According to <a target="_blank" href=http://www.cnybj.com/fullstory.cfm?article_id=2455&return=frontpage.cfm>this June 10th article</a> in The Central New York Business Journal, WTKO (1470 AM) in Ithaca, New York, will be undergoing a format change in the near future and changing its call letters to WNYY. The new format will be "progressive talk."
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Progressive Talk station coming to Ithaca, New York
- Thread starter robmidmi
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> According to this June 10th article in The Central New York
> Business Journal, WTKO (1470 AM) in Ithaca, New York, will
> be undergoing a format change in the near future and
> changing its call letters to WNYY. The new format will be
> "progressive talk."
>
Good to hear. I'm surprised lib talk isn't in Syracuse yet.
> Business Journal, WTKO (1470 AM) in Ithaca, New York, will
> be undergoing a format change in the near future and
> changing its call letters to WNYY. The new format will be
> "progressive talk."
>
Good to hear. I'm surprised lib talk isn't in Syracuse yet.
> According to this June 10th article in The Central New York
> Business Journal, WTKO (1470 AM) in Ithaca, New York, will
> be undergoing a format change in the near future and
> changing its call letters to WNYY. The new format will be
> "progressive talk."
<a target="_blank" href=http://sagacom.com/>Saga Communications</a> owns these stations, which are Air America Radio affiliates:
1) <a target="_blank" href=http://www.1490wkvt.com/>WKVT 1490 AM</a>, Brattleboro, Vermont.
2) <a target="_blank" href=http://www.whmp.com/>WHMP 1400 AM</a>, Northampton, Massachusetts.
3) WHMQ 1240 AM, Greenfield, Massachusetts (simulcasts WHMP 24 hours a day).
4) WHNP 1600 AM, East Longmeadow, Massachusetts (Springfield area) (a daytimer that simulcasts WHMP from sunrise to sunset).
Will Saga make WTKO (call letters to be changed to WNYY) 1470 AM, an Air America Radio affiliate, too?
> Business Journal, WTKO (1470 AM) in Ithaca, New York, will
> be undergoing a format change in the near future and
> changing its call letters to WNYY. The new format will be
> "progressive talk."
<a target="_blank" href=http://sagacom.com/>Saga Communications</a> owns these stations, which are Air America Radio affiliates:
1) <a target="_blank" href=http://www.1490wkvt.com/>WKVT 1490 AM</a>, Brattleboro, Vermont.
2) <a target="_blank" href=http://www.whmp.com/>WHMP 1400 AM</a>, Northampton, Massachusetts.
3) WHMQ 1240 AM, Greenfield, Massachusetts (simulcasts WHMP 24 hours a day).
4) WHNP 1600 AM, East Longmeadow, Massachusetts (Springfield area) (a daytimer that simulcasts WHMP from sunrise to sunset).
Will Saga make WTKO (call letters to be changed to WNYY) 1470 AM, an Air America Radio affiliate, too?
T
Tom_
Guest
Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
(Disclaimer: I will leave this to folks who know more about the demographics of the liberal small towns of Ithaca and Santa Fe.)
Air America was demoded in Santa Fe by AGM as it went from a 5kW class B at 1260 to a 1kW local at 1400. It seems that both markets are very liberal, upper middle class, highly educated (there are, I think, at least two very prestigious colleges in Ithaca, NY).
It would be my guess that for Ithacans(again, I really don't know) that Schultz certainly is too close to the center and the various comedians much too comical for the sophisticated Ithaca audience. Malloy and Flanders would probably be the only host that would be respected, especially considering Malloy's ultraliberal positions on the war and social issues. Air America doesn't work with idealistic anti-war liberals who eventually find out that Malloy seems to be about the only host on that network calling for immediate withdrawal from Iraq.
Anyway...others have commented on that you can't have one liberal network with the SAME schedule of hosts succeed in all markets with a cookie cutter 24/7 format. Each market should choose hosts applicable to the local demographic.
And I see from Radio-Locator and station web sites that nobody in Ithaca carries Rush,Savage,Hannity,O'Reilly,etc. locally. Furthermore, NONE of the big talkers with conservatives from larger cities and signals in New York show up in the 12+ ratings at radio and records. What large conservative signals make it here, or or are we looking at bad ground conductivity...the Finger Lakes of NY, I think, were glacially carved...But nevertheless, an arbitron market just shy of 100,000 and nobody has Rush? That could mean something...
