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Inside Radio said:
NAB corrals 72 House members.
A letter signed by 72 house members is on its way to the FCC, the DOJ and the FTC opposing the proposed XM-Sirius merger. Written by Reps. Gene Greene (D-TX) and Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) at the behest of the NAB - the letter says the merger "would create a monopoly which would be devastating to consumers." Among the 72 who signed the letter - 47 are Democrats. The other 25 are in the GOP.

"...would create a monopoly which would be devastating to consumers."

::)

The poor NAB. The poor terrestrial radio monoliths. A moment of reverent silence for Clear Channel, Entercom, CBS, Citadel, Cumulus and Emmis, protectors and defenders of broadcasting in the public interest, convenience and necessity. How will they ever survive if the XM-Sirius merger is approved by the FCC, DOJ and FTC. The whole kettle of fish reeks of hypocrisy. It should be to no one's surprise, this being the way legislation and legislators are influenced in Washington.

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Element9 said:
Inside Radio said:
NAB corrals 72 House members.
A letter signed by 72 house members is on its way to the FCC, the DOJ and the FTC opposing the proposed XM-Sirius merger. Written by Reps. Gene Greene (D-TX) and Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) at the behest of the NAB - the letter says the merger "would create a monopoly which would be devastating to consumers." Among the 72 who signed the letter - 47 are Democrats. The other 25 are in the GOP.

"...would create a monopoly which would be devastating to consumers."

::)

The poor NAB. The poor terrestrial radio monoliths. A moment of reverent silence for Clear Channel, Entercom, CBS, Citadel, Cumulus and Emmis, protectors and defenders of broadcasting in the public interest, convenience and necessity. How will they ever survive if the XM-Sirius merger is approved by the FCC, DOJ and FTC. The whole kettle of fish reeks of hypocrisy. It should be to no one's surprise, this being the way legislation and legislators are influenced in Washington.

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I don't know why anyone cares about this. Clear Channel, Entercom, CBS, Citabel, Cumulus, Cox, and Emmis aren't going anywhere (unfortunately). It's not like we have to have Satellite Radio so let them be a monopoly. The NAB isn't thinking this one through. The merger would probably create more customer unrest and service would suffer since there would be no competition.

People who pay for radio have too much money anyway!

The radio groups need to concern themselves with improving their product.
 
Mike Sheridan said:
The radio groups need to concern themselves with improving their product.

But, they have no time for that because they have their heads buried in the sand. Everything is okey-dokey in radio-land because radio is invincible! ::)
 
ThePickleReport said:
But, they have no time for that because they have their heads buried in the sand. Everything is okey-dokey in radio-land because radio is invincible! ::)

That's right-keep playing those same researched songs, doing the predictable, ridiculously named contests and keep the breaks at 20 and 50 and they'll keep right on shrinking the audience. In other words, keep not giving people a reason to listen and they eventually won't.
 
ThePickleReport said:
Mike Sheridan said:
The radio groups need to concern themselves with improving their product.

But, they have no time for that because they have their heads buried in the sand. Everything is okey-dokey in radio-land because radio is invincible! ::)

Not surprisingly, "everything is okey-dokey in radio-land" when it's viewed from the top floor corner office. There's a certain myopia that is exhibited by all radio companies, which seem to view the customer-listener from the perspective of "we know what the listener wants."

Really?

Like GM, Ford and Chrysler knew the public wanted more SUV's, land barges and gas guzzlers, which off course led to Toyota and Honda being the top automibile retailers in America?

Keep up the good work, radio honchos. Your platinum parachutes may serve you well, but they'll prove harmful to the industry (as if radio manufactures steel, I prefer "business" or "sector") in the long haul.

It seems to me that radio is being programmed by business men and women (GM's, SM's and maybe even Business Managers in some companies) solely for the people who continue to listen to AM & FM land-based radio and most assuredly for the short-haul. On face value, this is not a bad strategy, "try to get as many bodies who turn on the radio to listen to station 'A' more often and for longer periods than they might listen to station 'B'." Problem is, this business model ignores the people who no longer listen to radio because it doesn't serve their needs for new music, personality, news, sports and information. This particular group grows a little bit more each year and includes young men and women and baby boomers who've moved to other sources of music and entertainment.

