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Progressive Talk returns to Boston radio!
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And when the LiberalTalkRadio blog pointed that out they said, "No jokes please" (whatever you say,
Comrade
) I actually tuned in for a moment on Rt 62 in Danvers to see how strong the signal was and
it sounded like Russian language to me (late afternoon)
Trivia: which Dartmouth-educated nationally syndicated talk host speaks Russian pretty well? She has gone into it a few times (answer: Glastonbury, CT's Laura Ingraham)
Article about WAZN and the Russian-lang programming
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma.../finally_local_talk_radio_says_it_in_russian/
>>Last month, ''The Russian Bostonian with Seva Kaplan" premiered from Kaplan's basement studio in Tenafly, N.J. The show, 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Mondays through Fridays on WAZN-AM (1470 kHz), is one of two first-time open-air Russian radio shows to be heard in Boston
The funny folk band The Foremen once did a song called Russian Limbaugh! It manages to rhyme
"borscht" with ... "divorscht" and makes a joke about "I will bury you..."
http://www.royzimmerman.com/lyrics/rest_limbaugh.html
Comrade
) I actually tuned in for a moment on Rt 62 in Danvers to see how strong the signal was andit sounded like Russian language to me (late afternoon)
Trivia: which Dartmouth-educated nationally syndicated talk host speaks Russian pretty well? She has gone into it a few times (answer: Glastonbury, CT's Laura Ingraham)
Article about WAZN and the Russian-lang programming
http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma.../finally_local_talk_radio_says_it_in_russian/
>>Last month, ''The Russian Bostonian with Seva Kaplan" premiered from Kaplan's basement studio in Tenafly, N.J. The show, 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Mondays through Fridays on WAZN-AM (1470 kHz), is one of two first-time open-air Russian radio shows to be heard in Boston
The funny folk band The Foremen once did a song called Russian Limbaugh! It manages to rhyme
"borscht" with ... "divorscht" and makes a joke about "I will bury you..."
http://www.royzimmerman.com/lyrics/rest_limbaugh.html
A change in plans...Due to circumstances beyond our control,
WAZN will NOT be airing progressive talk, after all...The format
should be returning to Boston, but not on WAZN.... :'(
-- Jeff
WAZN will NOT be airing progressive talk, after all...The format
should be returning to Boston, but not on WAZN.... :'(
-- Jeff
Who knows but it looks like 1510 will have progtalk 6 am to 6 pm; they're probably getting someone to
sell time. Stephanie Miller will be right back after this message from E-Z Wider and Alby Gore's
Honest Carbon Credits Company.
sell time. Stephanie Miller will be right back after this message from E-Z Wider and Alby Gore's
Honest Carbon Credits Company.
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>A change in plans...Due to circumstances beyond our control, WAZN will NOT be airing progressive talk, after >all...The format should be returning to Boston, but not on WAZN....
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That's too bad. Santos and Co. are only running prog. talk until 7P. Why not stay with your plans for after 7P? I think any of 1510's listenership who can get 1470 at night will be glad to migrate.
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That's too bad. Santos and Co. are only running prog. talk until 7P. Why not stay with your plans for after 7P? I think any of 1510's listenership who can get 1470 at night will be glad to migrate.
FPB said:
You seem to be missing the point. The programming on both WWZN and WAZN is leased time and, almost surely, the syndicator, Dial Global, is kicking in some or all of the funds for the lease. The idea of kicking in for the lease goes against the syndicator's grain in the first place, but they are doing it because it was the only way they could get clearance in Market #10, notwithstanding Boston's reputation for Liberalism. Since they are trying to establish a relationship with the big-signal leased-time station (WWZN), why would they spend money on another relationship with a competing leased-time station? That would mean Dial Global would be spending even more money to develop a relationship that could sabotage the relationship they have just barely gotten off the ground. I can't see any sense in that!
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DanStrassberg said:
Very interesting. This is what Jeff Kline EXPLAINED to you??