Again I'll leave it to those who know more about demographics and geology in Ithaca and Santa Fe than I do. I do not want to stereotype. My only points: Define your target demographic, and tailor your programming appropriately. Air America's carbon copy lineup will not generate the same ratings everywhere and that is why it is in their best interests to abandon syndicating the entire package including their Franken requirement.
If my assumptions about the market are correct and I was the program director of AM 1470, I would pick and choose and syndicate liberal hosts that appeal to middle to upper class highly educated listeners:
Weekdays:
Thom Hartmann
Mike Malloy
Mark Levine who is now in ntl syndication (that's the LIBERAL Mark Levine, not the guy in NY)
Diane Rehm
Meria Heller
Democracy Now and other Pacifica programming
Jeff Rense and Doug Basham overnights, both very strongly anti-war
Weekends:
Laura Flanders
Robert F. Kennedey Jr.
Whitley Streiber
Bob Brinker, with his new show format that includes author interviews who are very critical of the President and Republicans...
etc.
Any thoughts?
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by this Tom: on 06/12/05 07:22 AM.</FONT></P>
(Disclaimer: I will leave this to folks who know more about the demographics of the liberal small towns of Ithaca and Santa Fe.)
Air America was demoded in Santa Fe by AGM as it went from a 5kW class B at 1260 to a 1kW local at 1400. It seems that both markets are very liberal, upper middle class, highly educated (there are, I think, at least two very prestigious colleges in Ithaca, NY).
It would be my guess that for Ithacans(again, I really don't know) that Schultz certainly is too close to the center and the various comedians much too comical for the sophisticated Ithaca audience. Malloy and Flanders would probably be the only host that would be respected, especially considering Malloy's ultraliberal positions on the war and social issues. Air America doesn't work with idealistic anti-war liberals who eventually find out that Malloy seems to be about the only host on that network calling for immediate withdrawal from Iraq.
Anyway...others have commented on that you can't have one liberal network with the SAME schedule of hosts succeed in all markets with a cookie cutter 24/7 format. Each market should choose hosts applicable to the local demographic.
And I see from Radio-Locator and station web sites that nobody in Ithaca carries Rush,Savage,Hannity,O'Reilly,etc. locally. Furthermore, NONE of the big talkers with conservatives from larger cities and signals in New York show up in the 12+ ratings at radio and records. What large conservative signals make it here, or or are we looking at bad ground conductivity...the Finger Lakes of NY, I think, were glacially carved...But nevertheless, an arbitron market just shy of 100,000 and nobody has Rush? That could mean something...
Again I'll leave it to those who know more about demographics and geology in Ithaca and Santa Fe than I do. I do not want to stereotype. My only points: Define your target demographic, and tailor your programming appropriately. Air America's carbon copy lineup will not generate the same ratings everywhere and that is why it is in their best interests to abandon syndicating the entire package including their Franken requirement.
If my assumptions about the market are correct and I was the program director of AM 1470, I would pick and choose and syndicate liberal hosts that appeal to middle to upper class highly educated listeners:
Weekdays:
Thom Hartmann
Mike Malloy
Mark Levine who is now in ntl syndication (that's the LIBERAL Mark Levine, not the guy in NY)
Diane Rehm
Meria Heller
Democracy Now and other Pacifica programming
Jeff Rense and Doug Basham overnights, both very strongly anti-war
Weekends:
Laura Flanders
Robert F. Kennedey Jr.
Whitley Streiber
Bob Brinker, with his new show format that includes author interviews who are very critical of the President and Republicans...
etc.
Any thoughts?
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by this Tom: on 06/12/05 07:22 AM.</FONT></P>
Re: Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
You raise some interesting points possibly about the demographics; like yourself, I can't comment on it accurately, though. But I will say that AAR/progressive talk is in other college towns and seems to do fine there.
