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I'm glad someone already posted this.. but I'm still a bit confused by what's happening, based on what I read on the board home page. Is this going to be actual radio stations or some T.V. show?
This is good for Hollywood Hamilton (if it's a radio station) because now he has more places to syndicate his new remix top 40 countdown show, which features dance hits.
The only one I've heard was the Weekend Top 30 Urban Rhythmic Countdown (which is what we once again currently have in Az), but I know he also does a Rhythm Top 40 one and a brand new Dance Remix show has been added as well.
This is good for Hollywood Hamilton (if it's a radio station) because now he has more places to syndicate his new remix top 40 countdown show, which features dance hits.
The only one I've heard was the Weekend Top 30 Urban Rhythmic Countdown (which is what we once again currently have in Az), but I know he also does a Rhythm Top 40 one and a brand new Dance Remix show has been added as well.
d21ofnj said:
Probably local, unless "My Shoes" has added new stores at Hollywood & Highland and Archer at Harlem.
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It would have to be local cause of the time zone difference,, and I dont think the FCC allows commercial radio to simulcast like that,,,, K-Love dont count.... Plus, they will have to run local Ads and have local COMs.... Ive heard Hollywood hamilton referencing about a new type of Dance Format,,,, unlike the Pure Dance we have now,,, it is supposed to be a mix of Pure Dance,, POP and Hip Hop Remixes, and Mashups,,, this will probably draw a much bigger audience... Forgive me if anyone has mentioned this already, Im sure KDM is aware of it since he is an important part of the board when it comes to idea's of fusing dance with Pop and Hip Hop...
Off topic,, but have you heard what Akon has been doing lately,,, all of his songs, his past 3 or 4 singles have a breakbeat, and the latest one called Beautiful really sounds dancy, especially at the begining,, sounds really trancy like Alice DJs better off alone.
The new Kelly Clarkson, my life would suck is pretty Dancy, and so is hillary Duffs-Reach Out,, which samples Depeche Mode-Personal Jesus.
Off topic,, but have you heard what Akon has been doing lately,,, all of his songs, his past 3 or 4 singles have a breakbeat, and the latest one called Beautiful really sounds dancy, especially at the begining,, sounds really trancy like Alice DJs better off alone.
The new Kelly Clarkson, my life would suck is pretty Dancy, and so is hillary Duffs-Reach Out,, which samples Depeche Mode-Personal Jesus.
KDM 7000 said:
Here's the technicality. 87.7 is licensed for use as an audio carrier for TV's Channel 6. If you go to Philadelphia on 87.7 you hear WPVI (an ABC affiliate). It will be a "radio station" but in all technicalities it is a low power TV station (thus the "LP" suffix at the end of the calls). They do have a "picture" on channel 6 in New York but you hear Pulse 87 as the audio background, thus how they get away with doing this.
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Mid West Clubber said:
which proves that in dance music, just like in EVERY other genre, "what's old is new again..."
Andrea
Mid West Clubber said:
Of course they could be syndicated. First off they are not radio stations, so take out every radio thought you have. Second, you can schedule live ads with syndicated programs. Sirius is a national feed. You hear the jocks talking about the different time zones all the time. Hell they could have everything voice tracked to play it the same time in every time zone to go along with the specific time.
I think some shows might be syndicated and some might be local. Contests would have to be local, no one will fly from ORD or LAX to New York just for a concert in a nightclub. The NYC mid day show is LA's morning show, that could work. There would actually be a reporter in Hollywood. The same mixshow could be delayed one hour in Chicago and three hours in LA so the same DJ does just one set. If they all stream, it would be nice to be able to flip between the 3 Pulse 87's to hear a different song, so they should put a link to each stream on the stream player. People in Chicago don't want to hear New York's New Dance Music Leader, they want Chicago's New Dance Music Leader, so the slogan would change. They can sell both local ads and national ads, and triple the price of national ads. It should be easier for Chicago and LA's Pulse to attract listeners because the New York Pulse will promote those stations (NY listeners will tell their Chicago and LA friends how awesome Pulse 87 is).
There were 3 dance stations called "Energy 92.7" (Chicago, Arizona, SF) but each sounded unique, and 2 of them are gone.
What works in New York may not work in Chicago or LA, so the playlists might be regionally altered. There may be less freestyle and more currents in Chicago, and more CHR/Rhythmic tracks in LA.
It will be exciting to have Pulse 87 spread. I hope they can get more Pulses on the air in other cities (may not need to be on 87.7) and make Pulse a national brand for dance music, similar to how European countries have a national dance station (Radio FG in France for example). DC (already has an LPTV on 87.7), Boston (might be able to buy out WFNX or any other rimshot signal, lots of colleges), and Miami (2nd center of dance music in the US) would be good targets.
There were 3 dance stations called "Energy 92.7" (Chicago, Arizona, SF) but each sounded unique, and 2 of them are gone.
What works in New York may not work in Chicago or LA, so the playlists might be regionally altered. There may be less freestyle and more currents in Chicago, and more CHR/Rhythmic tracks in LA.
It will be exciting to have Pulse 87 spread. I hope they can get more Pulses on the air in other cities (may not need to be on 87.7) and make Pulse a national brand for dance music, similar to how European countries have a national dance station (Radio FG in France for example). DC (already has an LPTV on 87.7), Boston (might be able to buy out WFNX or any other rimshot signal, lots of colleges), and Miami (2nd center of dance music in the US) would be good targets.
