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Props to KTLK??

Gotta hand it to those Hate-Bush Mongers over at KTLK, they took the station from a .xx to a .xx in their first full book. I only know the 12+ numbers, with the exception of the article Glenn posted the other day, but still that is a pretty impressive feat. Since they are beating all of the AM sports channels including sister XTRA 570, it's hard to say they will be going anywhere soon. What could replace them at the same ratings level? I gotta assume it is mostly young males in the target demo who would listen, so it seems like a good sales add-on.

Programming-wise, these guys haven't changed from Day one. Hate Bush, Republicans bad (or some variation thereof, such as dirty, rotten, evil, liars, killers, Nazis). Gotta hand it to them, at least they stay focussed on the main message!

Ratings information deleted by moderator. You know better than that, Flip.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by KMRichards on 07/24/05 12:52 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> Gotta hand it to those Hate-Bush Mongers over at KTLK, they
> took the station from a .xx to a .xx in their first full book.
> I only know the 12+ numbers, with the exception of the
> article Glenn posted the other day, but still that is a
> pretty impressive feat. Since they are beating all of the AM
> sports channels including sister XTRA 570, it's hard to say
> they will be going anywhere soon. What could replace them at
> the same ratings level? I gotta assume it is mostly young
> males in the target demo who would listen, so it seems like
> a good sales add-on.
>
> Programming-wise, these guys haven't changed from Day one.
> Hate Bush, Republicans bad (or some variation thereof, such
> as dirty, rotten, evil, liars, killers, Nazis). Gotta hand
> it to them, at least they stay focussed on the main message!
>

Their biggest challenge is their base listens to NPR religiously. It's going to be impossible to ever get them to move over in droves. Most of my friends are liberals - yet I am the opposite (that makes for some wonderful battles). They aren't impressed with a commercial broadcaster vs. what they have become accustomed to. It's already peaked so don't look for much else from K-Talk.

Ratings information deleted (again) by moderator. Glenn, why didn't you catch this when you were quoting?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by KMRichards on 07/24/05 12:54 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> > Gotta hand it to those Hate-Bush Mongers over at KTLK,
> they
> > took the station from a .xx to a .xx in their first full
> book.
> > I only know the 12+ numbers, with the exception of the
> > article Glenn posted the other day, but still that is a
> > pretty impressive feat. Since they are beating all of the
> AM
> > sports channels including sister XTRA 570, it's hard to
> say
> > they will be going anywhere soon. What could replace them
> at
> > the same ratings level? I gotta assume it is mostly young
> > males in the target demo who would listen, so it seems
> like
> > a good sales add-on.
> >
> > Programming-wise, these guys haven't changed from Day one.
>
> > Hate Bush, Republicans bad (or some variation thereof,
> such
> > as dirty, rotten, evil, liars, killers, Nazis). Gotta hand
>
> > it to them, at least they stay focussed on the main
> message!
> >
>
> Their biggest challenge is their base listens to NPR
> religiously. It's going to be impossible to ever get them to
> move over in droves. Most of my friends are liberals - yet I
> am the opposite (that makes for some wonderful battles).
> They aren't impressed with a commercial broadcaster vs. what
> they have become accustomed to. It's already peaked so don't
> look for much else from K-Talk.
>

Yes, they do listen to NPR. But to say it's already peaked is very general. KCBS-FM went down from May to June, does that mean its peaked? Maybe, maybe not. If you looked at Indie nine months ago, it looked liked it peaked, but then they added some new features and marketed the station and now they're bigger than ever. Anytime you have a new product - especially if it's never been done before - it's trial and error.

Ratings information deleted by moderator. Maybe you guys should stop quoting entire posts indiscriminately? I know you all know better ...
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by KMRichards on 07/24/05 12:55 AM.</FONT></P>
 
or you can just re-phrase slightly, and we're talking about the right:

Programming-wise, these guys haven't changed from Day one.
Hate Kerry, Democrats bad (or some variation thereof, such
as dirty, rotten, evil, liars, tax & spend tree-huggers). Gotta hand
it to them, at least they stay focussed on the main message!

<P ID="signature">______________
you're not a lawyer, are you?</P>
 
> Their biggest challenge is their base listens to NPR
> religiously.

I see you listen to too much conservative talking point radio.....the echo chamber has your ear again...try to develop your own opinion for once...instead of letting someone build it for you....NPR appeals to all..not just libs..


