Providence Numbers - Fall 2007

[primativeradgod]

Ok. Got these from a friend. Take them. Leave them. Grain of salt.. Whatever. Figure we could use something to talk about.. They told me numbers, but I know you can't post those that aren't released .. so here's the sketch.

12+ Numbers.. Top 5
1. Lite
2. ProFM
3. B101
4. HJY
5. CTK

Talk Stations:

WPRO
Depetro down a bunch.
Buddy did well - as expected.
Dan slightly down - but only a hair.

WHJJ
Mornings is up.
Rush did very well too
Hannity is up.

WALE
Couldn't find them in the book...

Like I said, I didn't see the book - this is just how it was explained to me.. Discuss.

 

[Dighton Rockhead]

WALE
Couldn't find them in the book...

They probably should have looked under "ballena" (whale in Spanish)...

But seriously, since "Amor" 990 didn't even emerge from darkness until the first or second week of November, a good portion of the fall rating period had already passed before sign-on......not that I'm actually expecting them to post any numbers ever, but......

They're really not fooling anyone. The format is just a place-holder until "The Idiots In Control" either figure out something else to do with it, or sell it off.

 

[Kenny Atkinson]

Ok. Got these from a friend. Take them. Leave them. Grain of salt.. Whatever. Figure we could use something to talk about.. They told me numbers, but I know you can't post those that aren't released .. so here's the sketch.

12+ Numbers.. Top 5
1. Lite
2. ProFM
3. B101
4. HJY
5. CTK

Talk Stations:

WPRO
Depetro down a bunch.
Buddy did well - as expected.
Dan slightly down - but only a hair.

WHJJ
Mornings is up.
Rush did very well too
Hannity is up.

WALE
Couldn't find them in the book...

Like I said, I didn't see the book - this is just how it was explained to me.. Discuss.

Same ol Same ol, Was nt CTK #1 at one piont not two long ago.

As for WHJJ doing good. You have got to be kidding me with that morning show.Is someone being paid to fill out a diary because I don't know of anyone who listens to HJJ.Not unless those numbers are actually Helen's.If that's the case she should be in a better time slot.

 

[jlehmann]

Same ol Same ol, Was nt CTK #1 at one piont not two long ago.

As for WHJJ doing good. You have got to be kidding me with that morning show.Is someone being paid to fill out a diary because I don't know of anyone who listens to HJJ.Not unless those numbers are actually Helen's.If that's the case she should be in a better time slot.

Wow, how can B101 possible be that high in the ratings? WCTK should be #1, they're the best sounding station, by far... in my opinion.

 

[wknd92]

Without knowing what the spring and summer books looked like, no idea what these mean (also w/o knowing the actual numbers either. there could be .1 diff between all stations....and WHJJ up in the mornings could be nothing more than a .2-.5 difference which, if rumors of a sub 1 rating previously, would look huge; but in reality mean very little

 

[McRadio]

I can see HJJ's morning numbers being up. First they're now local. Second let's face it. DePetro isn't the most likeable or listenable person on the radio even to listeners who know nothing about him. StPierre had a good presentation, had been in the AM drive shift for a while, and really never did anything to turn people off. Neither morning show (WPRO or WHJJ) is all that strong now but some may flock away from JDP rather than to Helen.

 

[Seekonk Sally]

Wknd,

I have seen the numbers, sorry to disappoint you, but it is not fractions of rating points on HJJ. We're talking about increases across the primes of 2-3 points. The dreamteam line-up on Pro did not deliver versus the cost bottom line. A certain Farid will not be happy looking at his checkbook versus the no cost syndicated programing on HJJ sorry as that is. Buddy had a number, but not what he should have had considering all the hype and anticipation in the market. As the prior poster noted, JD is misplaced in morning drive. Ron St.Pierre ran a top shelf program in that slot for years. John is not the guy you want to wake up to, and now with Imus cutting in, it will further chop up the audience. The big winners for Citadel were Lite and Pro-Fm, they burried Coast.

 

[aqualung]

Getting into the mentality of a news and talk station's average listener I think people associate WPRO with waking up to information. Now I'm not part of that mentality but just my 2 cents. If De Petro's numbers are down that's a problem for them and I don't see that they can backtrack and put St Pierre back on what with him being on with Cianci and programming WSKO.

As far as Coast a kid with a bucket and plastic toy shovel could bury them. The morning show is a misguided mish mosh that doesn't appeal to either sex which is too bad because regardless of my opinion of that mess both guys were good at the stations they used to be at. The rest of the day is nothing more than crappy music played too repetitiously and generic on air people.

 

[Skynet74]

Same ol Same ol, Was nt CTK #1 at one piont not two long ago.

As for WHJJ doing good. You have got to be kidding me with that morning show.Is someone being paid to fill out a diary because I don't know of anyone who listens to HJJ.Not unless those numbers are actually Helen's.If that's the case she should be in a better time slot.

Wow, how can B101 possible be that high in the ratings? WCTK should be #1, they're the best sounding station, by far... in my opinion.

WCTK sounding great doesn't mean a thing unless you like Country Music. Although popular, I don't think Providence is really a city that loves Country music. "Country" is a difficult format to program since it's audience varies so much depending on what region of the country you live in. I always think of the southern markets as being the ones who do well with a "Country" format. Nashville, Dallas, Little Rock, Myrtle Beach, Biloxi. Places like that. But I'm sure there are exceptions.

