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Prog-talk for Infinity stations?

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FloridaBear1776

Guest
Many of Infinity's AM traditional news-talkers seem challenged, particularly
those without Rush Limbaugh.

KRLD is the best example -- an utterly confused station.

KTSA in San Antonio isn't much better.

KDKA might face issues if WPGB continues to make inroads.

KMOX might have concerns when KTRS picks up the Cards next year.

Maybe not now, but in a year or so, would progressive talk make sense for any of these stations?

1090 in Seattle seems to be picking up listeners without any local staff whatsoever.

It would seem that after enjoying some varying degree of success on smaller signals with no promotion, the next step for the PT format is getting onto
signals with some heritage and companies with some bucks other than Clear Channel. Is it time yet for the lagging conservatalker in a given market to consider a switch?
 
> Many of Infinity's AM traditional news-talkers seem
> challenged, particularly
> those without Rush Limbaugh.
>
> KRLD is the best example -- an utterly confused station.
>
> KTSA in San Antonio isn't much better.
>
> KDKA might face issues if WPGB continues to make inroads.
>
> KMOX might have concerns when KTRS picks up the Cards next
> year.

These stations just don't fall off. They've survived a lot of competition. A share here, a share there. Note that stations like WBAP, KLIF, WPGB, etc. dip after elections. These are not bellweather stations like the heritage ones you mention dipping. Not that you aren't accurate in mentioning the issues these stations have (just listen - they're boring). However, it seems that part of the talk audience picked up by these newer stations is partially created out of thin air, and not necessarily stolen from the heritage.

> Maybe not now, but in a year or so, would progressive talk
> make sense for any of these stations?
>
> 1090 in Seattle seems to be picking up listeners without any
> local staff whatsoever.

KPTK is a good station, but their formula of running shows like Democracy Radio weekends isn't going to work most places.
 
> Many of Infinity's AM traditional news-talkers seem
> challenged, particularly
> those without Rush Limbaugh.
>
> KRLD is the best example -- an utterly confused station.
>
> KTSA in San Antonio isn't much better.
>
> KDKA might face issues if WPGB continues to make inroads.
>
> KMOX might have concerns when KTRS picks up the Cards next
> year.
>
> Maybe not now, but in a year or so, would progressive talk
> make sense for any of these stations?
>
> 1090 in Seattle seems to be picking up listeners without any
> local staff whatsoever.
>
> It would seem that after enjoying some varying degree of
> success on smaller signals with no promotion, the next step
> for the PT format is getting onto
> signals with some heritage and companies with some bucks
> other than Clear Channel. Is it time yet for the lagging
> conservatalker in a given market to consider a switch?
>


Not happening. These are heritage stations with entrenched local hosts (and some syndication). Plus, many Infinity N/T'ers are solid money makers.

If anything, they could still flip other smaller AM stations they own, like they did in Seattle and Fresno.<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
While the stations may seem challenged, and may well be boring, all four are doing especially well financially. According to 'Who Owns What', the four stations together are billing a total of almost $70MM/year. All four do exceptionally well compared to other stations in their respective markets. I'm not so certain I'd touch anything...
 
Re: AAR 1090 up, conservatives 570,770 down

> > 1090 in Seattle seems to be picking up listeners without
> any
> > local staff whatsoever.
>
> KPTK is a good station, but their formula of running shows
> like Democracy Radio weekends isn't going to work most
> places.

Interesting. Just looked at ratings for Seattle/Tacoma released today 11/28. For 12+ 6A-MID M-Sun, KPTK 1090 continues its growth. The two conservative outlets (KVI 570, KTTH 770) and heritage station newsradio 710 KIRO have all failed to rebound from record low ratings and remain virtually unchanged.

What's going on here? Are we looking at an analogy to the Portland scenario of 2004 where conservative station(s) dropped while AAR 620 KPOJ increased?
 
Re: AAR 1090 up, conservatives 570,770 down

> Interesting. Just looked at ratings for Seattle/Tacoma
> released today 11/28. For 12+ 6A-MID M-Sun, KPTK 1090
> continues its growth. The two conservative outlets (KVI
> 570, KTTH 770) and heritage station newsradio 710 KIRO have
> all failed to rebound from record low ratings and remain
> virtually unchanged.
>
> What's going on here? Are we looking at an analogy to the
> Portland scenario of 2004 where conservative station(s)
> dropped while AAR 620 KPOJ increased?

