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Progressive talk comes to Palm Springs, CA station

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FightingIrish

From All Access:

Adult Standards KWXY-A-F/PALM SPRINGS splits the simulcast with the takeover of the AM side by new owners RR BROADCASTING. The AM station is going Talk on AUGUST 7 as "PROGRESSIVE TALK AM 1340, KPTR," using JONES' STEPHANIE MILLER and ED SCHULTZ, FOX' ALAN COLMES, and AIR AMERICA RADIO's AL FRANKEN and RANDI RHODES. The FM continues with the Standards format.

RR Broadcasting owns a few other stations in town, including the area's two talk stations, 920 and 1450. Now they have a left-leaning counterpart to the two.

http://www.allaccess.com
http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2006/07/palm-springs-cas-new-liberal-talker.html
 
MightyFrenchman said:
FightingIrish said:
From All Access:

The AM station is going Talk on AUGUST 7 as "PROGRESSIVE TALK AM 1340.

http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2006/07/palm-springs-cas-new-liberal-talker.html
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Remember, when it comes to talk radio, "progressive" is just another word for liberal. However, if AM 1340 were to promote itself as "LIBERAL TALK AM 1340", they might as well put it up for sale again.
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The term "Progressive Talk" is used for many stations airing this format.
 
"The term "Progressive Talk" is used for many stations airing this format."

Which doesn't change the fact that "progressive talk" is a misnomer. You could also play nothing but polkas on your station and call it "Eastern European Soul Music". That wouldn't change the fact that you're really playing polkas.
 
MightyFrenchman said:
Remember, when it comes to talk radio, "progressive" is just another word for liberal. However, if AM 1340 were to promote itself as "LIBERAL TALK AM 1340", they might as well put it up for sale again.
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This about your fifth post where you have railed on the liberal vs. progressive issue. How much longer are going to hang on to this non--issue?
 
barooosk said:
MightyFrenchman said:
Remember, when it comes to talk radio, "progressive" is just another word for liberal. However, if AM 1340 were to promote itself as "LIBERAL TALK AM 1340", they might as well put it up for sale again.
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This about your fifth post where you have railed on the liberal vs. progressive issue. How much longer are going to hang on to this non--issue?
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WOW! Pot - kettle - black?
 
sdwulfdawg said:
It is sure to be just as a major success in Palm Springs as AAR has been in San Diego....NOT!
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Not a real success, but San Diego's KLSD rating are up last quarter. And as mid-terms get closer, it will probably go up some more. The 2 year sprint to the 2008 Presidential election will most likely have a positve effect on ALL political talk. Look for more station to switch to "PROGRESSIVE TALK" as 2008 approaches. thanks.
 
"Look for more station to switch to "PROGRESSIVE TALK" as 2008 approaches."

That would be a big mistake. There is no more than a handful of progressive listeners in any given market, hardly enough to provide any sort of ratings. On the other hand, there are hordes of liberal listeners who might tune in to a liberal talk station.

Isn't it amazing that professionals who work in a medium in which the only tools available are words and music can't get the definitions of two simple words in the English language like "liberal" and "progressive" correct?

One would think that people in the business of communicating via words would be better at using the correct definitions of words instead of trying to invent new meanings for perfectly good words.
 
Radio_Realist said:
"Look for more station to switch to "PROGRESSIVE TALK" as 2008 approaches."

That would be a big mistake. There is no more than a handful of progressive listeners in any given market, hardly enough to provide any sort of ratings. On the other hand, there are hordes of liberal listeners who might tune in to a liberal talk station.

Isn't it amazing that professionals who work in a medium in which the only tools available are words and music can't get the definitions of two simple words in the English language like "liberal" and "progressive" correct?

One would think that people in the business of communicating via words would be better at using the correct definitions of words instead of trying to invent new meanings for perfectly good words.
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Huh? What on earth are you talking about? Are you saying that "liberals" won't listen to a station because it calls itself "progressive?" I thought that the reason why Clear Channel and others call their left-leaning stations "progressive talk" was because conservatives have succeeded in making the word "liberal" a dirty word. What difference does it make what a format is called? It's the CONTENT that counts. And for the record, I consider the terms "liberal" and "progressive" to be synonymous and I answer to both.
 
"Are you saying that "liberals" won't listen to a station because it calls itself "progressive?""

No, I'm saying that "liberal" means one thing and "progressive" means another thing. And those two different things aren't the same thing.

"I thought that the reason why Clear Channel and others call their left-leaning stations "progressive talk" was because conservatives have succeeded in making the word "liberal" a dirty word."

And I thought it was because Winston Smith from the Ministry of Truth told them to make the change as part of the implementation of New Speak. They thought it to be double-plus good.

"What difference does it make what a format is called?"

None I suppose. Words don't really have meanings after all. They only mean what you want them to mean when you say them.

"And for the record, I consider the terms "liberal" and "progressive" to be synonymous and I answer to both."