As for the lineup, Mike Malloy doesn't exactly appeal to highly educated listeners. He's fun to listen to, but his show is hardly an exercise in political science. And are some of the other hosts you listed even interested in syndication? (Rehm, Heller)
You raise some interesting points possibly about the demographics; like yourself, I can't comment on it accurately, though. But I will say that AAR/progressive talk is in other college towns and seems to do fine there.
As for the lineup, Mike Malloy doesn't exactly appeal to highly educated listeners. He's fun to listen to, but his show is hardly an exercise in political science. And are some of the other hosts you listed even interested in syndication? (Rehm, Heller)
Re: Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
> You raise some interesting points possibly about the
> demographics; like yourself, I can't comment on it
> accurately, though. But I will say that AAR/progressive
> talk is in other college towns and seems to do fine there.
Ithaca (and next door Corning) are -not- liberal places at all. Yes you have college students, but commercial radio cannot survive just appealing to a student body that goes way down over summer break. The college campus may be liberal, but the rest of the southern tier is moderate Republican. Until the last election, our Congressman all the way up in Brighton, a suburb of Rochester, was based in Corning and served the entire western/central southern tier. He was a well-respected Rockefeller-style Republican moderate and got loads of votes even here in Democrat-controlled Brighton.
Southern tier NY'ers are fiscal conservatives and socially tolerant moderates. Most are pro-choice, ambivalent about the gay baiting and other wacko nonsense conservative Christian elements feed their supporters further south, and are ticket splitters when appropriate.
Air America should appeal to a range of audience in Ithaca/Corning, and will counter the existing talker which airs Limbaugh, Laura, et al.
> You raise some interesting points possibly about the
> demographics; like yourself, I can't comment on it
> accurately, though. But I will say that AAR/progressive
> talk is in other college towns and seems to do fine there.
Ithaca (and next door Corning) are -not- liberal places at all. Yes you have college students, but commercial radio cannot survive just appealing to a student body that goes way down over summer break. The college campus may be liberal, but the rest of the southern tier is moderate Republican. Until the last election, our Congressman all the way up in Brighton, a suburb of Rochester, was based in Corning and served the entire western/central southern tier. He was a well-respected Rockefeller-style Republican moderate and got loads of votes even here in Democrat-controlled Brighton.
Southern tier NY'ers are fiscal conservatives and socially tolerant moderates. Most are pro-choice, ambivalent about the gay baiting and other wacko nonsense conservative Christian elements feed their supporters further south, and are ticket splitters when appropriate.
Air America should appeal to a range of audience in Ithaca/Corning, and will counter the existing talker which airs Limbaugh, Laura, et al.
T
Tom_
Guest
Re: Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
> Air America should appeal to a range of audience in
> Ithaca/Corning, and will counter the existing talker which
> airs Limbaugh, Laura, et al.
Who is this? It does not appear to be AM 870 licensed to Ithaca which has Dr. Joy Browne and Clark Howard...
> Air America should appeal to a range of audience in
> Ithaca/Corning, and will counter the existing talker which
> airs Limbaugh, Laura, et al.
Who is this? It does not appear to be AM 870 licensed to Ithaca which has Dr. Joy Browne and Clark Howard...
T
Tom_
Guest
Reply: Diane Rehm, Meria Heller...
you wrote:
> And are
> some of the other hosts you listed even interested in
> syndication? (Rehm, Heller)
Diane Rehm listeners 1.4 million+ per week, from WAMU 88.5fm WDC:
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/about/
"For more than 25 years, The Diane Rehm Show has offered listeners thoughtful and lively conversations on an array of topics with many of the most distinguished people of our times. Each week, more than 1.4 million listeners across the country tune in to the program, which has grown from a small local morning call-in show on Washington's WAMU to one of public broadcasting's most-listened-to programs."
tom responds: certainly 1.4 million is a good number...
tom continues: Meria Heller, I can't find any stations on her web page, I thought she was on 1100 KFNX Phoenix. I do recall that she was on Reality Radio 1320 in Providence, Rhode Island at some point.
http://www.meria.net/
you wrote:
> And are
> some of the other hosts you listed even interested in
> syndication? (Rehm, Heller)
Diane Rehm listeners 1.4 million+ per week, from WAMU 88.5fm WDC:
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/about/
"For more than 25 years, The Diane Rehm Show has offered listeners thoughtful and lively conversations on an array of topics with many of the most distinguished people of our times. Each week, more than 1.4 million listeners across the country tune in to the program, which has grown from a small local morning call-in show on Washington's WAMU to one of public broadcasting's most-listened-to programs."
