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Promote part 15 door to door

I have given out postcards door to door in my area. It did quite well compared to small front page ads on give aways.
 
> I have given out postcards door to door in my area. It did
> quite well compared to small front page ads on give aways.
>
Hey, nothing wrong with a grass-roots ad campaign like that. It's targeted, that's for sure. You may want to do it once a month and vary the campaign with some kind of promotional.

My plan is to record live local bands and air the recordings the following week and was thinking of having a banner made to put up in the club with the station logo, name, frequency and something to indicate that we're in the house. Then follow that up with an ad in the local paper indicating that we will be playing the concert on such and such a date. Maybe offer the recordings for sale as well as promotional give-aways.

Visibility is a key to attracting listeners (yeah I know, the FCC too. But there won't be anything in my set up that will be illegal).

db
 
FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

> > I have given out postcards door to door in my area. It did
>
> > quite well compared to small front page ads on give aways.
>
> >
> Hey, nothing wrong with a grass-roots ad campaign like that.
> It's targeted, that's for sure. You may want to do it once
> a month and vary the campaign with some kind of promotional.
>
>
> My plan is to record live local bands and air the recordings
> the following week and was thinking of having a banner made
> to put up in the club with the station logo, name, frequency
> and something to indicate that we're in the house. Then
> follow that up with an ad in the local paper indicating that
> we will be playing the concert on such and such a date.
> Maybe offer the recordings for sale as well as promotional
> give-aways.
>
> Visibility is a key to attracting listeners (yeah I know,
> the FCC too. But there won't be anything in my set up that
> will be illegal).
>
> db

I think that is the key of how not to be worried. Everything is legal they wont bother you. I have comfort in using a certified transmitter. I put it on all my ads. Truth is the odds of having a problem with the output that we have is remote. Add on to that of having a certifed transmitter, one can feel confident that they are a good path.
 
Re: FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

> I think that is the key of how not to be worried. Everything
> is legal they wont bother you. I have comfort in using a
> certified transmitter. I put it on all my ads. Truth is the
> odds of having a problem with the output that we have is
> remote. Add on to that of having a certifed transmitter, one
> can feel confident that they are a good path.
_______________

But there is more to being legal than having a certified transmitter. The transmitter also has to be used in a legal way, by connecting it to an antenna system whose radiating structure does not exceed 3 meters (including the total length of the conducting path from the tx chassis to physical earth).

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Re: FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

> > I think that is the key of how not to be worried.
> Everything
> > is legal they wont bother you. I have comfort in using a
> > certified transmitter. I put it on all my ads. Truth is
> the
> > odds of having a problem with the output that we have is
> > remote. Add on to that of having a certifed transmitter,
> one
> > can feel confident that they are a good path.
> _______________
>
> But there is more to being legal than having a certified
> transmitter. The transmitter also has to be used in a legal
> way, by connecting it to an antenna system whose radiating
> structure does not exceed 3 meters (including the total
> length of the conducting path from the tx chassis to
> physical earth).
>
Nevertheless as I said, they are not hunting for certified transmitters. Like cops that are looking for stolen cars are not looking for someone who has a windshield wiper that is on the blink
 
Re: FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

> > > I think that is the key of how not to be worried.
> > Everything
> > > is legal they wont bother you. I have comfort in using a
>
> > > certified transmitter. I put it on all my ads. Truth is
> > the
> > > odds of having a problem with the output that we have is
>
> > > remote. Add on to that of having a certifed transmitter,
>
> > one
> > > can feel confident that they are a good path.
> > _______________
> >
> > But there is more to being legal than having a certified
> > transmitter. The transmitter also has to be used in a
> legal
> > way, by connecting it to an antenna system whose radiating
>
> > structure does not exceed 3 meters (including the total
> > length of the conducting path from the tx chassis to
> > physical earth).
> >
> Nevertheless as I said, they are not hunting for certified
> transmitters. Like cops that are looking for stolen cars are
> not looking for someone who has a windshield wiper that is
> on the blink
>

So you believe that we both are in the same city running a part15 compliant transmitter, ie. 100mw, 3 meter antenna, and similar grounding system, except you are running a 'certified' transmitter and I'm running the SStran, that the FCC will stop by both our sites and review the equipment we have and you will be dismissed while I'll have a NAL or be told to stop transmitting or face fines? Is this the stance that you take? I can asssure you, you couldn't be more wrong, without starting another rant here about this issue as it's a dead horse being beaten again!

Radiopilot
 
Re: FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

> Nevertheless as I said, they are not hunting for certified
> transmitters. Like cops that are looking for stolen cars are
> not looking for someone who has a windshield wiper that is
> on the blink
______________

Using an elevated 3-meter antenna with a long ground path to physical earth for "Part 15" AM is nothing close to the broken wiper analogy. The greater radiation from an elevated antenna system can produce the same field strength as using a tx with 10X the power of a "certified" tx on a antenna that IS 3-meters long (including the path to physical earth).

To carry on with the stolen car analogy, the cops would see a car doing 100mph in a 35mph zone.

