President's Televised Address

[davideduardo]

Like, on the day they certify the elections and try to seat the new House and/or Senate majority, he holds a "peaceful" rally and encourages people to "peacefully" march to the Capitol and "fight like hell" to stop the transfer of power?

You are severely misquoting.

What Trump said, per WaPo, is "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard".

There is no "fight like hell" in that statement.

In a totally different context and part of the speech, he said (again from WaPo) °If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

The actual context, in a separate part of the speech, was "And again, most people would stand there at 9 o'clock in the evening and say I want to thank you very much, and they go off to some other life. But I said something's wrong here, something is really wrong, can have happened. And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country."y

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial for whole speech, which has a very different context that what you assembled out of context.

 

[TheBigA]

You are severely misquoting.

People hear what they want to hear. The people that day heard what they wanted to hear. They acted based on what they wanted to hear. We watched it all on live TV. The president, who was still president at that time, did nothing. He was responsible for what happened because he did nothing. He had the power to prevent it, and he did nothing. What he said or didn't say doesn't matter. It's what he did. Which was nothing. At a time when people in his party were pleading with him to do something. That still hasn't been explained all these years later. I don't expect him to explain his behavior in tomorrow's speech either.

 

[Deus Ex Machiato]

You are severely misquoting.

I would counter that you're bending over backwards to make excuses. Staging a rally on that day of all days (when the perfunctory certification of the electoral votes was to be held) is an odd choice to start with, and as TheBigA correctly pointed out, his followers certainly took his words to mean "march down to the Capitol and stop what's about to happen." Over 1600 of them took it to mean "violently storm the Capitol building itself," and according to several accounts from inside the White House, he watched the violence play out for hours before telling his followers to stop. He told his followers over and over again that the election was "stolen," and enough of them believed that he wanted them to use whatever means necessary to "right" the "wrong" he told them had happened.

One woman was so amped up she charged at a police officer and died when he defended himself and his charge.

Furthermore, Trump has continued to insist for the past nearly 6 years - despite there being no credible evidence - that he did not in fact lose that election, has pardoned every single person who committed violence against the Capitol that day, and that last fact tells you everything you need to know...if you're taking in the full context. Why would he pardon people who violently stormed the Capitol if he intended them to remain "peaceful?"

Given that important context, and the reporting from multiple sources, it appears that the Thursday address will be him using the airwaves (plus cable, satellite, and streaming) to once again push the lie - and it IS a lie - that the 2020 election was somehow "stolen" from him. Will he attempt to shut down the looming mid-terms? Will he declare a couple key Senators as "illegitimate" (as the chatter seems to indicate) and demand they be removed from office? Will he poop his adult undergarments?

More importantly, which networks will call out his lies, which ones will dutifully report his words as gospel, and which will be squishy and characterize it as "controversial remarks" and go immediately to a "both sides" panel discussion?

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

Will he attempt to shut down the looming mid-terms?

Or perhaps amp up those same minions from January 6 and their ilk to create chaos at polling places coincidentally located in majority minority precincts.

Will he declare a couple key Senators as "illegitimate" (as the chatter seems to indicate) and demand they be removed from office?

This is a huge, gigantic problem if so.

Will he poop his adult undergarments?

Is this a day with a name ending in “y”? The , yes.

More importantly, which networks will call out his lies,

Maybe MSNow. And….thats it.

which ones will dutifully report his words as gospel,

Not hard to guess

and which will be squishy and characterize it as "controversial remarks" and go immediately to a "both sides" panel discussion?

Hello major broadcast networks.

 

[TheBigA]

One woman was so amped up she charged at a police officer and died when he defended himself and his charge.

To be clear, that woman and the others with her were in the building illegally. It was officially closed on that day. The reason it was closed was for the security of the Vice President. There were no "tourists" in the building that day because it was closed to tourists. Anyone inside was there illegally.

They expected a peaceful demonstration. That's what they were prepared for. There were barriers set up to keep the demonstrators outside the building. The demonstrators over-ran those barriers, climbed the walls, and broke into the building. There was no defense, because they had been told it was a peaceful demonstration. That didn't happen.

We're told the president plans to speak tonight about the 2020 election. He is personally involved in that issue. He is not an unbiased source. If the networks air this speech, they should be cited by the FCC's news distortion policy, because he will be lying to the people. He has a first amendment right to speak, but he doesn't have a right to use the people's airwaves to lie. The FCC needs to enforce its policy. It is not in the public interest to allow someone access to the airwaves in order to lie. All of this was covered during hearings yesterday in the senate.