The changing ratings for lib/con talk could just be a barometer of the nation's changing political winds.
 
Re: AAR 1090 up, conservatives 570,770 down

> > Interesting. Just looked at ratings for Seattle/Tacoma
> > released today 11/28. For 12+ 6A-MID M-Sun, KPTK 1090
> > continues its growth. The two conservative outlets (KVI
> > 570, KTTH 770) and heritage station newsradio 710 KIRO
> have
> > all failed to rebound from record low ratings and remain
> > virtually unchanged.
> >
> > What's going on here? Are we looking at an analogy to the
>
> > Portland scenario of 2004 where conservative station(s)
> > dropped while AAR 620 KPOJ increased?
>
> The changing ratings for lib/con talk could just be a
> barometer of the nation's changing political winds.
>

Or it could be that Seattle/King County is large city...where most of the liberal vote came from. Its also on the west coast...who has tended to lean left statewide the past few elections. (King Co, WA 65-34 for Kerry last election). Wait a second...this just in...Portland/Multnomah County, Or is even more liberal! At 72-27 Kerry. If AAR is going to take off anywhere...its going to be here...or in most of the cities below...which is isn't.

For reference...in rough pecking order:
NYC Manhattan CO: 82-17 Kerry
Los Angeles: 63-36 Kerry
Chicago: 70-29 Kerry
Philly: 81-19 Kerry
San Fran: 83-15 Kerry
Dallas: 50-49 Bush
Houston: 55-45 Bush
Detriot: 69-30 Kerry
DC: 90-9 Kerry! (But DC voted a known crackhead back into the mayor's seat, and then into the city council...not a good barometer of the nation)
Atlanta: 59-40 Kerry
Boston: 78-21 Kerry
 
Re: AAR 1090 up, conservatives 570,770 down

This just in...

Most people in the New York market don't live in Manhattan.

Most people in the Portland market don't live in the city of Portland.

Clackamas County, the big suburban county just to the south of the city of Portland, went for Bush in '04.

And so on.

Radio signals don't stop at the political borders of cities. They continue on to the suburbs, where conservatives and Arbitron diaries abound.

> Wait a second...this just in...Portland/Multnomah
> County, Or is even more liberal! At 72-27 Kerry. If AAR is
> going to take off anywhere...its going to be here...or in
> most of the cities below...which is isn't.
>
> For reference...in rough pecking order:
> NYC Manhattan CO: 82-17 Kerry
> Los Angeles: 63-36 Kerry
> Chicago: 70-29 Kerry
> Philly: 81-19 Kerry
> San Fran: 83-15 Kerry
> Dallas: 50-49 Bush
> Houston: 55-45 Bush
> Detriot: 69-30 Kerry
> DC: 90-9 Kerry! (But DC voted a known crackhead back into
> the mayor's seat, and then into the city council...not a
> good barometer of the nation)
> Atlanta: 59-40 Kerry
> Boston: 78-21 Kerry
>
 
Re: AAR 1090 up, conservatives 570,770 down

> Most people in the New York market don't live in Manhattan.

This I know...but I didn't want to spout off all the 25ish counties in the NYC Metro. Manhattan CO has about 10% of the 12+. Brooklyn Co is where its at... with 2.5 million of the 15,332,000 12+ers, or 16%. Brooklyn went 75-24 Kerry.

> Most people in the Portland market don't live in the city of
> Portland.

Again, I'm aware of how metro areas are defined.

In 2001, Multnomah Co had 665,810 people. Or 34% of the metro.
Clackamas (which would stand for the Mass of Clacka?) has 338,391. 17%.

>
> Clackamas County, the big suburban county just to the south
> of the city of Portland, went for Bush in '04.

By 2,562 votes or 1.3 pecent.
 
Re: AAR 1090 up, conservatives 570,770 down

> > Most people in the New York market don't live in
> Manhattan.
>
> This I know...but I didn't want to spout off all the 25ish
> counties in the NYC Metro.

No, what you wanted to do was cherry-pick misleading statistics to try to prove a point.

> Manhattan CO has about 10% of
> the 12+. Brooklyn Co is where its at... with 2.5 million of
> the 15,332,000 12+ers, or 16%. Brooklyn went 75-24 Kerry.