tom responds: certainly 1.4 million is a good number...
tom continues: Meria Heller, I can't find any stations on her web page, I thought she was on 1100 KFNX Phoenix. I do recall that she was on Reality Radio 1320 in Providence, Rhode Island at some point.
http://www.meria.net/
Re: Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
> It would be my guess that for Ithacans(again, I really don't
> know) that Schultz certainly is too close to the center and
> the various comedians much too comical for the sophisticated
> Ithaca audience. Malloy and Flanders would probably be the
> only host that would be respected, especially considering
> Malloy's ultraliberal positions on the war and social
> issues. Air America doesn't work with idealistic anti-war
> liberals who eventually find out that Malloy seems to be
> about the only host on that network calling for immediate
> withdrawal from Iraq.
I think these judgments are pretty odd. Sure, Franken is a comedian, but it's not like he's some shock jock who does 3 hours of fart jokes and celebrity gossip. I'm pretty much the demographic you're talking about here (white, graduated from an elite college in a very liberal town, liberal activist, go to art house flicks, currently reading a novel by Mishima) and I love Franken and will not listen to Malloy. Obviously that's just one guy's opinion, but I know of no data at all to back up the claim that Franken does poorly in high education demos, and, given the style of the show, it just sounds unlikely.
> Anyway...others have commented on that you can't have one
> liberal network with the SAME schedule of hosts succeed in
> all markets with a cookie cutter 24/7 format. Each market
> should choose hosts applicable to the local demographic.
Of course there's some truth to that, but I think more to this: good radio will get good ratings if given a decent shot in any market. Bad radio won't.
>
> Thom Hartmann
> Mike Malloy
> Mark Levine who is now in ntl syndication (that's the
> LIBERAL Mark Levine, not the guy in NY)
> Diane Rehm
> Meria Heller
> Democracy Now and other Pacifica programming
> Jeff Rense and Doug Basham overnights, both very strongly
> anti-war
>
> Weekends:
>
> Laura Flanders
> Robert F. Kennedey Jr.
> Whitley Streiber
> Bob Brinker, with his new show format that includes author
> interviews who are very critical of the President and
> Republicans...
>
> etc.
>
> Any thoughts?
Diane Rehm seems to be on NPR. It seems there would be a lot of practical problems, maybe legal ones too, in syndicating an NPR program to a commercial station.
> It would be my guess that for Ithacans(again, I really don't
> know) that Schultz certainly is too close to the center and
> the various comedians much too comical for the sophisticated
> Ithaca audience. Malloy and Flanders would probably be the
> only host that would be respected, especially considering
> Malloy's ultraliberal positions on the war and social
> issues. Air America doesn't work with idealistic anti-war
> liberals who eventually find out that Malloy seems to be
> about the only host on that network calling for immediate
> withdrawal from Iraq.
I think these judgments are pretty odd. Sure, Franken is a comedian, but it's not like he's some shock jock who does 3 hours of fart jokes and celebrity gossip. I'm pretty much the demographic you're talking about here (white, graduated from an elite college in a very liberal town, liberal activist, go to art house flicks, currently reading a novel by Mishima) and I love Franken and will not listen to Malloy. Obviously that's just one guy's opinion, but I know of no data at all to back up the claim that Franken does poorly in high education demos, and, given the style of the show, it just sounds unlikely.
> Anyway...others have commented on that you can't have one
> liberal network with the SAME schedule of hosts succeed in
> all markets with a cookie cutter 24/7 format. Each market
> should choose hosts applicable to the local demographic.
Of course there's some truth to that, but I think more to this: good radio will get good ratings if given a decent shot in any market. Bad radio won't.
>
> Thom Hartmann
> Mike Malloy
> Mark Levine who is now in ntl syndication (that's the
> LIBERAL Mark Levine, not the guy in NY)
> Diane Rehm
> Meria Heller
> Democracy Now and other Pacifica programming
> Jeff Rense and Doug Basham overnights, both very strongly
> anti-war
>
> Weekends:
>
> Laura Flanders
> Robert F. Kennedey Jr.