As of now, the networks haven't confirmed whether or not they'll carry the speech. They're probably waiting to see a transcript.

 

[ted chittenden]

I would counter that you're bending over backwards to make excuses. Staging a rally on that day of all days (when the perfunctory certification of the electoral votes was to be held) is an odd choice to start with, and as TheBigA correctly pointed out, his followers certainly took his words to mean "march down to the Capitol and stop what's about to happen." Over 1600 of them took it to mean "violently storm the Capitol building itself," and according to several accounts from inside the White House, he watched the violence play out for hours before telling his followers to stop. He told his followers over and over again that the election was "stolen," and enough of them believed that he wanted them to use whatever means necessary to "right" the "wrong" he told them had happened.

One woman was so amped up she charged at a police officer and died when he defended himself and his charge.

Furthermore, Trump has continued to insist for the past nearly 6 years - despite there being no credible evidence - that he did not in fact lose that election, has pardoned every single person who committed violence against the Capitol that day, and that last fact tells you everything you need to know...if you're taking in the full context. Why would he pardon people who violently stormed the Capitol if he intended them to remain "peaceful?"

Given that important context, and the reporting from multiple sources, it appears that the Thursday address will be him using the airwaves (plus cable, satellite, and streaming) to once again push the lie - and it IS a lie - that the 2020 election was somehow "stolen" from him. Will he attempt to shut down the looming mid-terms? Will he declare a couple key Senators as "illegitimate" (as the chatter seems to indicate) and demand they be removed from office? Will he poop his adult undergarments?

More importantly, which networks will call out his lies, which ones will dutifully report his words as gospel, and which will be squishy and characterize it as "controversial remarks" and go immediately to a "both sides" panel discussion?

I very much agree with your analysis. In addition, from other news sources, I've been hearing that he is going to offer "proof" (it's manufactured, of course) that he won the 2020 election. All of that said, his main goal is to try to force the U.S. Senate to pass the so-called "Save" Act and gut the fillabuster rule if they have to to do it. I don't think he is going to get his wish on the bill, the fillabuster, or the removal of two senators, but he may get more support from people who do not follow the news as closely as folks on this Board do. (And now I'm very close to having this post deleted for politics.)

 

[TheBigA]

I've been hearing that he is going to offer "proof" (it's manufactured, of course) that he won the 2020 election.

TV Networks Humiliate Trump Over His Address to the Nation

It’s unclear if the White House has even asked the networks to air Trump’s forthcoming address.

www.thedailybeast.com

Major broadcast networks, including ABC News, CBS News, and NBC News, as well as cable networks such as Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC, have not responded to the Daily Beast’s repeated inquiries about their Thursday night programming.

The Thursday 9:00 p.m. time slot still shows regularly scheduled programs, not the president’s address.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

They're probably waiting to see a transcript.

Whatever, if any, “transcript” they receive is meaningless. He goes off on tangents, incapable of following an actual script as the dementia takes hold.

It also shouldn’t matter. The topic is a lie. Whatever he says will be a lie. No matter how many times he goes on a verbal vomit tirade, he lost the election.moreover, it was six years ago. There is no, zero, compelling public interest in platforming another of these ridiculous tantrums. It’s not relevant. It’s not news.

 

[TheBigA]

ABC News has posted this preview of tonight's speech. Nowhere in it do I see them say they will carry it live:

Trump to give primetime speech on 2020 election: Sources

Trump has long pushed debunked conspiracy theories to claim that his 2020 election loss was fraudulent.

abcnews.com

They also aren't saying they won't carry it.

 

[TheBigA]

Here is a preview of tonight's speech from CBS News. Once again, it doesn't say if it plans to carry it live.

Trump to allege Chinese meddling in U.S. elections in primetime speech, sources say

Part of President Trump's speech Thursday night is expected to touch on previously unreported alleged Chinese meddling in U.S. elections, according to sources familiar with the matter.

www.cbsnews.com

Obviously all of the news networks have streaming channels, and it's likely they will carry some of it there. But as of now, I haven't seen anyone say they will be pre-empting or delaying tonight's prime time entertainment to carry the speech.

 

[SomeRadioGuy]

ABC News has posted this preview of tonight's speech. Nowhere in it do I see them say they will carry it live:

Trump to give primetime speech on 2020 election: Sources

Trump has long pushed debunked conspiracy theories to claim that his 2020 election loss was fraudulent.

abcnews.com

They also aren't saying they won't carry it.

I have looked back in my KSKO emails and don't see anything that seems to mention they'll offer it on the breaking news channel.