It may explain NPR's robust numbers, much of them credited to land based radio. Admittedly, this is contrary to my theory of AM & FM losing listeners, but it goes to the supposition that boomers are searching for more than what's out there on many commercial outlets.
 
SpareChange said:
It may explain NPR's robust numbers, much of them credited to land based radio. Admittedly, this is contrary to my theory of AM & FM losing listeners, but it goes to the supposition that boomers are searching for more than what's out there on many commercial outlets.

Check out Walrus Research's Audience 2010 report. Things don't bode so well for NPR, either. Upward momentum has peaked and some key stations in major markets have seen significant declines.
 
Wow I can't find anything here to disagree with. Are we a bunch of old crabby geezers or what? ;D

Seriously, before I even logged on I was thinking about this subject tonight and there are things that are very wrong with radio which need to be addressed.

Listeners:

Why do listeners say in focus groups there is too much talk on the radio when most of the stations have cut talk to the bone? Then complain that the station or the jock is boring! Is the radio station asking the wrong question? Do they need to clarify the question and ask if the listener is referring to jock talk or commercials?

Why do listeners say they don't want to hear the same songs over and over then tune out when the playlist is made larger?

I have been told the reaearch says listeners are willing to put up with 2 long spot sets of they can have long music sweeps. I'm not sure I believe this one and I sure wouldn't want to be the guy with the spot last in the stopset!

Stations:

Why do you even have jocks if you won't let them say anything meaningful.

Do you think the listener wants to hear the jock say your station plays the most music, best music, etc. (zzzz)

There is at least one station I know of that every time the jock does talk it's a liner that references the station web site. This station programs to adult females and complains they don't get enough hits on their web site. News flash folks, women in this age group are working and either don't have time to visit your site or might get in trouble for surfing the internet on company time. Most adult women I know have a life and stay far away from the computer when they get off work. If they do get on the computer it's to send mail to friends, they couldn't care less about your web site for the most part or whatever you are trying to sell them on it.

Stop programming to numbers and start programming to people. Radio can be the most personal of mediums, certainly more so than TV ever can. Talk to the listener not at them. Make sure your jocks are having a good time on the air, if they are then the listener does too, It becomes one big party with your friends. Joey Reynolds always sounded like he was having a great time on the air at KB it was a one man party. That's why he's remembered in Buffalo from his work at KB that was a very long time ago. People always said he talked too much!

Ratings are great for getting the buy. If you burry the advertiser's spot in a long spot set you both lose. They won't get results and either won't want to or won't be able to place another buy. Are you in it for the long haul or the quick buck?

I never could understand why stations play spots at :20 & :50. Yes I know about sweeping across the quarter hours but do listeners really put down they were listening to station X from 11:07 to 11:22? Don't they just estimate what time they were listening. I will admit this could be an issue with the PPM.

Why do stations seem to program to the passive listener rather than fans who are active listeners and really care about what they are listening to (when you give them a reason to care that is). The active listener is your greatest promo for the station.

Once I got out of radio for awhile I found some of this stuff kind of silly, but what do you think? If I'm wrong I won't be offended if you say so.

MS
 
Mike Sheridan said:
Why do listeners say in focus groups there is too much talk on the radio when most of the stations have cut talk to the bone? Then complain that the station or the jock is boring! Is the radio station asking the wrong question? Do they need to clarify the question and ask if the listener is referring to jock talk or commercials?

Why do listeners say they don't want to hear the same songs over and over then tune out when the playlist is made larger?

I have been told the reaearch says listeners are willing to put up with 2 long spot sets of they can have long music sweeps. I'm not sure I believe this one and I sure wouldn't want to be the guy with the spot last in the stopset!

Of course they are complaining about commercials when they refer to talk on music-oriented stations. And when a station is using some voice-tracked "works for every market" announcer with absolutely zero personality because they are in a city far, far away, no surprises there either. They aren't fooling listeners.

And listeners are happy to say yes to long sweeps of music followed by long stopsets, because as soon as the ad cluster begins, they do the same thing people do at home with TV - change the station. And a lot of them are very good at learning just how long an ad cluster runs, so they dump out of a station when it begins and know approximately when it is safe for them to return.

Do you think the listener wants to hear the jock say your station plays the most music, best music, etc. (zzzz)

And if the jock isn't doing it, the cookie cutter sound-effect-plex with the echo/reverb-enhanced guy, name dropping the slogan every few songs doesn't add anything either.