It's going to be impossible to ever get them to
> move over in droves. Most of my friends are liberals - yet I
> am the opposite (that makes for some wonderful battles)

I doubt they like dealing with you ....but if you do have liberal friends they must be long suffering...


> They aren't impressed with a commercial broadcaster vs. what
> they have become accustomed to. It's already peaked so don't
> look for much else from K-Talk.

Far from it... there seems to be a ground swell of support for Liberal / Progressive radio...AAR is just one part of the picture....Schultz is doing well, and more new hosts are entering the arena....sorry to crush your dream but Lib radio is back....baybee! Not going away anytime soon....
 
> > Their biggest challenge is their base listens to NPR
> > religiously.
>
> I see you listen to too much conservative talking point
> radio.....the echo chamber has your ear again...try to
> develop your own opinion for once...instead of letting
> someone build it for you....NPR appeals to all..not just
> libs..
>
>

You know...this line gets REAL old. Perhaps people actually AGREE with the so called talking points. Perhaps they actually have put thought into it, and these are their actual feelings. Perhaps it is based in FACT.


> It's going to be impossible to ever get them to
> > move over in droves. Most of my friends are liberals - yet
> I
> > am the opposite (that makes for some wonderful battles)
>
> I doubt they like dealing with you ....but if you do have
> liberal friends they must be long suffering...
>
>
> > They aren't impressed with a commercial broadcaster vs.
> what
> > they have become accustomed to. It's already peaked so
> don't
> > look for much else from K-Talk.
>
> Far from it... there seems to be a ground swell of support
> for Liberal / Progressive radio...AAR is just one part of
> the picture....Schultz is doing well, and more new hosts are
> entering the arena....sorry to crush your dream but Lib
> radio is back....baybee! Not going away anytime soon....
>


A ground swell???? OK shall we look at all of the AAR station ratings???? Not exactly lighting the place on fire, and most have peaked and then dropped a little.

Is liberal talk back? Yes. Should there be more? Yes. Should it go away? Hell no. Anything that brings listeners to radio, especially AM radio is a good thing.

**NO actual ratings were listed in this post. Therefore it qualifies as a RATINGS FREE POST**
 
> > > Their biggest challenge is their base listens to NPR
> > > religiously.
> >
> > I see you listen to too much conservative talking point
> > radio.....the echo chamber has your ear again...try to
> > develop your own opinion for once...instead of letting
> > someone build it for you....NPR appeals to all..not just
> > libs..
> >
> >
>
> You know...this line gets REAL old. Perhaps people actually
> AGREE with the so called talking points. Perhaps they
> actually have put thought into it, and these are their
> actual feelings. Perhaps it is based in FACT.
>
>
> > It's going to be impossible to ever get them to
> > > move over in droves. Most of my friends are liberals -
> yet
> > I
> > > am the opposite (that makes for some wonderful battles)
> >
> > I doubt they like dealing with you ....but if you do have
> > liberal friends they must be long suffering...
> >
> >
> > > They aren't impressed with a commercial broadcaster vs.
> > what
> > > they have become accustomed to. It's already peaked so
> > don't
> > > look for much else from K-Talk.
> >
> > Far from it... there seems to be a ground swell of support
>
> > for Liberal / Progressive radio...AAR is just one part of
> > the picture....Schultz is doing well, and more new hosts
> are
> > entering the arena....sorry to crush your dream but Lib
> > radio is back....baybee! Not going away anytime soon....
> >
>
>
> A ground swell???? OK shall we look at all of the AAR
> station ratings???? Not exactly lighting the place on fire,
> and most have peaked and then dropped a little.
>
> Is liberal talk back? Yes. Should there be more? Yes.
> Should it go away? Hell no. Anything that brings listeners
> to radio, especially AM radio is a good thing.
>
> **NO actual ratings were listed in this post. Therefore it
> qualifies as a RATINGS FREE POST**
>

Very true about AAR. It isn't burning up the airwaves (and it is still losing a ton of cash). In New York, for example, some of the liberal yackers shows dropped nearly 50% in their key demos. 42-48% drops. That is cataclysmic. It's like all the liberals disappeared or went back in hiding...I wish.

I am not sure liberal talk radio can sustain itself. National advertisers have not warmed up to it and, for Los Angeles, it's still mostly a bonus to buying KFI (similar situation in San Diego). New York is a stand-alone AM not sold in combo with WBLS and is having a very difficult time finding advertisers. San Francisco faces the problem of both Clear Channel talk stations not doing well. Just a few examples. But as we've seen in special Arbitron surverys, the NPR station in SF would rate #1 or #2. And KCRW here would get a 3 share 12+ here.