Brooklyn is not a suburb. Three-quarters of the people in the New York area do not live in either Manhattan or Brooklyn, both of which are far more liberal than the area as a whole. By the way, there are no counties named "Manhattan" or "Brooklyn."
>
> > Most people in the Portland market don't live in the city
> of
> > Portland.
>
> Again, I'm aware of how metro areas are defined.

But you still cherry-pick statistics in order to paint a misleading picture of the political leanings of metro areas.
>
> In 2001, Multnomah Co had 665,810 people. Or 34% of the
> metro.

Right. Two-thirds of the people in the Portland metro do not live in liberal Multnomah County, which includes the city of Portland.

> Clackamas (which would stand for the Mass of Clacka?) has
> 338,391. 17%.
>
> >
> > Clackamas County, the big suburban county just to the
> south
> > of the city of Portland, went for Bush in '04.
>
> By 2,562 votes or 1.3 pecent.
>
 
Re: AAR 1090 up, conservatives 570,770 down

> But you still cherry-pick statistics in order to paint a
> misleading picture of the political leanings of metro areas.

You're right. I'm an arse and its a conspiracy. Cause we all know that all of Bush's and all of Kerry's votes were spread evenly thoughout the country last year. A nice homogenous blend of left and right, living in harmony with each other in all of the nation's lands. Holding hands and singing as neighboor stood aside neighbor casting ballots for different people.

The red states tend to fall in the South, the Great Plains, and the Intermountain West (where not so many live), with the blue states in the Northeast and Pacific Coast (where many people live). The Midwest is divided.


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

Go there and see if its difficult to find the urban centers of America. The core counties of most metro areas are where alot of the blue votes came from.

From that site "In this map, it appears that only a rather small area is taken up by true red counties, the rest being mostly shades of purple with patches of blue in the urban areas."
Reference the map.

AARs signals usually don't go much farther than the core counties, where the liberal voters are, where AAR's core demo's are...

And thanks for the schooling of the New York/Kings county debacle.
 
Fun With Numbers

> > But you still cherry-pick statistics in order to paint a
> > misleading picture of the political leanings of metro
> areas.
>
> You're right. I'm an arse and its a conspiracy. Cause we
> all know that all of Bush's and all of Kerry's votes were
> spread evenly thoughout the country last year. A nice
> homogenous blend of left and right, living in harmony with
> each other in all of the nation's lands. Holding hands and
> singing as neighboor stood aside neighbor casting ballots
> for different people.

I don't know if you're an "arse;" the thought of a "conspiracy" about this matter never occurred to me; and I certainly know that the votes were not spread "evenly." My point was that your citing central city voting results was completly misleading when referring to metro markets.


> AARs signals usually don't go much farther than the core
> counties, where the liberal voters are, where AAR's core
> demo's are...

Wrong. Many of AAR's affiliates are in the exurbs or worse, far from the central cities where most of the libs are. Look at Chicago, Boston, San Antonio, and other markets where the affiliates are rim-shots that can't be heard by most of the target audience.
>
> And thanks for the schooling of the New York/Kings county
> debacle.

Debacle? On your part?
 
Re: Fun With Numbers

> > > But you still cherry-pick statistics in order to paint a
>
> > > misleading picture of the political leanings of metro
> > areas.
> >
> > You're right. I'm an arse and its a conspiracy. Cause we
> > all know that all of Bush's and all of Kerry's votes were
> > spread evenly thoughout the country last year. A nice
> > homogenous blend of left and right, living in harmony with
>
> > each other in all of the nation's lands. Holding hands
> and
> > singing as neighboor stood aside neighbor casting ballots
> > for different people.
>
> I don't know if you're an "arse;" the thought of a
> "conspiracy" about this matter never occurred to me; and I
> certainly know that the votes were not spread "evenly." My
> point was that your citing central city voting results was
> completly misleading when referring to metro markets.
>
>
> > AARs signals usually don't go much farther than the core
> > counties, where the liberal voters are, where AAR's core
> > demo's are...
>
> Wrong. Many of AAR's affiliates are in the exurbs or worse,
> far from the central cities where most of the libs are.
> Look at Chicago, Boston, San Antonio, and other markets
> where the affiliates are rim-shots that can't be heard by
> most of the target audience.
>

Chicagos 850 is far from a rim shot. That station throws about 10,000 watts ERP right down the throat of the Loop. Boston has a CP for 50-kW. I cant speak to San Antonio, but isnt AAR on a pair of FMs???