> Whitley Streiber
> Bob Brinker, with his new show format that includes author
> interviews who are very critical of the President and
> Republicans...
>
> etc.
>
> Any thoughts?
Diane Rehm seems to be on NPR. It seems there would be a lot of practical problems, maybe legal ones too, in syndicating an NPR program to a commercial station.
What's the political climate of Ithaca? The 3 stations in western Mass. are all in a very left-leaning region. Dunno about Brattleboro per se, but Vermont tends to be pretty socialist these days too.
>
> Saga Communications owns these stations, which are Air
> America Radio affiliates:
> 1) WKVT 1490 AM, Brattleboro, Vermont.
> 2) WHMP 1400 AM, Northampton, Massachusetts.
> 3) WHMQ 1240 AM, Greenfield, Massachusetts (simulcasts WHMP
> 24 hours a day).
> 4) WHNP 1600 AM, East Longmeadow, Massachusetts (Springfield
> area) (a daytimer that simulcasts WHMP from sunrise to
> sunset).
>
> Will Saga make WTKO (call letters to be changed to WNYY)
> 1470 AM, an Air America Radio affiliate, too?
>
>
> Saga Communications owns these stations, which are Air
> America Radio affiliates:
> 1) WKVT 1490 AM, Brattleboro, Vermont.
> 2) WHMP 1400 AM, Northampton, Massachusetts.
> 3) WHMQ 1240 AM, Greenfield, Massachusetts (simulcasts WHMP
> 24 hours a day).
> 4) WHNP 1600 AM, East Longmeadow, Massachusetts (Springfield
> area) (a daytimer that simulcasts WHMP from sunrise to
> sunset).
>
> Will Saga make WTKO (call letters to be changed to WNYY)
> 1470 AM, an Air America Radio affiliate, too?
>
Re: Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
> (Disclaimer: I will leave this to folks who know more about
> the demographics of the liberal small towns of Ithaca and
> Santa Fe.)
>
> Air America was demoded in Santa Fe by AGM as it went from a
> 5kW class B at 1260 to a 1kW local at 1400. It seems that
> both markets are very liberal, upper middle class, highly
> educated (there are, I think, at least two very prestigious
> colleges in Ithaca, NY).
>
Albuquerque has a Class B Progressive talk station (WABQ) that has some overlap with the current Class C you mention in Santa Fe. The previous power level (B) only increased that overlap. Few potential listeners were lost in the switch. No difference in nighttime power.
According to the AAR website Albuquerque and Sante Fe will be served by KKIT-AM 1340 starting this July. I can't beleive this is in addition to the above two stations so maybe something is going to change...
> (Disclaimer: I will leave this to folks who know more about
> the demographics of the liberal small towns of Ithaca and
> Santa Fe.)
>
> Air America was demoded in Santa Fe by AGM as it went from a
> 5kW class B at 1260 to a 1kW local at 1400. It seems that
> both markets are very liberal, upper middle class, highly
> educated (there are, I think, at least two very prestigious
> colleges in Ithaca, NY).
>
Albuquerque has a Class B Progressive talk station (WABQ) that has some overlap with the current Class C you mention in Santa Fe. The previous power level (B) only increased that overlap. Few potential listeners were lost in the switch. No difference in nighttime power.
According to the AAR website Albuquerque and Sante Fe will be served by KKIT-AM 1340 starting this July. I can't beleive this is in addition to the above two stations so maybe something is going to change...
KKIT/1340 - Not ABQ or Santa Fe
> According to the AAR website Albuquerque and Sante Fe will
> be served by KKIT-AM 1340 starting this July. I can't
> beleive this is in addition to the above two stations so
> maybe something is going to change...
This is a mistake on the AAR site. KKIT/1340 is a currently silent station licensed to Taos, NM.
A quick check of the map shows Taos a good ways north of Santa Fe.
-OA
> According to the AAR website Albuquerque and Sante Fe will
> be served by KKIT-AM 1340 starting this July. I can't
> beleive this is in addition to the above two stations so
> maybe something is going to change...