I think what is different about satellite radio is they have no reason to lie to their listeners about what they are. Everyone knows they are programmed somewhere else and the programming is the same nationwide. And they use that concept to build their radio community. The XM "family" for example. Many music channels have very good personalities who shout out to listeners who call or e-mail in. They know the music. They understand listeners coming and going from their channels and don't mind it. And of course, on most channels, no ads.

I think what XM and Sirius demonstrate is that people so loathe what corporate radio -is- these days that they'll pay some serious money every month to get as far away from it as possible. And the NAB and the cluster owners can whine about it all they like, but they have little foundation to stand on when they argue they represent "local radio" because in more and more instances, they lie. The only thing "local" is some of the advertising and the call letters. But they lie to everyone - starting with the FCC when they apply for a license to put a new station on the air. They claim this distant suburb is underserved by the primary stations in the market and needs to have a station to provide a "local voice," so the FCC hands them a license to open their rimshot station - the cluster that owns it considers it the B team, and dumps a 24/7 automated format on it to counter-program against another cluster in the market. Local service indeed.

On the TV side, every uncommitted block of time on a local station is handed over to an infomercial - forget about investing in syndicated stuff - they have basically handed that to basic cable these days. And now that they've squeezed more and more time out of shows to increase ad inventory, they're surprised we've adapted with time-shifting to FF through ads or used the remote to channel surf when the ad chunk turns up. The equivalent has now happened with radio as people discover alternatives to the "let's run this thing as cheap as we can to reap maximum profits" mentality - be that satellite radio, the iPod, or just channel surfing the radio dial.
 
Lemme give you, Phil and Mike, an "Amen, Brother!" But me thinks this thread amounts to a bit of preaching to the choir. I still listen to AM & FM... and I do exactly what listeners have done since Delco put buttons on their car radios... push the buttons when the commercials come on... but not always... sometimes I'm so busy, the station and seven minutes of commercials stay on. A sales guy I used to work with was fond of saying, "It's the commercials that keep us in business and pay you guys..." I used to reply, "maybe, but NOBODY ever called a radio station to request a commercial!"

Seems to me that news and sports talk radio get a pass on this because whether it's news, a talk show or commercials, it's all talk anyway... yammer, yammer, yammer, blah, blah, blah... so, nothing changes. Hmmm, except now that I think about it, I do bounce back and forth from WBEN to WBFO, WNED-AM, WWKB... and when I'm REALLY desperate, WGR at times.
 
Mike Sheridan said:
Ratings are great for getting the buy. If you burry the advertiser's spot in a long spot set you both lose. They won't get results and either won't want to or won't be able to place another buy. Are you in it for the long haul or the quick buck?

There's a great rant by the head of Greater Media (Peter Smyth) here:

http://www.greatermedia.com/corner/index.html

"The true value of a radio salesperson is the experience, advice and creativity he or she brings to the advertiser's problem."

Nicely said.
 
Radknowski said:
Lemme give you, Phil and Mike, an "Amen, Brother!" But me thinks this thread amounts to a bit of preaching to the choir. I still listen to AM & FM... and I do exactly what listeners have done since Delco put buttons on their car radios... push the buttons when the commercials come on...

Seems to me that news and sports talk radio get a pass on this because whether it's news, a talk show or commercials, it's all talk anyway... yammer, yammer, yammer, blah, blah, blah... so, nothing changes. Hmmm, except now that I think about it, I do bounce back and forth from WBEN to WBFO, WNED-AM, WWKB... and when I'm REALLY desperate, WGR at times.

Anybody remember, "The station that eliminated the need for push button radio"...? Now that was a great liner!

The news/sports/talk stations don't get a pass from me. The news/talk station in the market I live in plays way too many commercials when I'm looking for news so I go over to NPR. I guess lots of other people are doing the same thing becuase the NPR station is starting to beat the big N/T station in morning drive here.
 
ThePickleReport said:
There's a great rant by the head of Greater Media (Peter Smyth) here:

http://www.greatermedia.com/corner/index.html

"The true value of a radio salesperson is the experience, advice and creativity he or she brings to the advertiser's problem."

Nicely said.

Yes, a sales guy I worked with and respect said the same thing. He looked at the total picture to promote the advertiser's business. He didn't sell the ratings, (even though the station had them but lets face it just about every station goes up and down) he sold service.
 
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