It appears that YOU are cherry picking the stations to make your point. What about WCKY in Cincy? What about WINZ in Miami? What about KPTK in Seattle? What about KPOJ in Portland? What about KQKE in SF? WWTQ Memphis? KLSD in SD? KKZN in Denver? WJNO West Palm? WWAA in Atlanta? And so on. All of those stations (and more) are far from "exurbs" and are real decent signals!

This comment: "AAR isnt on any decent signals" just doesnt fly anymore.
 
Re: Fun With Numbers

>
> Chicagos 850 is far from a rim shot. That station throws
> about 10,000 watts ERP right down the throat of the Loop.

It's a classic example of a rim shot. WCPT is a 2500 watt daytimer in Crystal Lake, IL, 45.5 miles from Chicago. People in Chicago tell me they can't pick it up at all or only through static. And the station is now signing off before people get out of work.

> Boston has a CP for 50-kW.

Not that I know of, but for the moment, Boston is served by two rim-shots, neither of which put a decent signal into the central city.

I cant speak to San Antonio, but
> isnt AAR on a pair of FMs???

AAR lists one "San Antonio" affiliate, KTXX in Karnes City, which is 54 miles from San Antonio. KRPT, which is 34 miles from San Antonio, has switched to "Outlaw" music. It previously carried Jerry Springer, but no other AAR shows.
>
> It appears that YOU are cherry picking the stations to make
> your point. What about WCKY in Cincy? What about WINZ in
> Miami? What about KPTK in Seattle? What about KPOJ in
> Portland? What about KQKE in SF? WWTQ Memphis? KLSD in
> SD? KKZN in Denver? WJNO West Palm? WWAA in Atlanta? And so
> on. All of those stations (and more) are far from "exurbs"
> and are real decent signals!

Most of these stations have decent and/or improving ratings. KPOJ is the number one AM station in the Portland market. WJNO is the number one AM station in the West Palm market. KQKE has a lousy signal. WWAA is on 1690, a frequency that most people don't even know exists (if they have it on their radios at all).

> This comment: "AAR isnt on any decent signals" just doesnt
> fly anymore.

Who are you quoting? Not me. It's on a few decent signals and a lot of lousy ones.
> <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Scribbler on 12/01/05 12:13 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Fun With Numbers

> >
> > Chicagos 850 is far from a rim shot. That station throws
> > about 10,000 watts ERP right down the throat of the Loop.
>
>
> It's a classic example of a rim shot. WCPT is a 2500 watt
> daytimer in Crystal Lake, IL, 45.5 miles from Chicago.
> People in Chicago tell me they can't pick it up at all or
> only through static. And the station is now signing off
> before people get out of work.
>

It's tough for that stations to penetrate the concrete canyons of downtown Chicago. And the fact that it's a daytimer is a major impairment.

> > Boston has a CP for 50-kW.
>
> Not that I know of, but for the moment, Boston is served by
> two rim-shots, neither of which put a decent signal into the
> central city.

WXKS is in Boston, but it's not a very good signal. WKOX has the construction permit that will enable it to really crank, provided it's ever built. And that's the problem. For years, the intended city of license has adopted a NIMBY philosophy toward the new tower. They don't want the tower in the city limits. That's what's stopping them. Hence the WXKS simulcast to get into the city.

> I cant speak to San Antonio, but
> > isnt AAR on a pair of FMs???
>
> AAR lists one "San Antonio" affiliate, KTXX in Karnes City,
> which is 54 miles from San Antonio. KRPT, which is 34 miles
> from San Antonio, has switched to "Outlaw" music. It
> previously carried Jerry Springer, but no other AAR shows.

KRPT didn't put much of a signal into San Antonio proper. And AAR's AM affiliate has kind of the same problem.

> > It appears that YOU are cherry picking the stations to
> make
> > your point. What about WCKY in Cincy? What about WINZ in
>
> > Miami? What about KPTK in Seattle? What about KPOJ in
> > Portland? What about KQKE in SF? WWTQ Memphis? KLSD in
> > SD? KKZN in Denver? WJNO West Palm? WWAA in Atlanta? And
> so
> > on. All of those stations (and more) are far from
> "exurbs"
> > and are real decent signals!
>
> Most of these stations have decent and/or improving ratings.
> KPOJ is the number one AM station in the Portland market.
> WJNO is the number one AM station in the West Palm market.
> KQKE has a lousy signal. WWAA is on 1690, a frequency that
> most people don't even know exists (if they have it on their
> radios at all).