I expected HJJ ratings to go up since Rush was added. That pumpkin head has a loyal fan base. So it was pretty much a guarantee that his listeners would all follow him over. I really can't comment on anything else at HJJ since I don't listen to anything else on that station. Once in a while when I'm in the mood for "Pumpkin head" I tune in. But that's it.

I have always liked Depetro, but I have to agree that he just sounds out of place on Morning drive. It is quite obvious that he doesn't belong in that slot. I don't think the station should backtrack by putting St. Pierre back on mornings either. Imus should be switched over to WPRO for morning drive. I think it's their best bet. That pretty much would leave Depetro out in the cold. I like him and I would hate to see him go. But I don't know where else you could put him. They just might have to get rid of him.

 

[McRadio]

Yeah they may just have to get rid of DePetro......or....he may just have to leave. Will his ego allow him to do that? You can get only so much self gratification out of your website. If he leaves I expect it to be to hook up with some political candidate.

As far as WCTK how do you figure Providence isn't a market that doesn't love country music considering their continued successes? I think you're stuck in some outdated conception of what country is. You're right that WCTK sounding great doesn't mean a thang unless you like country but we're talking doing good radio here regardless of format. No I don't think WCTK is winning just because they're always live or have a lot of energy or good imaging, etc. They're probably winning because people are getting into the format.

 

[jlehmann]

WCTK sounding great doesn't mean a thing unless you like Country Music. Although popular, I don't think Providence is really a city that loves Country music. "Country" is a difficult format to program since it's audience varies so much depending on what region of the country you live in. I always think of the southern markets as being the ones who do well with a "Country" format. Nashville, Dallas, Little Rock, Myrtle Beach, Biloxi. Places like that. But I'm sure there are exceptions.

I don't like country, and I rarely listen to WCTK. I just think they're the best sounding station in the market. Their imaging and airstaff is better than any other station. Like I've said before, it would be interesting to see what Hall could do with another station in Providence.

 

[wknd92]

Sally, as I said, it's 2 books of numbers that count as the summer book is always iffy. I don't disagree that JD sounds out of place and have said since day 1 that he is not made out for that timeslot....Imus would have had little to no affect as he only started a couple of weeks before the book closed, the winter book will be the one where he is reflected.

WCTK being up in the top 3 in past books 12+ shows that Providence can accept a country station (especially as there are so many country stars crossing over to mainstream) and people do tune in more than what would be expected. PPM may show a different story for them (it also depends hugely on diary placement).

WHJJ being up middays only shows that Helen wasn't getting it done and Rush still can (although he trends up when there are elections afoot). If Buddy's number is more than Rush's, the correct decision was made....

 

[awardmrnobody]

I used to think John Depetro was the best hard talk host I ever heard, when he was on HJJ.
He is now nothing more than a Clown. His show has turned into Ropper room.
How did the best talk host in Rhode Island turn into Silly Putty?
If his rating are really down, WPRO may be done with him. Do forget Depetro attacked Afternoon
drive host Dan Yorke siding with the Providence Journal over a non issue.
I was very surprised WPRO didn't suspend Depetro for a week. Now, he's going to be seen as weak.
Not a good future for a man who pushes and pushes his own stations people around.

 

[RadioHead06]

Wknd,

I have seen the numbers, sorry to disappoint you, but it is not fractions of rating points on HJJ. We're talking about increases across the primes of 2-3 points. The dreamteam line-up on Pro did not deliver versus the cost bottom line. A certain Farid will not be happy looking at his checkbook versus the no cost syndicated programing on HJJ sorry as that is. Buddy had a number, but not what he should have had considering all the hype and anticipation in the market. As the prior poster noted, JD is misplaced in morning drive. Ron St.Pierre ran a top shelf program in that slot for years. John is not the guy you want to wake up to, and now with Imus cutting in, it will further chop up the audience. The big winners for Citadel were Lite and Pro-Fm, they burried Coast.

Sounds about right! Someone like me, an avid talk radio listener and follower of politics doesn't listen to Buddy Cianci. Buddy's an obnoxious convicted felon just out of jail. I'm going to listen to a former pol convicted on corruption charges critique other politicians?? No I'm not! I'm not a hypocrite. I'm not going to b!tch about political corruption in RI and then turn around and support one after he gets out of the federal pen. Same for his gig on the Channel 6 news. Won't watch Channel 6 as a matter of principle.
Anyone who listens to Cianci as they moan and groan about political corruption in Rhode Island is a grade A hypocrite.
John Depetro's big problem is that he has never grown up. He has the intellect and demeanor of a 12 year old girl. A whiney name caller is not what people what to start their day with. As I predicted months ago, Depetro will leave WPRO to work on Steve Laffey's run for Governor. JD's no Salty that's for sure. A good replacement for JD would be Helen Glover. Is strong on the issues but has a pleasant demeanor and is an easy listen. Johnny D is not an easy listen at all. Loved him when he was at WHJJ but things have changed and times have changed. Sadly Johhny never has.

 

[Boobaka]

[/quote] WCTK sounding great doesn't mean a thing unless you like Country Music. Although popular, I don't think Providence is really a city that loves Country music. "Country" is a difficult format to program since it's audience varies so much depending on what region of the country you live in. I always think of the southern markets as being the ones who do well with a "Country" format. Nashville, Dallas, Little Rock, Myrtle Beach, Biloxi. Places like that. But I'm sure there are exceptions. [/quote]

I can vouch for Myrtle Beach. I did middays on there country station up until last year. People love there country! Actually there WAS a connection on my station to CTK. The PD of WGTR was the former Morning Co-Host of Jess Tyler back in there days at WPKX in Springfield. Oh the fun we had!