//
 
Re: FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

Well first of all if I was using my sstran and carl's antenna with the hose clamps I would not go more then two blocks. So I would not have that problem. In reference to certified and not certified I did not say not certified is illegal. The frame of our conversation here in reference to the law in
Florida that has many nervous. The idea of committing a felony via part 15. The point I was bringing out that if one accidentally crossed over the line of some other broadcast and was visted by the fcc, I think in that case where they were using a certified fcc unit they will be treated in a lighter fashion.
 
Re: FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

> > Nevertheless as I said, they are not hunting for certified
>
> > transmitters. Like cops that are looking for stolen cars
> are
> > not looking for someone who has a windshield wiper that is
>
> > on the blink
> ______________
>
> Using an elevated 3-meter antenna with a long ground path to
> physical earth for "Part 15" AM is nothing close to the
> broken wiper analogy. The greater radiation from an
> elevated antenna system can produce the same field strength
> as using a tx with 10X the power of a "certified" tx on a
> antenna that IS 3-meters long (including the path to
> physical earth).
>
> To carry on with the stolen car analogy, the cops would see
> a car doing 100mph in a 35mph zone.
>
I cannot tell you if is indeed the truth what you are saying, however I have conducted investigations for over 20 years as a PI. I do understand law enforcement and I also understand what is bothering the fcc here in florida. The are really upset at the pirates and I am sure they are getting alot of pressure from the radio stations in the area. Most stations in florida are priced in the millions of dollars and they dont want some dance club killing their signal every sat night. This is the priority.
> //
>
 
Re: FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

> Well first of all if I was using my sstran and carl's
> antenna with the hose clamps I would not go more then two
> blocks. So I would not have that problem. In reference to
> certified and not certified I did not say not certified is
> illegal. The frame of our conversation here in reference to
> the law in
> Florida that has many nervous. The idea of committing a
> felony via part 15. The point I was bringing out that if one
> accidentally crossed over the line of some other broadcast
> and was visted by the fcc, I think in that case where they
> were using a certified fcc unit they will be treated in a
> lighter fashion.
>

I would challenge anyone here if they went into South Florida with the Rangemaster, set up a part15 station there, broadcast for less than 1-2 weeks and see if you are not arrested or fines imposed on you, not by the FCC but by law enforcement officers who don't understand the FCC regulations regarding part15 certified equipment, and who is going to wait to go to trial to show them evidence that it's 'part15 type certified'!

Simple... no transmitting a broadcast message or music that is contrary to the views of the licensed broadcasters, that view is no broadcasting, pirate or legal... period!
 
Re: FCC is not hunting for certified transmitters

> > Well first of all if I was using my sstran and carl's> > antenna with the hose clamps I would not go more then two> > blocks. So I would not have that problem. In reference to> > certified and not certified I did not say not certified is> > > illegal. The frame of our conversation here in reference> to> > the law in > > Florida that has many nervous. The idea of committing a> > felony via part 15. The point I was bringing out that if> one> > accidentally crossed over the line of some other broadcast> > > and was visted by the fcc, I think in that case where they> > > were using a certified fcc unit they will be treated in a> > lighter fashion.> > > > I would challenge anyone here if they went into South> Florida with the Rangemaster, set up a part15 station there,> broadcast for less than 1-2 weeks and see if you are not> arrested or fines imposed on you, not by the FCC but by law> enforcement officers who don't understand the FCC> regulations regarding part15 certified equipment, and who is> going to wait to go to trial to show them evidence that it's> 'part15 type certified'! > > Simple... no transmitting a broadcast message or music that> is contrary to the views of the licensed broadcasters, that> view is no broadcasting, pirate or legal... period!> I still think it is funny to have just over 90 customers this year, and the two customers who had problems are also posters on this board..(people supposedly who know what they are doing)....Nevertheless, I've said it before and I'll say it again.......The FCC is NOT driving around the country looking for little tiny AM/FM signals they may not recognize....indeed they have a full schedule visiting the way over 10,000 licenced stations in the U.S.....the only illegal stations (and part 15's) they visit are the ones who are officially reported by a commercial radio station at this point.....again, if you know what you are doing, you won't pick a frequency with a nearby on-air station, and if you do, you totally deserve to be visited....in this case, no matter what you are operating, you will be asked to go off the air, and may get a fine if you don't...that is it; simple and easy...there is no more to it than that......when hooking up any part 15 equipment, be sure to read the instructions, understand them, and understand basic instruction and you will have no problem with a legal signal......time consuming, but not all that difficult for people with no radio experience whatsoever.......there is no solid rule of coverage for a part 15am; therefore if you run either a kit tx or a certified (both legal) and you choose to step all over a commercial AM and you may live in Florida, you will get a visit, especially in Miami..........but if you live in the 90% of the country that is not a city; not over-radio'ed and you operate legally, you won't hear anything about it from the FCC..why would you?....and if you think the FCC gives a rat's ass about the name of your transmitter, you are dead wrong: kind of like you wondering what your local FCC agent had for supper last night.....plain stupid.......so, if, for your holiday present you would like a visit from the FCC, broadcast on a local directional signal and get some nasty phone calls; otherwise, operate like a true part 15'er.......I have never built or sold a defective product, and I suppose if I wanted something for free, I would buy buyers insurance (something I didn't even know existed!) and get my money back...coool idea overall......but I've bought part 15 equipment from other folks, knew it was up to me to make it work, and I did.....and it is all legal.........Lastly, the sum of it's parts no matter what it's name, all part 15 equipment is basically the same; it all does the same thing for different prices.....some are easier to hook up (the 2000 models are easy) the cheaper ones require some work...it is all in what you choose to buy..For the sake of part 15 am broadcasting, I DO wish the best to all..and I do know that broadcasters such as Simcha really do have great intentions and ideas and share them with the group, and do well-planned broadcasts.....for this reason,(and all my antennas are exactly the same anyway), I go out of my way to build a more perfect antenna for anyone I know is a whiz at this biz......I'm confident that one day he will get it to work, then think, "gee, this is so easy, it was something I overlooked", and put his sstran on the air and totally love it.....I'm proud to say that my antenna is at schools (public and charity-oriented), hospitals, of course private homes, and in two huge outdoor movie theaters to name a few.............no matter;;;;;;from my family to all of yours, Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, and a Sucessful 2006!!<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected], [email protected],[email protected]</P>
 