KPOJ is definitely a success. WJNO only airs Randi Rhodes' show, which it has for the last decade (it is successful). They also air stuff like Limbaugh. WINZ has also been doing well. WCKY has improved over it's previous oldies format (and with a better demographic to boot). I listen to this station occasionally and the on-air presentation is very good, though I'm nost so sure about the Scientology infomercial on Saturday nights). KKZN is doing well(and even shows up in ratings for Colorado Springs - for people who like static). KQKE has been climbing, but the Bay Area is a tough market.

As for WWTQ, I wonder if Entercom is even promoting this station. I mean, have you even seen their website?

http://www.680wwtq.com/

It looks terrible! A five-year old kid can do better with a GeoCities account! This tells me they aren't doing much with this station. I'm appalled that a company as large as Entercom would have anything to do with this travesty.

WWAA is a mom-and-pop operation. I wonder what they're doing to promote it. They don't even have a website for it. As far as I know, it started out as a rimshot, but recently moved closer to the city. And I'm thinking that it's location on the dial (1690) might be a problem, since I'm sure many people don't even know stations are situated that far down the dial. Remember, in order for people to listen, they have to know it's there. Too bad, since it's a decent signal. I've even picked it up here in Wisconsin (albeit with a lot of static).

> > This comment: "AAR isnt on any decent signals" just doesnt
>
> > fly anymore.
>
> Who are you quoting? Not me. It's on a few decent signals
> and a lot of lousy ones.
> >
>

Agreed. <P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Re: Fun With Numbers

> > > Boston has a CP for 50-kW.
> >
> > Not that I know of, but for the moment, Boston is served
> by
> > two rim-shots, neither of which put a decent signal into
> the
> > central city.
>
> WXKS is in Boston, but it's not a very good signal. WKOX
> has the construction permit that will enable it to really
> crank, provided it's ever built. And that's the problem.
> For years, the intended city of license has adopted a NIMBY
> philosophy toward the new tower. They don't want the tower
> in the city limits. That's what's stopping them. Hence the
> WXKS simulcast to get into the city.
>

The town of Newton has approved and WKOX is planning on starting construction, at least according to what I have read on the Boston Board. If I understand correctly, it won't be as good as a "true" clear channel but should be a vast improvement, especially at night. Strangely, Radio-Locator has dropped the info on the CP so I can't quote any numbers.
 
Re: Fun With Numbers

> > WXKS is in Boston, but it's not a very good signal.

Don't think so. Last I heard, it was in Medford and WKOX was in Framingham, some 20 miles from Boston.

> > WKOX
> > has the construction permit that will enable it to really
> > crank, provided it's ever built. And that's the problem.
>
> > For years, the intended city of license has adopted a
> NIMBY
> > philosophy toward the new tower. They don't want the
> tower
> > in the city limits. That's what's stopping them. Hence
> the
> > WXKS simulcas to get into the city.
> >
>
> The town of Newton has approved and WKOX is planning on
> starting construction, at least according to what I have
> read on the Boston Board. If I understand correctly, it
> won't be as good as a "true" clear channel but should be a
> vast improvement, especially at night. Strangely,
> Radio-Locator has dropped the info on the CP so I can't
> quote any numbers.
>
Radio-Locator is a questionable source in any case. Note its language to the effect that its information is for "entertainment" only. If you believed its map you'd think that a little daytimer out in cow country was pumping a listenable signal into downtown Chicago. That's hardly the case.
 
1090 Covers "At Least 10 counties plus Canada and Eastern Washington

> Or it could be that Seattle/King County is large
> city...where most of the liberal vote came from. Its also
> on the west coast...who has tended to lean left statewide
> the past few elections. (King Co, WA 65-34 for Kerry last
> election).