This is a mistake on the AAR site. KKIT/1340 is a currently silent station licensed to Taos, NM.
A quick check of the map shows Taos a good ways north of Santa Fe.
-OA
Re: KKIT/1340 - Not ABQ or Santa Fe
> > According to the AAR website Albuquerque and Sante Fe will
>
> > be served by KKIT-AM 1340 starting this July. I can't
> > beleive this is in addition to the above two stations so
> > maybe something is going to change...
>
> This is a mistake on the AAR site. KKIT/1340 is a currently
> silent station licensed to Taos, NM.
>
> A quick check of the map shows Taos a good ways north of
> Santa Fe.
>
> -OA
>
The AAR site makes a point that this station is "Launching in July". Seems like a rather big mistake even for their occaisionally wrong stations list... The New Mexico Board suggests that there might be some filings for bringing this station back on the air. There may yet be more to this story...
http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=448505&Board=newmexico
EDIT: the Randi Rhodes Show site shows the station as being in Taos
http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/randirhodes/affiliates/affiliates_new_mexico.php
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by robbbc on 06/13/05 11:49 PM.</FONT></P>
> > According to the AAR website Albuquerque and Sante Fe will
>
> > be served by KKIT-AM 1340 starting this July. I can't
> > beleive this is in addition to the above two stations so
> > maybe something is going to change...
>
> This is a mistake on the AAR site. KKIT/1340 is a currently
> silent station licensed to Taos, NM.
>
> A quick check of the map shows Taos a good ways north of
> Santa Fe.
>
> -OA
>
The AAR site makes a point that this station is "Launching in July". Seems like a rather big mistake even for their occaisionally wrong stations list... The New Mexico Board suggests that there might be some filings for bringing this station back on the air. There may yet be more to this story...
http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=448505&Board=newmexico
EDIT: the Randi Rhodes Show site shows the station as being in Taos
http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/randirhodes/affiliates/affiliates_new_mexico.php
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by robbbc on 06/13/05 11:49 PM.</FONT></P>
Re: KKIT/1340 - Not ABQ or Santa Fe
> The AAR site makes a point that this station is "Launching
> in July". Seems like a rather big mistake even for their
> occaisionally wrong stations list... The New Mexico Board
> suggests that there might be some filings for bringing this
> station back on the air. There may yet be more to this
> story...
I've seen the filings in question. None of them have made it past the application stage. For the station to go on the air, they'd at very least have to have a CP, which according to the FCC's listings, has not been granted...for any of the applicants. In addition, once the CP is granted, they'd have to build the darn thing. So, unless there's a fast track I don't know about, this thing at very least isn't going on July 1st, and probably not anywhere near the month of July at all.
It does remain possible that the FCC website's information is not updated, though I've seen other recent stuff update the same day it happens.
-OA
> The AAR site makes a point that this station is "Launching
> in July". Seems like a rather big mistake even for their
> occaisionally wrong stations list... The New Mexico Board
> suggests that there might be some filings for bringing this
> station back on the air. There may yet be more to this
> story...
I've seen the filings in question. None of them have made it past the application stage. For the station to go on the air, they'd at very least have to have a CP, which according to the FCC's listings, has not been granted...for any of the applicants. In addition, once the CP is granted, they'd have to build the darn thing. So, unless there's a fast track I don't know about, this thing at very least isn't going on July 1st, and probably not anywhere near the month of July at all.
It does remain possible that the FCC website's information is not updated, though I've seen other recent stuff update the same day it happens.
-OA
D
doc9464
Guest
> What's the political climate of Ithaca? The 3 stations in
> western Mass. are all in a very left-leaning region. Dunno
> about Brattleboro per se, but Vermont tends to be pretty
> socialist these days too.
>
Not agreeing with conservatives or republicans is not socialist...its called dissent
> western Mass. are all in a very left-leaning region. Dunno
> about Brattleboro per se, but Vermont tends to be pretty
> socialist these days too.
>
Not agreeing with conservatives or republicans is not socialist...its called dissent
> > What's the political climate of Ithaca? The 3 stations in
>
> > western Mass. are all in a very left-leaning region.
> Dunno
> > about Brattleboro per se, but Vermont tends to be pretty
> > socialist these days too.
