capitulate and keep my job like
everyone else does.

Nice 'cover' though don't you think, placing the blame on the
guys out there on the 'line' doing the actual work?

I hope their boss responds 'apppropriately' during review time
and gives those guys a bonus ...
 
SOTU and radio addresses

As far as the State of the Union address, the law only requires a written notice to congress. Although Washington and others delivered the update in person, it really only caught on when politicians realized the value of the face (and voice) time afforded by the broadcast age.

One thing about hearing it on the radio - one can focus on what the speaker is saying, without all the reax shots from the joint session and gallery. Hard to imagine here I suppose, but there are many people around the world who actually read that speech. It's almost less a message to the American people than it is a telegraph to the rest of the world of administration intent. one thing that captivates me is how many times I've walked into a convenience store or gas station during the speech - and noticed a first-generation American or immigrant listening to or watching it on some tiny little radio or TV. The thought of a chief executive actually addressing his constituency in such a regular and public fashion is still not all that common in the rest of the world.

The same goes for the weekly radio address. Aside from older Americans in largely rural areas, few people tune it in as appointment listening. But it largely serves as something of a back-channel for delivering messages to the opposition party and other governments, establishing political benchmarks, and as a diplomatic tool. Plus, it gets the president's public agenda on the record. I've known folks in the last three administrations, and they'll tell you that while most Americans scarcely take notice of the weekly radio address, the same is not true in the world's capitols. As one of them told me, everything has a purpose or it doesn't happen.

And as for the t-shirts, the same relative thing happens all the time. I know of one instance in which Buchanan supporters showed up en masse at a GHW Bush rally, when the advance man had strongly assured the president's campaign team that such wouldn't happen. as told to me by his brother, that young advance man was called to the president's quarters aboard Air Force One, where Barbara gave him a nasty grilling. After a few minutes of letting his wife vent, GHW Bush simply told the young man "Well, you did the best you could. We'll get 'em next time".

Frankly, I wish more of the people around the president would react the same way. Of course, what they're trying to do is protect an image - which is in many ways ridiculous. The president (whomever he or she is) is a big person, and could probably handle a minor breach of decorum to his advantage. You don't see Tony Blair running for cover when the backbenchers start to heckle him, and the British parliamenthas been that way for generations. The best answer? John Major's response upon one such occasion. To a particularly strident opponent he said, "With all due respect, does the gentleman's interruption reflect a lack of manners, or the lack of a better idea?"

Jody

> > Quickly:
> >
> > There are laws against demonstrating or protesting inside
> > the capital building. Both women were in violation of
> those
> > laws.
> >
>
> House and/or Senate rules, also referred to as 'decorum' or
> maintaining decorm (decorum rules; rules of decorum).
>
> They aren't 'laws', written, codified rules in jurisprudence
>
> in the usual sense of 'laws' on the books.
>
>
> > Now, back to the subject:
> >
> > Tony actually brings up a valid point, but I'm not sure
> what
> > relevance it might have. How many people actually listen
> to
> > the radio for the SotU, when it is televised on 4 networks
>
> > and 6 cable channels?
>
> The sound has *not* usually been synchonized between radio
> and
> 'tele-vision' either, as I have noticed in past speeches and
>
> addresses. I usually have a radio on, often in addition to
> the
> 'tele-vision' set, but didn't this time.
>
>
> >
> > President George W. Bush is *not* going to be remembered
> as
> > one of the great orators. Perhaps not even as a good one.
>
>
> I could not sit through a Reagan address either. Once
> elected,
> they seem to lose a bit of their passion and drive.
>
> > But I think that during the Clinton Presidency, people
> > learned that you can't always trust the guy that is the
> most
> > charming. Of course, in 2000, our choice was between a
> > wooden VP and a blathering good-ole-boy. Then in 2004, it
>
>
> Wasn't that election stolen by Bushco in Floriduh with the
> aid of
> the butterfly ballots, hanging chads and the Supremes?
>
> Oh, sorry, I was caught buying into moveon.org-level
> conspiracy
> theory for a moment there ...
>
> > wooden VP and a blathering good-ole-boy. Then in 2004, it
>
> > was between a 20-some-odd year Senator who spoke clearly
> but
> > not constistently and same said blathering good-ole-boy
> > turned Leader-Through-Tragedy-And-Starter-Of-Wars.
>
> Wasn't that election stolen by Bushco in Ohio with the aid
> of
> pirated electronic Diebold machines and crowded polls?
>
> Oh, sorry, I was caught buying into another moveon.org-level
>
> conspiracy theory ...
>
>
> >
> > Both times, it was the man with the lesser ability at
> public
> > speaking that won. Also, contrary to past elections, both
>
>
> Yup.
>
> > times it was the shorter man who won.
>
>
> Yup.
>
> >
> > What does that say about us as a country? I think it says
>
>
> We like underdogs?
>
> > that we don't care so much about what they say anymore...
>
> > it's what they do that we will measure.
>
> Well, content and delivery *are* two separate and unequal
> items.
>
> >
> > That's just my opinion. I hope you enjoyed it.
> >
>
> Thanks, I did, kinda.
>
> 73's
>
 
Re: Presidentialness and Historicalities

> > > Quickly:
> > >
> > > There are laws against demonstrating or protesting
> inside
> > > the capital building. Both women were in violation of
> > those
> > > laws.
> > Very quickly: It was admitted by the Capitol Police that
> > NEITHER woman was in violation of the rules,only the cops
> > over reacted and apologies were issued. We return you now
> to
> > the discussion at hand already in progress.
> >
>
> And I thought that was a back-stabbingly low-blow of the
> first
> order.
>
> If my boss, who trained me in policy and procedure and the
> laws we in that department were to enforce doublecrossed me
> -
> - why I'd ... suck it in and capitulate and keep my job like
>
> everyone else does.
>
> Nice 'cover' though don't you think, placing the blame on
> the
> guys out there on the 'line' doing the actual work?
>
> I hope their boss responds 'apppropriately' during review
> time
> and gives those guys a bonus ...
>

Well Jim the cops over reacted ,plain and simple,Wwether you are a die hard supporter of Dubya or not. Neither woman did any screaming,etc,they simply wore a tshirt with no obscenities,no liquor ads,just their opinion in the people's house.
 
My last comment regarding the T-shirts

> Of course, what they're trying to
> do is protect an image - which is in many ways ridiculous.
> The president (whomever he or she is) is a big person, and
> could probably handle a minor breach of decorum to his
> advantage.

You have a good point, Jody. But every President back to Nixon (I think, my research on this is limited) has situations in which a person was removed from a speech or appearance for demonstrating. There were several incidents where people were removed from Clinton's speeches and impeachment proceedings for wearing T-shirts counter to President Clinton's positions.

It's just good marketing to make sure that you limit the impact of opposing views during your media time. I mean, Ford wouldn't have a press conference and allow people to sit in the front row wearing Dodge T-shirts.

'Tis the age of media politics.

Thank you. God bless you, and God bless the United States of Uh-merka...

;)<P ID="signature">______________
"The only thing that sustains one through life is the consciousness of the immense inferiority of everybody else, and this is a feeling that I have always cultivated."
---Oscar Wilde</P>
 
Re: My last comment regarding the T-shirts

> It's just good marketing to make sure that you limit the
> impact of opposing views during your media time. I mean,
> Ford wouldn't have a press conference and allow people to
> sit in the front row wearing Dodge T-shirts.

Why would Gerald Ford have cared about people where Dodge T-shirts?

Oh...never mind! (just joking)<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Tom Desmond on 02/06/06 03:42 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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