Thanks for your post. A sense of reality after...well, we know.

From the previous poster, NPR appeals to all...what a hoot!
 
Re: KTLK Fixable, on Life-Support or DOA

I'm a former news-talk production director and program director
who's been watching and listening to AAR since it stumbled into
America's media consciousness and reading this board for about a
year.


Being a former news-talk production and program director (who's now back in music radio), I can't help but watch with interest what AAR and stations like KTLK have done. From 1990-200, I worked for WGR Newsradio 55 in Buffalo, which was consulted by Critical Mass Media and the esteemed Randy Michaels, who grew up in the Buffalo suburb of Hamburg, NY. It was at WGR that I became familiar with the Clear Channel talk radio stylebook. Love it or hate it (as many do), revere it or dismiss it, the style book was interesting and as informative and
as the McLendon, Q or Drake stylebooks that were developed for CHR.


In the ten years that I worked for WGR (owned first by local broadcasters, then sold to Keymarket, River City, Sinclair Television and eventually Entercom), WGR had a pronounced conservative lean. What a surprise, ehh? More surprising that some politicians would call and ask how I, a registered democrat, could tolerate such drivel. Yet WGR drew listeners from both sides of the
aisle because it was entertaining and it had a rock n' roll, spontaneous attitude. It had to, it up against WBEN, the established news-talker that was largely
50 to 60+.


While the WGR talk show hosts weren't anywhere near as extreme as what might be heard in NY and LA, they were nonetheless opinionated. The WGR news department was objective and aggressive, and the station had a sports affiliation with the NFL and NHL, which helped bring in different listeners and non-exclusive cume.


Let me also say, we were far from a perfect radio station. We had plenty of warts. Oh, and so this doesn't sound like a friggin' resume, I was anything but the perfect PD. "Mistakes," as Frank sang, "I made a few..." Some people though I'd lost my mind when I hired Ron Dobson from KSTE to do middays and was one of the first PDs in the country to put on John & Ken when they were doing syndication. I thought they were entertaining and half nuts.Their show ran 6-10 p.m. here. It started slow but was building respectable numbers when J&K walked away from syndication to do mornings at KABC. It also helped that they actually knew where Buffalo was... having worked in Elmira and Ken having graduated from the University at
Buffalo.


WGR was flipped to sports after it was purchased in 2000 by the competition (Entercom) which owned WBEN, I got my free pass to the beach and returned to Classic Rock and production where I've been ever since.


AAR has made many mistakes along the way and they don't need to be catalogued in this space because most of us radio geeks are familiar with them, regardless of our political
leanings.


From what I've heard, AAR needs to become more entertaining... as
entertaining as it is ideological. The AAR line-up is talented, but for the most part, the only personality that has the radio smarts and passion is Randi Rhodes. She knows the drill, and knows how to work the push-pull of talk radio. The rest of the AAR line-up could learn something just by listening to Rhodes' show and having a PD or producer point out what she's doing and how she's doing it.


KTLK? I live in Buffalo, so I won't presume to know anything more than what I read in the trades, on this board or hear on the mp3's my brother, who lives in LA, sends me. Buffal is yet to sign on a progressive talker, but it's only a matter of time until Ed Schultz and Jerry Springer show up on one of Entercom's two music AMs that now turn less than a 2 share.


From what I've heard, KTLK seems to need some balls to the wall attitude. Yeah, some serious promotion wouldn't hurt, either. It needs to be entertaining, more than political. At this point, you're probably poised to flame away with something like <font face="book antiqua">"what the hell would a rube from Buffalo know about Los Angeles..."</font> and you'd likely have a point. I'm just saying that the station needs the fire, passion and entertainment attitude that guys like John & Ken, sports pimp Jim Rome, Ed Schultz and some of the established conservative bring to their shows. It wouldn't hurt to have some younger people on the air like Rhodes and it could only help to have people with brains and radio production savvy.


Yeah, you're right. <font face="book antiqua">"If only it were that easy, dude, you wouldn't be working in Buffalo!"</font>
It's not like I'm the first guy to think and write it. If only it could be done.


If you'll excuse me, I'll post this and head out to shovel the five inches of snow we got last night.
 
See what happens when you listen to KFI all day? You become a hateful moron, and say things like post 1.

