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Programming "smooth variety" for KWJZ

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RockJazz

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...if you cared or had to.

KWJZ has uttered the phrase at least once I've heard and it describes what they are trying.

I am not opposed to the concept, have even suggested it to them ("skilled jangle" as a replacement to the more narrow "smooth jazz") though from a lot of what is being added I might end up that way, not that anybody cares.

But rather than scramble as a listener to say what I'd like, I already know that and as I said nobody really cares much about one listener, so I am asking the radio pros, if any are inclined to show their programming chops, what would you program in and out and not program in? Given what KWJZ is or can be in this market?

Any stations elsewhere that are doing a fine job of "smooth variety"? It is a concept that seems far more likely to disappoint than wow. But probably what they have to do.
 
If they lean toward pop, they will only end up cannibalizing their own sister station (WARM). While it's nice to be able to offer a sales block (we'll give you smooth, warm, KIXI) to a certain demo, it also means you're boxed in if you change. That was the underlying problem with KLSY & WARM....if KLSY went too soft they were competing with their own sister.
 
An unfortunate by-product of the PPM's arriving in Seattle. Smooth Jazz does not do well in the PPM with its TSL focus, so KWJZ is making the wise transition to broader format, in my humble view. Will it work? We will know at the end of April. It may also damage their Soft AC sister station WARM.Working with multiple stations in a variety of PPM markets I have learned to expect the unexpected. Smooth Jazz may in fact work in places like Seattle or San Diego, but odds are against it. The clear winner in the PPM are sports stations. I would expect to see at least three in Seattle within the next year, including one on FM. Have noticed a number of Seattle stations "fine tuning" in preparation for the PPM. Morning hosts would be wise to trim back the talk. One must wonder if the all-talk morning shows on stations like KUBE, KZOK, KISW will look at what has happened in other markets and adjust. Ryan Seacrest, Steve Harvey, Kidd Kraddick and a number of established hosts have added more music, trimmed their talk and put their ego's to the side in order to get better ratings for their stations. Endless Talk in Morning drive is THE big loser in PPM which is part of the reason so many morning shows are being handed their walking papers. Some are beginning to adjust like Steve Harvey, Seacrest, Marty, K Kraddick. Others have too much ego to play music on their shows. The ratings drops are significant. In my humble view, Seattle will see some surprises that may go against the tide. Adjust for the PPM and expect the unexpected is the rule.
 
i wish KWJZ would just lay off the saxophones.......
 
It would be nice to have at least one Seattle radio station aimed at people who aren't retarded. OK, now that I've sunk to the level of commercial talk radio - indulge me for a few examples of what might work to attract the large number of apparently educated, worldly-wise Seattleites who don't really have much that speak to them. And what some of you might try to do differently with the way you present your programming.

KWJZ plays commercials and promos right out of songs. Stop it. Play more music with emotional impact and lyrics worth paying attention to, and ditch the muzak and fuzak. Have a straight ahead plain spoken announcer backsell the music before you go into commercials. KKSF in its heyday of the Brown Broadcasting years had it down pat.

Fine-tuning a short playlist is only one issue to address at KWJZ or any other station that thinks it can reach, and serve, people with a college education, and perhaps who grew up in another city or country but call the Seattle area home now -- and can't find even one music station to stick with for more than ten minutes.

I'm listening to Fresh Air's tribute to Blossom Dearie as I write this on KXOT. She was a distinctive jazz-cabaret singer who died over the weekend, if you've forgotten her. A truly classy station with a broad playlist could play a tribute number to her, as well as feature music from Jackson Browne, Joan Armatrading, acoustic Johnny Cash, Angelique Kidjo, Manu Chao, Robbie Robertson, Miles Davis and Sting-Before-That-Damned-Lute. Give us some "chill-out" music, with some complimentary stuff from other genres, too. Remember what Radio and Records used to call "New Adult Contemporary," and what others call an adult-skewing AAA format? There's still a lot of it being produced out there. You just don't get to hear much of it on the local radio stations. KEXP is too into garage bands to do this, since I'm talking about an older demographic.