FPB said:
NO! I have not talked to Jeff about this AT ALL. This is simply my assumption. At this point, you can insert the old joke about what happens when you assume, but I think there is a very high probability that I have assumed correctly. Nobody that I know can figure out where Santos is getting his financial backing. When what is now Dial Global was Jones Radio Networks a couple of years ago, the company took a very adamant stance against LMAing local signals. Donna Halper, who knew people at Jones, tried mightily without success to get Jones to do an LMA in Boston. Now Jones has been sold and there is a new cast of characters at the network. It seems pretty obvious that the Dial Global team is not nearly as averse to LMAs as the Jones folks were. Santos is interested in an LMA but doesn't appear to have the money. Dial Global is interested and apparently does have the money (or some money). Put the pieces together; it's a match made in heaven--or one that APPEARS to have been made in heaven. I think we need to wait for time to tell whether it actually has been made in heaven.
Well I HAVE talked to Jeff, and I have been privy to this information for 6 months.
Jones/Dial was not getting paid, nor was MRBI going to be paid.
Jones wanted to be on in Boston. Jeff was hoping to sell the local spots to help the bottom line.
Jones/Dial could charge more for the national spots because they were going to be able to say they were on in another top 10 market.
This is just my opinion, and does not necessarily the opinion of my former employer, but it seems to me Dial was playing both ends against the middle, and reneged on the deal with WAZN once WWZN decided to air them live. When I tell you this deal went sour in a matter of hours, believe it.
If the MRBI managers in NY had half a brain they would have approved this 6 months ago instead of dragging their feet. It wasn't going to cost them a dime for the programming, even if they sold 1 local spot an hour for 10 dollars it was going to be more money than WAZN was getting for that air time. Once the Russians go off the air, there are no revenue generating programs. I had hoped when Tony Wong got the boot from MRBI the decisions made from NYC would be made quicker and with more reason.
The reason I turned down a full time position, and resigned from MRBI was Tony Wong. I only agreed to come back and fill in because 1) I like Jeff and 2) I was told Tony Wong was gone and I thought his replacement who I had met on a few occasions was an improvement.
Seems to me it's business as usual at corporate, and in this economy, and when the leased time station down the road is raiding your customer base by selling them time at a HEFTY discount you can't be letting any opportunity to bring cash through the door go by.
Rant over
Jones/Dial was not getting paid, nor was MRBI going to be paid.
Jones wanted to be on in Boston. Jeff was hoping to sell the local spots to help the bottom line.
Jones/Dial could charge more for the national spots because they were going to be able to say they were on in another top 10 market.
This is just my opinion, and does not necessarily the opinion of my former employer, but it seems to me Dial was playing both ends against the middle, and reneged on the deal with WAZN once WWZN decided to air them live. When I tell you this deal went sour in a matter of hours, believe it.
If the MRBI managers in NY had half a brain they would have approved this 6 months ago instead of dragging their feet. It wasn't going to cost them a dime for the programming, even if they sold 1 local spot an hour for 10 dollars it was going to be more money than WAZN was getting for that air time. Once the Russians go off the air, there are no revenue generating programs. I had hoped when Tony Wong got the boot from MRBI the decisions made from NYC would be made quicker and with more reason.
The reason I turned down a full time position, and resigned from MRBI was Tony Wong. I only agreed to come back and fill in because 1) I like Jeff and 2) I was told Tony Wong was gone and I thought his replacement who I had met on a few occasions was an improvement.
Seems to me it's business as usual at corporate, and in this economy, and when the leased time station down the road is raiding your customer base by selling them time at a HEFTY discount you can't be letting any opportunity to bring cash through the door go by.
Rant over
Yes, this programming will most likely be driven by the selling
of spot ads. Some people on this board have made alot of claims
that there is a pent up demand for this programming. Now it is time
to see if advertisers believe in it, enough to step up to the plate
and take a swing... Time will tell...
of spot ads. Some people on this board have made alot of claims
that there is a pent up demand for this programming. Now it is time
to see if advertisers believe in it, enough to step up to the plate
and take a swing... Time will tell...
Will it croak Howie Carr in the ratings? Will it get miniscule numbers? Maybe somewhere in between. Better signal,
local coverage--it may do slightly better or even considerably better than WKOX/WXKS did. But yes, getting advertisers--at a lean time these days--will be the key.
local coverage--it may do slightly better or even considerably better than WKOX/WXKS did. But yes, getting advertisers--at a lean time these days--will be the key.