Not very professional at all

"I have never built or sold a defective product, and I suppose if I wanted something for free, I would buy buyers insurance (something I didn't even know existed!) and get my money back...coool idea overall......but I've bought part 15 equipment from other folks, knew it was up to me to make it work, and I did.....and it is all legal......"

I think you are not professional at all. You belittle the fact a customer spent over a week of their time trusting your overbaked claims on your website. You sent the antenna with no hole for the wire to connect to the metal pipe...you told me to do it myself! The wire from the coil didnt reach the bottom of the copper pipe to install it to it...you told me i should i fix that as well. So i did those things and i did all the things you told me to do in the emails and I did all the things that sstran told me to do on the emails. I really wanted it to work and you kept up you encouragement and i kept at it until i spent so many days on it ..i felt like a fool for dealing with this thing. I did buy paypal insurance for satisfaction guarantee, and i invoked it after i tried to talk to you about it. To make it look like i am doing this to get something for free is plain old stupid! I have given over 50 thousand dollars for broadcasting in the past three years, I would not stoop to such things and you should be ashamed of such a statement.
 
Re: Not very professional at all

> "I have never built or sold a defective product, and I> suppose if I wanted something for free, I would buy buyers> insurance (something I didn't even know existed!) and get my> money back...coool idea overall......but I've bought part 15> equipment from other folks, knew it was up to me to make it> work, and I did.....and it is all legal......"> > I think you are not professional at all. You belittle the> fact a customer spent over a week of their time trusting> your overbaked claims on your website. You sent the antenna> with no hole for the wire to connect to the metal pipe...you> told me to do it myself! The wire from the coil didnt reach> the bottom of the copper pipe to install it to it...you told> me i should i fix that as well. So i did those things and i> did all the things you told me to do in the emails and I did> all the things that sstran told me to do on the emails. I> really wanted it to work and you kept up you encouragement> and i kept at it until i spent so many days on it ..i felt> like a fool for dealing with this thing. I did buy paypal> insurance for satisfaction guarantee, and i invoked it after> i tried to talk to you about it. To make it look like i am> doing this to get something for free is plain old stupid! I> have given over 50 thousand dollars for broadcasting in the> past three years, I would not stoop to such things and you> should be ashamed of such a statement.> Simcha, I'm totally not. I even offered you info on donating it and taking a deduction, however, it is true that I could have made a manufacturing mistake with your antenna. But I know You invested in a sstran, and I do think it is an excellent transmitter, and I also think it is an excellent antenna.Not only do I want you to think it is great, but I will do something to make good on it. I'll email you on it and try to make you happy.I build all of these things the same but I truly could have made a mistake with yours; it should have worked fine.I replace the parts you feel are not right. I hope this makes you happy, and inclined to try this again, because I do want you to be happy.Carl<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected], [email protected],[email protected]</P>
 
> I have given out postcards door to door in my area. It did
> quite well compared to small front page ads on give aways.
>

I adverised my Part 15 on the laundry room billbord at the mobile home court I live at. I even asked potential listeners to call me if they get my broadcast, so far no bites.
DON<P ID="signature">______________
The Laser...your home for the 2000 song playlist</P>
 
> > I have given out postcards door to door in my area. It did
>
> > quite well compared to small front page ads on give aways.
>
> >
>
> I adverised my Part 15 on the laundry room billbord at the
> mobile home court I live at. I even asked potential
> listeners to call me if they get my broadcast, so far no
> bites.
> DON
>
I found it most helpful to politely ask if they heard about the program and listen to their feedback. After asking a few people you should be able to gauge where the weak link is.
 
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