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Program Directors and Tyrannosaurus Rex

Neanderpaul said:
And what you're choosing to ignore is the 25-30 current-based songs that get the highest exposure to radio audiences every day. There are brand new songs spun 50+ times/week for weeks on end. At some point there has to be a decision made as to whether we keep playing them. There also has to be a determination which songs are likely to serve your station's audience.

Which part of this is throwing you off?
Yeah, pretty funny, "Which part of this is throwing you off?", when the response didn't even address JimmyJames' point.

I don't know what's more depressing, listening to commercial rock radio or reading how Neanderpaul tries to justify it.

mo rock said:
paul, i think we’ve established that this is strictly dialogue between you and i and none of it is personal, so i don’t think you will be offended when i say you are exhibiting the classic symptoms of Stockholme Syndrome. Held hostage by the anomaly that is your stations success in a dying medium (rock radio) you have no choice but to believe some of the things you say while clearly stating subconscious disdain for them.

I don't think the disdain is "subconscious", I think he openly admits to having it, no reading between the lines is necessary, and I think in that situation a fellow should consider doing himself a favor, being true to himself and his principles, and finding another line of work. I believe it's got to be much more satisfying making a lot of people happy by doing exactly what you want to do on the radio as a hobby, and finding some other way to make your money. My listeners are happy, my sponsor is happy, I've got total freedom to play and say what I want on the air, and I sleep very well at night. And when I post on radio-info.com, I'm not posting out of both sides of my mouth.
Life's too short to spend any part of it helping something that you don't totally believe in.
 
mo rock said:
paul, i think we’ve established that this is strictly dialogue between you and i and none of it is personal, so i don’t think you will be offended when i say you are exhibiting the classic symptoms of Stockholme Syndrome. Held hostage by the anomaly that is your stations success in a dying medium (rock radio) you have no choice but to believe some of the things you say while clearly stating subconscious disdain for them.


Oh...make no mistake. It's not subconscious at all. I absolutely hate the way radio is right now. I think I'm well quoted on this in just about every interview/self-flagellating piece I've ever done. However...based upon the parameters we are asked to work within, there is a system that allows for success. Do I like it? Hell no. Do I personally embrace it in my own musical consumption? No I do not. But, what I do do (heheh doodoo) is understand that this is a job, and I am paid to do it to the best of my abilities. I happen to love what I do every day. I cannot control the songs. Pearl Jam is Pearl Jam. Same on every station that plays them...But I can control what comes between them. And that is truly what makes the difference. And this is where (respectfully) I believe you're losing focus. You see these proven songs as an albatross. I see them as a tool to connect. I want the person hearing me play this song to identify with my attachment to it more than the other guy.

Then...once I have established that legitimate credibility with the listener, I have the latitude to expand within the brand. I would bet I own the "metal" position in my market. Me personally. And yet I don't host the metal show. Why? Because a reference here & there expands our brand. I use Black Sabbath's 30-year old song to connect them to the Cradle Of Filth kid. And we get credit for more than we do. I don't have to actually play certain songs to own the position. That's how you work within the confines.

If Kings Of Leon (and I use them for consistency sake) were on Letterman, I'd reference it. The person who enjoys their music will see that we embrace the band. And those that don't...would see the reference for a reference. That's what we do...we're attempting to make a legitimate emotional connection with the audience. Anything that causes them to listen. Not just have us on. But actively listen....is a win. Radio is so much more than playing music. People don't listen for the music. They truly don't. They listen to feel connected to the music. And you can make that connection without actually playing the song.

mo rock said:
a station’s audience is not a stagnant number. if i perform in a comedy club, the audience is the number of people in the seats. radio’s audience is ever revolving and can be any given number depending on what you serve them at that given moment but more often regularly, therefore, in my uneducated opinion, serve the medium, not what one thinks the audience is and the audience will be there. maybe we’re arguing semantics, but a statement like, “those with the highest numbers win” is indicative of the shortsighted thinking that caused mistakes at nabco. the devil stated in dante’s inferno that “it is better to rule in hell than serve in heaven”, well sometimes its better to be around forever at number 3 than 3 years at number 1 and then flame out because success stunted your growth when it renedered you too afraid to experiment.