Thanks for the Presidential statistics. From personal experience and word of mouth, for daytime operations KPTK 1090 Seattle 50kWd/50kWn directional-two patterns covers at least these ten counties:

King
Pierce
Thurston
Snohomish
Skagit
Island
San Juan
Whatcom
Mason
Lewis

1090 also reaches:

Vancouver, BC, Canada
parts of eastern washington including Ellensburg (the Wildcats at CWU!) and Yakima

And certainly other areas I left out. What I have listed is only from personal listening and word of mouth. 1090 might cover the coastal counties Clallam, Jefferson, Grays Harbor, Pacific, and Wahkiaku - I have no data on this.
 
Re: Fun With Numbers

> > > WXKS is in Boston, but it's not a very good signal.
>
> Don't think so. Last I heard, it was in Medford and WKOX
> was in Framingham, some 20 miles from Boston.
>
> > > WKOX
> > > has the construction permit that will enable it to
> really
> > > crank, provided it's ever built. And that's the
> problem.
> >
> > > For years, the intended city of license has adopted a
> > NIMBY
> > > philosophy toward the new tower. They don't want the
> > tower
> > > in the city limits. That's what's stopping them. Hence
>
> > the
> > > WXKS simulcas to get into the city.
> > >
> >
> > The town of Newton has approved and WKOX is planning on
> > starting construction, at least according to what I have
> > read on the Boston Board. If I understand correctly, it
> > won't be as good as a "true" clear channel but should be a
>
> > vast improvement, especially at night. Strangely,
> > Radio-Locator has dropped the info on the CP so I can't
> > quote any numbers.
> >
> Radio-Locator is a questionable source in any case. Note
> its language to the effect that its information is for
> "entertainment" only. If you believed its map you'd think
> that a little daytimer out in cow country was pumping a
> listenable signal into downtown Chicago. That's hardly the
> case.
>

Ummm have you actually listened to 850 in Chicago? It does a great job over the city. 10000 watts ERP at 850 is nothing to sneeze at! Its location has very little to do with how the signal is directed and how much power is pumped through. 850 is providing a listenble signal into downtown. (Yes there are areas that are hard to get any AM signal). Also it is my understanding that 850 is on past sunset to (I THINK) Denver sunset, so they get an extra hour or so of on air time. That would put them to at least past drive time.
 
Re: Fun With Numbers

> >
> > Chicagos 850 is far from a rim shot. That station throws
> > about 10,000 watts ERP right down the throat of the Loop.
>
>
> It's a classic example of a rim shot. WCPT is a 2500 watt
> daytimer in Crystal Lake, IL, 45.5 miles from Chicago.
> People in Chicago tell me they can't pick it up at all or
> only through static. And the station is now signing off
> before people get out of work.
>
> > Boston has a CP for 50-kW.
>
> Not that I know of, but for the moment, Boston is served by
> two rim-shots, neither of which put a decent signal into the
> central city.
>
> I cant speak to San Antonio, but
> > isnt AAR on a pair of FMs???
>
> AAR lists one "San Antonio" affiliate, KTXX in Karnes City,
> which is 54 miles from San Antonio. KRPT, which is 34 miles
> from San Antonio, has switched to "Outlaw" music. It
> previously carried Jerry Springer, but no other AAR shows.
> >
> > It appears that YOU are cherry picking the stations to
> make
> > your point. What about WCKY in Cincy? What about WINZ in
>
> > Miami? What about KPTK in Seattle? What about KPOJ in
> > Portland? What about KQKE in SF? WWTQ Memphis? KLSD in
> > SD? KKZN in Denver? WJNO West Palm? WWAA in Atlanta? And
> so
> > on. All of those stations (and more) are far from
> "exurbs"
> > and are real decent signals!
>
> Most of these stations have decent and/or improving ratings.
> KPOJ is the number one AM station in the Portland market.
> WJNO is the number one AM station in the West Palm market.
> KQKE has a lousy signal. WWAA is on 1690, a frequency that
> most people don't even know exists (if they have it on their
> radios at all).


KPOJ is the number one AM in the market? I see it tied with KEX at this time. BTW, I can hear WWAA up in the Midwest, so the signal does carry.

>
> > This comment: "AAR isnt on any decent signals" just doesnt
>
> > fly anymore.
>
> Who are you quoting? Not me. It's on a few decent signals
> and a lot of lousy ones.
> >
>

I never said I was quoting you. Sorry if it came off that way. I just hear a lot of complaining about the signals that AAR is on yet they seem to haev a bunch of decent stations.
 
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