It seems to work to attract and maintain an audience on many of the adult-skewing AAAs in the non-comm and commerical worlds. Just don't make them have to be in the top 5 Arbitron 12+ numbers to "succeed." Tho' in Seattle, you actually might, since there's little competition that isn't rap, country, or "classic rock hits." There really are other formats you could try. I suppose KWJZ and KMTT are the closest things to adult music stations that aren't all "sugar and spice," but they really don't seem to display much imagination and seem to underestimate their listeners - as least to my ears. "Jazz for the country western listener." Album rock without playing anyting you haven't already heard a hundred times. Kinda disappointing, actually.

Besides content that features a lot of new music, album cuts from stuff you used to have on LP, and something that goes beyond what we've always heard on the endless stale "classic rock" stations that dominate the Seattle dial, presentation is important, too. Ever heard of a "tune-out"? Those silly positioning statments and liners that run over and over and over, as if there's that one listener out there somewhere who can't repeat it by heart after ten minutes, may have as much to do with low ratings as the music itself. Five minute or longer commercial sets sound like clutter and interrupt the flow of programming and the mood of the music. (I know you need to sell spots, just make it fit the format!), May I suggest the Clear Channel style "phone echo" promos are an instant tune-out for a lot of people who are unimpressed by announcers who sound like they're hosting an "extreme sports" event. If it works at a monster truck rally, it probably doesnt' belong on an adult-oriented station!

Note to The Mountain - forget what Bill Virgin suggested last year - go ahead and be just like KINK in Portland. We could really use a station like KINK, or what it was, with album cuts, medium tempo music, relaxed announcers who use their natural voice, no screamers, and clear audio processing that doesn't pump up the bass like a rap station. You could be that station, if you would distinguish youself and give your listeners a little credit for having a brain and discriminating taste. Forget about pleasing sleaze merchants like Pierre Motors and Tulalip Casino "Fun! Fun! FUN!!" and be a station people can listen to all day without getting pissed off or mentally tuning out all the crap. And turn down the bass! Who wants to listen to that much processing on an expensive sound system?

And if they don't do it, can KWJZ pull it off?

Otherwise, I suspect you who are among the commercial decision makers in this market might actually be charged with trying to drive us all away from the radio dial into satellite radio, internet radio, and creating our own mixes. Because there's scant little that sounds like the kind of station the people I know would want to spend time with.

Are you programming the kind of station you'd actually listen to all day if you weren't in the biz? Why not? Seriously, why not?

Just a few suggestions,

Goldilocks
 
Thanks for the replies.

Especially Goldilocks.

Looks like we agree on some things and not on some others.

You say "Play more music with emotional impact and lyrics worth paying attention to, and ditch the muzak and fuzak". Me, I turn to KWJZ largely to get away from lyrics / soul jabber and generally enjoy the purity of instrumentals, especially the ones that are unique and tell a story in sound and are not just a fancy run of notes. So I guess they pitch a bit to folks like you and folks like me.

I am not dying to hear Jackson Browne or Joan Armatrading (though I bought one of her albums back in the day). Or Tracy Chapman or Michael McDonald. I don't want AC or at least much of it. Clapton is borderline but I wouldn't put in heavy rotation.

A track from Stevie Ray Vaughn or Santana is nice though and I think help build an audience- especially among men. Robbie Robertson would be a good add for sure; Miles Davis should be in the mix too. Fergie's Look of Love works for me even with my general preference against vocals. Cowboy Junkies would work for me too.


KWJZ does pretty good at mixing sax leads with piano leads and guitar leads and vocals with instrumental. But there is some stuff they could lose. Is Ray Charles really that popular or necessary to broaden the audience? I guess I'll have to put with stuff like Stevie Wonder or really I change and then change back.

They've found some stuff within and near jazz I really like and would have never heard if not for them. I hope they make it and I hope they take more chances on new music, other genres. I've said that a could take a touch of bluegrass or inventive modern chamber music or some other world tracks if well chosen. Some chill or lounge vocal tracks would be fine. I'd prefer to go lighter on the soul / R&B based. But I can take some of it. Marvin Gaye I don't turn off even if I wouldn't request it.