> "Gotta hand it to those Hate-Bush Mongers ... blah blah blah ..." <

Asking someone with a mindset like this is like asking a greasemonkey to fix a jet engine.

Which, of course, is what's all wrong with KTLK.

The idiots at the Conglomerated Radio factory are not going to be able in their wildest dreams to program all liberal talk station that appeals to the NPR listener.

KTLK is everything that a Liberal hates about commercial radio. The commercials are stupid, the traffic reports are insipid, the community involvement is subzero, I could go on and on it.

The hourly newscast are a collection of trivia and drivel. Listening to the A A R newscasts on XM could teach the minimum wage newsreaders at KTLK how to reach people with more than 6 brain cells.

Asking thinking people to find any reason at all to listen to AM radio is futility. AAR is one of the heaviest downloads on the net, and hoping that a generation of computer users is going to wade through the right-wing hate, foreign language, IBOC static and dollar-a-minute religious hypocrite on a 60 year-old technology is just plain ridiculous.

No, we Liberals learned long ago that only morons stuck with AM radios in their delivery routes had any reason to listen to the quaint old notion of AM radio. People DO NOT listen to AM radio anymore - KFI and its ilk have the toilet ring audience in a crapper that's already been flushed.

Randi Rhodes, bless her heart, with her "Dr. Laura for the masses" message, gets smeared in this market by KCRW, KPCC and other public radio.

And if you go by the oldfashioned drfinition of "liberals" versus conservative, where liberal means being open to ideas and chnage, then you are better than by goddamned right that NPR is liberal.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 07/24/05 10:21 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: See what happens when you listen to KFI all day? You become a hateful moron, and say things like post 1.

Zuma,

I don't understand your stream of conscience post and I rather doubt you do either.

The point of the original post clearly was to give KTLK, and by extension, Air America, their props in spite of their myopic (even by your view) programming.

Dude, as I have asked before, please read the posts before you go off on your tangents.




> > "Gotta hand it to those Hate-Bush Mongers ... blah blah
> blah ..." <
>
> Asking someone with a mindset like this is like asking a
> greasemonkey to fix a jet engine.
>
> Which, of course, is what's all wrong with KTLK.
>
> The idiots at the Conglomerated Radio factory are not going
> to be able in their wildest dreams to program all liberal
> talk station that appeals to the NPR listener.
>
> KTLK is everything that a Liberal hates about commercial
> radio. The commercials are stupid, the traffic reports are
> insipid, the community involvement is subzero, I could go
> on and on it.
>
> The hourly newscast are a collection of trivia and drivel.
> Listening to the A A R newscasts on XM could teach the
> minimum wage newsreaders at KTLK how to reach people with
> more than 6 brain cells.
>
> Asking thinking people to find any reason at all to listen
> to AM radio is futility. AAR is one of the heaviest
> downloads on the net, and hoping that a generation of
> computer users is going to wade through the right-wing hate,
> foreign language, IBOC static and dollar-a-minute
> religious hypocrite on a 60 year-old technology is just
> plain ridiculous.
>
> No, we Liberals learned long ago that only morons stuck with
> AM radios in their delivery routes had any reason to listen
> to the quaint old notion of AM radio. People DO NOT listen
> to AM radio anymore - KFI and its ilk have the toilet ring
> audience in a crapper that's already been flushed.
>
> Randi Rhodes, bless her heart, with her "Dr. Laura for the
> masses" message, gets smeared in this market by KCRW, KPCC
> and other public radio.
>
> And if you go by the oldfashioned drfinition of "liberals"
> versus conservative, where liberal means being open to ideas
> and chnage, then you are better than by goddamned right that
> NPR is liberal.
>
 
Re: Another truthless statement.

>
> No, we Liberals learned long ago that only morons stuck with
> AM radios in their delivery routes had any reason to listen
> to the quaint old notion of AM radio. People DO NOT listen
> to AM radio anymore - KFI and its ilk have the toilet ring
> audience in a crapper that's already been flushed.