Acc. to a promo on the station the 6-7 pm hour will be a repeat of segments from the Jeff Santos and
Stephanie Miller shows, "Best of Jeff and Steph"
Stephanie Miller shows, "Best of Jeff and Steph"
Interestingly, although they don't carry the 9-10 AM hour of Stephanie Miller's show, they are playing her commercials. I guess that's part of the deal. I wonder if they will do "best of" shows on the weekends. I used to enjoy hearing Stephanie on Saturday mornings in the car doing errands.
Since they said 6-7 pm would be best of Jeff and Steph, conceivably they could just air the 9-9:30a
segment of her show at 6 rather than re-air what they already did...who knows.
Stations often have to carry the commercials from a show even if they don't carry all hours; at one point
WRKO had 2 hours of Ingraham not 3, but some of her ads (incl. those voiced by her) showed up in other
dayparts. And WTKK's Phil Hendrie, from TalkRadioNetwork which also does Ingraham, airs one commercial
which says at one point "Laura Ingraham listeners can take advantage of a special offer" ...even though
Laura's on WRKO, not WTKK, at this point. But it's probably just part of a TRN ad buy.
Briefly tuned in; she welcomed Boston and said the voice of SpongeBobSquare Pants would be on during
her next hour. Then she played a clip of Ingraham talking about the Supreme Court (I get the feeling
Steph runs more clips of Laura than vice versa?)
Well, Boston, if you're tired of all the lies and propaganda from the Right, good news. Now you can get...
lies and propaganda from the Left! Yay!) (All depends on one's perspective of course.)
segment of her show at 6 rather than re-air what they already did...who knows.
Stations often have to carry the commercials from a show even if they don't carry all hours; at one point
WRKO had 2 hours of Ingraham not 3, but some of her ads (incl. those voiced by her) showed up in other
dayparts. And WTKK's Phil Hendrie, from TalkRadioNetwork which also does Ingraham, airs one commercial
which says at one point "Laura Ingraham listeners can take advantage of a special offer" ...even though
Laura's on WRKO, not WTKK, at this point. But it's probably just part of a TRN ad buy.
Briefly tuned in; she welcomed Boston and said the voice of SpongeBobSquare Pants would be on during
her next hour. Then she played a clip of Ingraham talking about the Supreme Court (I get the feeling
Steph runs more clips of Laura than vice versa?)
Well, Boston, if you're tired of all the lies and propaganda from the Right, good news. Now you can get...
lies and propaganda from the Left! Yay!
) (All depends on one's perspective of course.)Progressive radio is nothing but hate radio. How much is the station being paid to carry this? ;D
I will say I tuned in to a minute or two of the Thom Hartmann show and a woman called in and said
she's like to tase(r) "straight white male Republicans". Stay classy, progressive talk callers...
she's like to tase(r) "straight white male Republicans". Stay classy, progressive talk callers...
Pretty obvious that you have never listened to Thom Hartmann. Although Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy definitely do sink into the hate-speech category fairly often, I can't recall Hartmann EVER doing hate speech. (And it sounds as if you've never listened to right-wing talk radio either. You'd be hard pressed to name even ONE right-wing talk host who does anything besides hate radio.)oldies5161 said:
raccoonradio said:
I think that's one reason (in addition to poor signals, poor promotion, etc...) that prog. talk didn't make it in Boston before. I don't think that the kind of sensationalistic, extremist, antagonistic banter that gets ratings for (many) conservative talk shows jibes well with the more liberal Boston crowd, even when the viewpoints and opinions are turned to the left. It's the tabloid style of much commercial talk radio, liberal or conservative, that I think turns off many potential progressive listeners in the area who would rather hear a more civil and cerebral approach to the issues on NPR and other non-comm news/talk sources.
When I used to try listening to prog. talk on 1200/1430, sometimes I heard the same kind of whining, yelling, and name-calling as on 680 and 96.9 (whether from callers, hosts or guests), just with different opinions, and even if I happened to agree with them, I sometimes found the formatics to be unlistenable.
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