(NPR has 2 satellite channels..... main and breaking news. That is so some news events which arent't super high priority can still be covered but no interrupt normal programming. Sometimes its on BNC, sometimes its on both, sometimes its only on BNC with no audio on the main channel.)

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

ABC News has posted this preview of tonight's speech. Nowhere in it do I see them say they will carry it live

They also aren't saying they won't carry it.

It’s Press Your Luck or the president. I’ll take the Whammy; at least they’re honest when stealing money.

 

[K.M. Richards]

As of now, the networks haven't confirmed whether or not they'll carry the speech. They're probably waiting to see a transcript.

Given the 🤡's modus operandi, his answer would be "I'm not going to give you anything in advance, but you have to carry my speech because ... I'm Trump."

And then he will probably ask Carr to revoke the licenses of every station in the country that didn't air his speech. Which is appearing to now be ... all of them.

Decades ago, I read a joke in Reader's Digest and -- even though I was very young at the time -- I somehow understood the seriousness of the underlying premise. I would like to share it with all of you. I cannot quote it verbatim after all this time, but I have the gist of it correct:

---
A tiny country was ruled by a dictatorship. It was so tiny, it had only a single television station, Channel One. And as you might expect, the subjects grew tired of not having a choice, so after a lot of dissension, the dictator finally authorized a second station ... Channel Two.

One night, the dictator scheduled a speech on Channel One and everyone was ordered to watch. When the time came, the speech went on for hours, and eventually one man had enough and switched to Channel Two. On that channel was a member of the state police, aiming his handgun at the camera, who said:

"Switch back to Channel One."
---

I think Trump and Carr read that same joke and now covet the idea of making it a reality.

 

[K.M. Richards]

I very much agree with your analysis. In addition, from other news sources, I've been hearing that he is going to offer "proof" (it's manufactured, of course) that he won the 2020 election. All of that said, his main goal is to try to force the U.S. Senate to pass the so-called "Save" Act and gut the fillabuster rule if they have to to do it. I don't think he is going to get his wish on the bill, the fillabuster, or the removal of two senators, but he may get more support from people who do not follow the news as closely as folks on this Board do. (And now I'm very close to having this post deleted for politics.)

Two things, Ted:

One, this is one of the few instances where Lance has to expect politics to be part of the discussion. After all, he is trying to control broadcast media in a way that is far beyond precedent. And so it is not off-topic to discuss how he tries to leverage what news coverage he still gets to promote his own agenda. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that tonight's speech is probably going to be more of his usual rhetoric.

Two, I know you use a screen reader and therefore don't have the advantage of a browser that highlights misspellings, but because you used the word twice I thought I would offer a helpful correction ... the word is spelled "filibuster" and we're probably going to be using it a lot in discussing the 🤡's agenda.

 

[TheBigA]

Listening to the white house press briefing, they didn't want to say anything specific about tonight's speech other than they encouraged everyone to carry it live. So apparently they still don't have confirmation from the networks yet about carriage of the speech. They said election integrity is part of the speech, but that he was also likely to cover Iran and the economy. She kept repeating that the press doesn't know what's in the speech. But at the same time, she wasn't going to help in that regard.

Asked for comment on the contents of the president's address, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said: "As usual, anonymous sources are speculating about what President Trump will say during his speech on Thursday evening. The truth is, nobody knows yet what President Trump will ultimately say, which is why everyone should tune in."

It seems to me it would be irresponsible for any broadcaster to give a live mic to anyone without an indication of what that person is going to say.

 

[kevtronics]

"The truth is, nobody knows yet what President Trump will ultimately say" means they know he'll deviate from any written script with long sections of rambling and "weaving" about whatever's on his mind.

They claim it'll be 20 to 25 minutes long... has Trump ever given a speech that short!? He's spent that long just talking about the curtains in the Oval Office.

 

[TheRob]

A couple recent White House primetime speeches have been recorded and played back so that they could fit into a neat window of time.

FOX (the network) is going to carry it. They just wait until the last minute to formulate a plan with the prime-time shows.

 

[TheBigA]

FOX (the network) is going to carry it. They just wait until the last minute to formulate a plan with the prime-time shows.

If you go to Fox.com. it's not organized around a linear schedule. It's all about shows, since it's all about on demand.

In the context of this speech, those who want to see it will be able to see it. That's all that really matters.

 

[Deus Ex Machiato]

A couple recent White House primetime speeches have been recorded and played back so that they could fit into a neat window of time.

And of course, to make sure the President keeps to the script and doesn't go off into a long, rambling rant.