AM cumes 35% of all adults in LA. Their listenr income breaks compares well with FM, especially in 35+
 
> > > > Their biggest challenge is their base listens to NPR
> > > > religiously.
> > >
> > > I see you listen to too much conservative talking point
> > > radio.....the echo chamber has your ear again...try to
> > > develop your own opinion for once...instead of letting
> > > someone build it for you....NPR appeals to all..not just
>
> > > libs..
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You know...this line gets REAL old. Perhaps people
> actually
> > AGREE with the so called talking points. Perhaps they
> > actually have put thought into it, and these are their
> > actual feelings. Perhaps it is based in FACT.
> >
> >
> > > It's going to be impossible to ever get them to
> > > > move over in droves. Most of my friends are liberals -
>
> > yet
> > > I
> > > > am the opposite (that makes for some wonderful
> battles)
> > >
> > > I doubt they like dealing with you ....but if you do
> have
> > > liberal friends they must be long suffering...
> > >
> > >
> > > > They aren't impressed with a commercial broadcaster
> vs.
> > > what
> > > > they have become accustomed to. It's already peaked so
>
> > > don't
> > > > look for much else from K-Talk.
> > >
> > > Far from it... there seems to be a ground swell of
> support
> >
> > > for Liberal / Progressive radio...AAR is just one part
> of
> > > the picture....Schultz is doing well, and more new hosts
>
> > are
> > > entering the arena....sorry to crush your dream but Lib
> > > radio is back....baybee! Not going away anytime soon....
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > A ground swell???? OK shall we look at all of the AAR
> > station ratings???? Not exactly lighting the place on
> fire,
> > and most have peaked and then dropped a little.
> >
> > Is liberal talk back? Yes. Should there be more? Yes.
> > Should it go away? Hell no. Anything that brings
> listeners
> > to radio, especially AM radio is a good thing.
> >
> > **NO actual ratings were listed in this post. Therefore
> it
> > qualifies as a RATINGS FREE POST**
> >
>
> Very true about AAR. It isn't burning up the airwaves (and
> it is still losing a ton of cash). In New York, for example,
> some of the liberal yackers shows dropped nearly 50% in
> their key demos. 42-48% drops. That is cataclysmic. It's
> like all the liberals disappeared or went back in hiding...I
> wish.
>
> I am not sure liberal talk radio can sustain itself.
> National advertisers have not warmed up to it and, for Los
> Angeles, it's still mostly a bonus to buying KFI (similar
> situation in San Diego). New York is a stand-alone AM not
> sold in combo with WBLS and is having a very difficult time
> finding advertisers. San Francisco faces the problem of both
> Clear Channel talk stations not doing well. Just a few
> examples. But as we've seen in special Arbitron surverys,
> the NPR station in SF would rate #1 or #2. And KCRW here
> would get a 3 share 12+ here.
>
> Thanks for your post. A sense of reality after...well, we
> know.
>
> From the previous poster, NPR appeals to all...what a hoot!
>


In all fairness to AAR all talk formats are down these days. I guess people got tired of all of the pundants calling each other liars.
 
Has anyone actually listened to KTLK?

I've seen a lot of commentary on "will it fly" or "liberal talk can't sell", but nothing on the actual aesthetic of the station, namely, it's hosts and content.

KTLK has 6 hours per weekday of Jones and local weekend hosts and fill-ins, it is not a cookie-cutter AirAmerica.

Does the thing sound good?

That's what matters--all this "Like Jack, it's dead in 9 months" or "it's peaked", that's a lot of amateur-hour wannabe PD's sniffing their own farts.
 
>Programming-wise, these guys haven't changed from Day one. Hate Bush, Republicans bad (or some variation thereof, such as dirty, rotten, evil, liars, killers, Nazis). Gotta hand it to them, at least they stay focussed on the main message!

Unlike the love shown by the Hate Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Democrats are bad(or some variation thereof, such as dirty, rotten, evil, liars, killers, Communists) Conservatives on Right Wing radio 247.

The big problem I see for Air America is that Liberals (which I am one of) don't listen to AM Talk radio. I know the AA station in Portland gets pretty good numbers and KGO is a radio leader but most Liberals I know have no interest in listening to talk radio of any kind except maybe sports. It doesn't help that AM talk radio has been hostile to Liberals for the last 10 years. More than that however is the fact that Liberals for the most part have other outlets for expressing political ideas including TV, Movies and Music. As much as I hope Air America succeeds, I don't see myself spending anytime listening to it. The only thing I would listen to even less is Right Wing radio.
 
Case proved.

Liberals aren't allowed to criticise K-TALK?

I get it. Dittohead college has trained you that dissent from the daily talking points is not allowed.

See what happens when you listen to KFI all day?
 
Re: Another truthless statement.

> AM cumes 35% of all adults in LA. Their listenr income
> breaks compares well with FM, especially in 35+
>

Que bueno.
 
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