Well that's also double-plus good. You're mastering New Speak. Soon you'll be qualified to belong to the Thought Police.
 
>>No, I'm saying that "liberal" means one thing and "progressive" means >>another thing. And those two different things aren't the same thing.

I'm saying that most of us use the terms interchangeably and don't know what you're talking about. Please enlighten us about the "two different things" that you're talking about.
 
So, is this the same as FOX News calling themselves "Fair and Balanced" when we all know they really aren't?

Next, someone should explain to me the difference between "Modern Rock" and "Alternative Rock". On second thought, please don't.
 
"Please enlighten us about the "two different things" that you're talking about."

The Progressives were a political movement in the early 20th century who sought to make the operation of government more democratic. They instituted such things as adding initiative, referendum, and reform to state constitutions. That enabled voters to bypass the legislatures by using petitions to get proposed laws onto binding ballot initiatives. Their biggest accomplishment was to get the US Senate changed to selection by election instead of appointment by state legislatures by means of a constitutional amendment. They did not advocate the kind of changes regarded today as "liberal", and were more in agreement with what many conservatives advocate today. In fact, much of the motivation behind the progressive movement was to prevent politicians from raising taxes to fund government giveaway programs to redistribute wealth, which is the cornerstone of liberal political philosophy.

The positions and definitions of modern liberals are well known, and need not be explained.

But once someone learns what the progressive political movement was all about, then one should realize that "progressive" is one group and "liberal" is another. Using the two terms interchangeably is an incorrect usage of one word or the other, depending on context.

"Next, someone should explain to me the difference between "Modern Rock" and "Alternative Rock"."

Both terms used to mean the same thing at one time, but then time passed and something even newer came along (as it always does) and alternative ceased being modern, but it remained alternative. That's what happens when people who don't really care about the meaning of words use them as labels.

That's why the furniture style called "Danish Modern" is now retro.
 
From Encyclopedia Britannica:

The meanings of words change over time. For example, “nice” once meant foolish, but that definition is now obsolete.
 
"The meanings of words change over time"

But that used to take a long time, and now it happens almost weekly thanks to those who deliberately attempt to make accurate communication impossible by inventing new meanings for old words on a regular basis. The changes in the meanings of words should come from the ground up. Those who are professionals in the art of communication should be the last people to use words incorrectly and they should be the last people to devalue the meanings of words. People who call themselves "professional" communicators (and broadcasters are supposed to be communicators) who play fast and loose with the meanings of words don't deserve to be considered "professional" broadcasters.

To be a "professional" means to conform to higher standards within one's field than amateurs hold themselves to. If you want to play fast and loose with the meanings of words, fine. But don't also call yourself a "professional" broadcaster, because you've proven that you aren't a professional.

And as for Clear Channel using the term, since when has anyone looked upon Clear Channel as an example of what's right about the broadcast industry? Clear Channel is to quality broadcasting what McDonalds is to fine food.
 
And for the record, I consider the terms "liberal" and "progressive" to be synonymous and I answer to both.
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For the record, I consider the terms conservative and progressive to be synonymous.
 
Radio_Realist said:
"The meanings of words change over time"

But that used to take a long time, and now it happens almost weekly thanks to those who deliberately attempt to make accurate communication impossible by inventing new meanings for old words on a regular basis. The changes in the meanings of words should come from the ground up. Those who are professionals in the art of communication should be the last people to use words incorrectly and they should be the last people to devalue the meanings of words. People who call themselves "professional" communicators (and broadcasters are supposed to be communicators) who play fast and loose with the meanings of words don't deserve to be considered "professional" broadcasters.

To be a "professional" means to conform to higher standards within one's field than amateurs hold themselves to. If you want to play fast and loose with the meanings of words, fine. But don't also call yourself a "professional" broadcaster, because you've proven that you aren't a professional.

And as for Clear Channel using the term, since when has anyone looked upon Clear Channel as an example of what's right about the broadcast industry? Clear Channel is to quality broadcasting what McDonalds is to fine food.
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I assume that the above was written with tongue-firmly-in-cheek, so I'll go along with the gag.

CBS Radio is doing it too! Shameful!

And those homosexuals! Changing the meaning of "gay!"

And those whippersnapper computer people! "Mouse!" "Worms!" "Monitor!"

And those big spenders in Washington! Calling themselves "conservatives!"

Sputter, sputter....
 
"And those homosexuals! Changing the meaning of "gay!"

And those whippersnapper computer people! "Mouse!" "Worms!" "Monitor!"

And those big spenders in Washington! Calling themselves "conservatives!"

Sputter, sputter...."

None of those groups listed are professional communicators dedicated to clarity of verbal communication. Professional broadcasters are. I presume your response indicates that you believe that broadcasters need not adhere to a higher professional standard within the context of their work.

Like I said, I don't see how anyone who doesn't believe in the standards of a profession can call himself a "professional".

Unless you also bend the meaning of the word "professional".
 
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