Or...as has been the case since long before I got here. You can spend years at #1 in your target demos. And the...using this system we both seem to hate...you can have a PD walk in and enhance the brand to achieve its greatest performance. What you see as "short-sighted" is reality. In this instant benefit world. Nobody cares what you did last week. Or has the patience to wait. Give me the best now. And PPM is going to make it "worse" before it gets better. New music is going to be almost nonexistent.


mo rock said:
one other thing, the very statement “i don’t get the Kings Of Leon” is why it is incumbent more stations play them. because it’s new. it’s different. i don’t think they are the greatest band in the world, and i think Band Of Horses more worthy of the exposure, but damn, it’s nice to hear a band on the radio that’s not a regurgitation (Hinder). and like others, i think they are as active as rock gets. but you have the job my friend.

New? Hardly. I was exposed to the band 6 years ago while in Sacramento. They were unfortunately packaged as a "Christian band." And this latest single is truly an acknowledgment to U2. Another band that has no place (IMHO) on Active Rock.

There's nothing "new" about this band at all. And there's nothing "Active Rock" about them at all. That doesn't make the songs bad. It just means that a lot of Active Rock stations are dealing with an identity crisis and reaching for good music for the short-term. And the potential expense of their heritage brand. Which goes back to the....is the heritage brand worth protecting? In my market. Yes. It is strong and successful. So, we avoid anything that might take away from what we are.
 
JimmyJames said:
I was referring to how you make a comparison between record sales of "greatest hits" collections and radio airplay. My point is:

People aren't generally going to buy unfamiliar music. There's not going to be large numbers of people buying music that is unknown to them.

That's somewhat different from free to air radio, where one can hear both music one likes and new music, without having to "gamble" by paying for the unknown.


You can play the unknown. And quite frankly must do so. We grow and shed audience every day. What I've attempted to point out, and perhaps may have missed is that the generational acceptance of proven music can be measured by national sales. There's a reason "Dark Side" still sells...and "Whitesnake" does not.

You have to choose the best new music that fits your brand, and listen to the audience when they tell you they do, or don't want it on your station.

The band Kings Of Leon...doesn't satisfy either criteria for our station. And more recently...Chickenfoot.

We have passed on several songs that have gone to "#1" in order to protect the brand. And whether I like it or not...when the ratings come out, the decision proves to be the correct one.
 
jakej said:
Yeah, pretty funny, "Which part of this is throwing you off?", when the response didn't even address JimmyJames' point.

Sure it does. But you would rather take potshots.

jakej said:
I don't know what's more depressing, listening to commercial rock radio or reading how Neanderpaul tries to justify it.

I'm not trying to do anything. I have justified it. I understand how it works. You're busy kicking water upstairs.

jakej said:
I don't think the disdain is "subconscious", I think he openly admits to having it, no reading between the lines is necessary, and I think in that situation a fellow should consider doing himself a favor, being true to himself and his principles, and finding another line of work. I believe it's got to be much more satisfying making a lot of people happy by doing exactly what you want to do on the radio as a hobby, and finding some other way to make your money. My listeners are happy, my sponsor is happy, I've got total freedom to play and say what I want on the air, and I sleep very well at night. And when I post on radio-info.com, I'm not posting out of both sides of my mouth.
Life's too short to spend any part of it helping something that you don't totally believe in.

I think it's very interesting how everyone seems to know the answer. But nobody seems to be employing these answers to any success.

This is a job. A job I love. I have traded x-amount of principles for x-amount of dollars. I'm comfortable with it.

:)
 
Neanderpaul said:
I think it's very interesting how everyone seems to know the answer. But nobody seems to be employing these answers to any success.

I consider my show to be a success. Maybe not in the way that you define the word, but it's a success.
 
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