Ads, I turn out the worst ones but I don't focus on that issue as much anymore. Casinos and some of the other predators for paying the bills. Probably can't be too picky these days.
 
On the issue of going too soft I say leave Seal and stuff like that for WARM or someplace else. 10=20% of a play list for that kind of stuff. they are still fundamentally doing the same thing. 30% or more and I am less willing to stick. Especially an issue during the day but I guess the nights & weekends are largely a gift so I'd end by saying thanks for them.
 
Check out KZAL 94.7 over in Manson: http://asx.abacast.com/kzal-kzal-20.asx

http://www.smooth947.com/ (Please look at their playlist vs. what's actually on the air/feed)

Heard In The Last Hour 10:04 PM - 11:04 PM PST:

"Whatever It Takes" Lifehouse
SMOOTH 94.7 VOICER
"Tom's Diner" Suzanne Vega (DNA Remix)
"Invisible Touch" Genesis
"Morning" Al Jarreau
SMOOTH 94.7 VOICER
"I Will Remember You" Sarah McLachlan
"I'm Yours" Jason Mraz
SMOOTH 94.7 VOICER
"On Broadway" Geroge Benson
SMOOTH 94.7 VOICER - 10:28 PM
Commercial Set
SMOOTH 94.7 VOICER - 10:30 PM
"Allison" Elvis Costello
SMOOTH 94.7 VOICER
"Breakaway" Kelly Clarkson
Some saxophony rendition of Boz Scagg's "Lowdown"
"Smooth" Santana w/ Rob Thomas
Weather+Spot
SMOOTH 94.7 VOICER
Some slick piano rendition of "Then the Morning Comes" Smash Mouth
"Listen To Your Heart" Roxette
"Love Is The Drug" Roxy Music
"As I Lay Me Down" Sophie B. Hawkins
"Pocket Full Of Sunshine" Natasha Bedingfield

Is this the Smooth Jazz of Tomorrow? Or has even the word "Smooth" itself finally ran away screaming too from ANY association with this MESS?

Now I'm a believer. "Smooth Jazz" Is officially DEAD.........
 
Thanks for the reference Bongwater. Smooth variety like that might do well with many but it isn't what I am looking for.

I checked the KINK in Portland webpage and I see and appreciate the creativity. I'm going to try to catch the trance show via internet.

As I should have said earlier I agree with the desirability of having stations that slip out of the standard pocket whether it is from classic rock / hits, adult contemporary hits or the fresh "smooth"ish pop stuff.

My version of a non-standard station, building off the KWJZ history and niche could maybe be called "Jangle" to play a bit off Jack. Mainly instrumental, probably less sax-based jazz and emphasizing more unique stylings / storytelling, less or no R&B and soul, more rock-based stuff.
 
RockJazz said:
Thanks for the reference Bongwater. Smooth variety like that might do well with many but it isn't what I am looking for.

I checked the KINK in Portland webpage and I see and appreciate the creativity. I'm going to try to catch the trance show via internet.

As I should have said earlier I agree with the desirability of having stations that slip out of the standard pocket whether it is from classic rock / hits, adult contemporary hits or the fresh "smooth"ish pop stuff.

My version of a non-standard station, building off the KWJZ history and niche could maybe be called "Jangle" to play a bit off Jack. Mainly instrumental, probably less sax-based jazz and emphasizing more unique stylings / storytelling, less or no R&B and soul, more rock-based stuff.

You've pretty much summed up what KEZX was.

I'd be a little more exploring, playing newer music like Empire Of The Sun, more local cuts, probably fewer instrumentals (maybe save them for Sunday morning or something.) And tracks ranging Aimee Mann and The Raconteurs to Al Green and The Ravonettes to Bruce Springsteen and Sufjan Stevens. Similar to the original KEZX concept.
 
...and did I mention those weather reports on KZAL were read by a COMPUTER VOICE?
 
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