> >
> Not agreeing with conservatives or republicans is not
> socialist...its called dissent
>
Have you ever actually spent any time in Vermont? Socialist is a bit of an understatement if anything. Check out Bernie Sanders' party affiliation.
>
> > western Mass. are all in a very left-leaning region.
> Dunno
> > about Brattleboro per se, but Vermont tends to be pretty
> > socialist these days too.
> >
> Not agreeing with conservatives or republicans is not
> socialist...its called dissent
>
Have you ever actually spent any time in Vermont? Socialist is a bit of an understatement if anything. Check out Bernie Sanders' party affiliation.
Re: Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
> Who is this? It does not appear to be AM 870 licensed to
> Ithaca which has Dr. Joy Browne and Clark Howard...
WWLZ Elmira. Elmira, Corning and Ithaca all share signals.
> Who is this? It does not appear to be AM 870 licensed to
> Ithaca which has Dr. Joy Browne and Clark Howard...
WWLZ Elmira. Elmira, Corning and Ithaca all share signals.
Re: Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
> >
> Albuquerque has a Class B Progressive talk station (WABQ)
> that has some overlap with the current Class C you mention
> in Santa Fe. The previous power level (B) only increased
> that overlap. Few potential listeners were lost in the
> switch. No difference in nighttime power.
>
> According to the AAR website Albuquerque and Sante Fe will
> be served by KKIT-AM 1340 starting this July. I can't
> beleive this is in addition to the above two stations so
> maybe something is going to change...
>
KABQ has increased its 12+ ratings more than five-fold since switching to liberal talk. I can't believe they would dump Air America (plus Schultz and Lionel), given the success they're having, even without local programing.
> >
> Albuquerque has a Class B Progressive talk station (WABQ)
> that has some overlap with the current Class C you mention
> in Santa Fe. The previous power level (B) only increased
> that overlap. Few potential listeners were lost in the
> switch. No difference in nighttime power.
>
> According to the AAR website Albuquerque and Sante Fe will
> be served by KKIT-AM 1340 starting this July. I can't
> beleive this is in addition to the above two stations so
> maybe something is going to change...
>
KABQ has increased its 12+ ratings more than five-fold since switching to liberal talk. I can't believe they would dump Air America (plus Schultz and Lionel), given the success they're having, even without local programing.
Re: Will AAR/Schultz make it in Ithaca...they were demoded in Santa Fe...perhaps similar markets demographically???
> KABQ has increased its 12+ ratings more than five-fold since
> switching to liberal talk. I can't believe they would dump
> Air America (plus Schultz and Lionel), given the success
> they're having, even without local programing.
There really isn't very much overlap between KABQ and KKIT.
KKIT's entire range is to the northeast of Santa Fe, where KABQ's fringe area just begins.
There shouldn't be any problem with both stations carrying AAR.
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> KABQ has increased its 12+ ratings more than five-fold since
> switching to liberal talk. I can't believe they would dump
> Air America (plus Schultz and Lionel), given the success
> they're having, even without local programing.
There really isn't very much overlap between KABQ and KKIT.
KKIT's entire range is to the northeast of Santa Fe, where KABQ's fringe area just begins.
There shouldn't be any problem with both stations carrying AAR.
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> > > What's the political climate of Ithaca? The 3 stations
> in
> >
> > > western Mass. are all in a very left-leaning region.
> > Dunno
> > > about Brattleboro per se, but Vermont tends to be pretty
>
> > > socialist these days too.
> > >
> > Not agreeing with conservatives or republicans is not
> > socialist...its called dissent
> >
>
>
> Have you ever actually spent any time in Vermont? Socialist
> is a bit of an understatement if anything. Check out Bernie
> Sanders' party affiliation.
>
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> in
> >
> > > western Mass. are all in a very left-leaning region.
> > Dunno
> > > about Brattleboro per se, but Vermont tends to be pretty
>
> > > socialist these days too.
> > >
> > Not agreeing with conservatives or republicans is not
> > socialist...its called dissent
> >
>
>
> Have you ever actually spent any time in Vermont? Socialist
> is a bit of an understatement if anything. Check out Bernie
> Sanders' party affiliation.
>
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