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I dont see how if they are all gonna be on 87.7 how this is going to work... First off,,, I may have an older car, but my radio only goes to 87.9.... A national dance station in the US would have to be different than say Radio FG in France,,, RGR FM in Belgium, Top Radio in Belgium, Slam FM in Belgium,,, they are all in the same time zone and much smaller countrys,,, but bigger countrys like Russia, which has Europa Plus for a Dance-Euro Pop Outlet is one network, but the main station in Moscow isnt the same as the other Europa plus stations in the rest of Russia, including former Soviet states like Kaskastan and Ukraine,, they all use the Europa Brand, but operate seperately.. The same goes for the Nova Network in Australia, all ran seperately,,, Plus, what work in NYC may not work in Chi-Town or LA.... NYC is more of a Diva House place, while Chicago likes their Chicago house, Trance and Euro---think Energy 927&5 and the old B-96, and even Jumpstyle/hardstyle has a following in Chicago now,,, and in LA it would have to be more Latino Friendly like Power 106 was,,, this is partyly why stations like KDL and Groove Radio failed, despite their weak signals, they didnt serve the 65% hispanic population. LA is a Mamoth city, and a LP 87.7 wouldnt cover a quarter of it,,, and even at that,,, if they are on 87.7, they arent Arbitron Rated.
on one hand; I don't quite understand how people will listen to the station. Are they using an analog T.V. signal? -- will people need to tune in with their T.v's?., or are they switching to an FM antenna?, if that's the case, are car radios even capable of reaching that signal? Not to mention that a LPFM will probably drown out within blocks from the Hancock because of the interference and structures.
on the other hand -- the Hancock being one of the taller buildings here might spread the signal a little farther to be possibly a Loop-only station (meaning only in the immediate downtown), they can focus on building attention for themselves for a couple years and then upgrade their antenna , and eventually convert to HD and voila! a full blown clear digital signal. Im not sure if HD radios include that frequency though. Either way I hope it happens, it's been an exiting year this would just be another plus.
on the other hand -- the Hancock being one of the taller buildings here might spread the signal a little farther to be possibly a Loop-only station (meaning only in the immediate downtown), they can focus on building attention for themselves for a couple years and then upgrade their antenna , and eventually convert to HD and voila! a full blown clear digital signal. Im not sure if HD radios include that frequency though. Either way I hope it happens, it's been an exiting year this would just be another plus.
Mid West Clubber said:
Pulse in NYC is getting rated by Arbitron. They will get it in Chicago and LA if this officially goes through.
This is what happens when people with money start playing. Is a Nat’l dance feed that is NYC(entric) a good thing? Probably not. Is a faux radio station with numbered days in analogue good for the format? Probably not. Exposing a few good dance songs to a market and having full-powered CHR's and Hot AC's reacting to said dance station good? Probably yes. I wouldn't invest in it because I think it's a financially losing situation. Most of the dance fans that live in cities that don't have a dance station are way ahead of what any FM station playlist will offer. But what the hell, it's better than static!
Dancerev889 said:
Adding on, you won't see Pulse listed with the other stations on the PPM but yes, they do get rated.
mannyworks00 said:
Yes, they're using an analog TV signal, on channel 6. Analog TV sound is frequency-modulated, just like FM radio, and channel 6's analog sound frequency is 87.75MHz (+/-0.01) which can be tuned on most (but not all) FM radios. By my reading of the rules, (warning: I'm an engineer, not a lawyer) it's even legal for a TV station to use the FM stereo standard. Aural power may be as much as 660 watts ERP for a channel 6 LPTV. (actually, by some readings of the rules, the aural power may be unlimited - but I highly doubt that interpretation would hold) Given a Hancock or Sears (or Mt. Wilson) transmitter site, that could cover a LOT of ground.
(the stereo standard for FM is different from that for analog TV; a TV station broadcasting with the FM stereo standard will deliver only monophonic audio to a TV set.)
So these stations can be received either on a radio or on a TV.
IMHO there are two serious issues with this LPTV-station-as-radio-station model though.
1. While the mandatory analog TV shutdown in June doesn't apply to low-power stations, the FCC has announced that low-power stations will be required to go digital eventually. My guess is in two years or so. When that happens, this business model dries up -- FM radios will not be able to receive the sound of a digital low-power TV station.
I know channel 6 in Albany is talking about leaving their analog audio signal on the air, on the opposite polarization to their channel 6 digital transmission -- but I see almost no chance of this working. Cross-polarization issues at the receivers mean this station's scheme would cause serious interference to their own digital signal. I can't see the FCC approving it.
2. The definition of "100% modulation" for FM radio is +/-75KHz. The definition for analog TV sound is +/- 25KHz. A legally-operating channel 6 analog TV station will be running only 33% modulation as received on a FM radio. (I'm sure most of you know how long you'd survive as a radio engineer if your station could only make 33% modulation!)
I'm not close enough to NYC to have ever heard Pulse 87. People who have heard the station have told me its modulation is no lower than that of any other NYC FM station. That suggests the station is running 75KHz modulation. Pulse 87 (and the LA and Chicago stations) is held to the TV rules -- not the FM rules. Under the TV rules, 75KHz modulation is 300%. That is nowhere near legal. If Pulse 87 is indeed running FM modulation levels, then I'm really rather surprised none of their competitors have managed to cajole the Enforcement Bureau into citing the station for violation of the technical rules.
on the other hand -- the Hancock being one of the taller buildings here might spread the signal a little farther to be possibly a Loop-only station (meaning only in the immediate downtown), they can focus on building attention for themselves for a couple years and then upgrade their antenna , and eventually convert to HD and voila! a full blown clear digital signal. Im not sure if HD radios include that frequency though. Either way I hope it happens, it's been an exiting year this would just be another plus.
My Boston Acoustics HD Radio won't go below 87.9.
I don't think it matters; by the time HD could possibly become popular enough to be worthwhile, LPTV stations will be required to go ATSC digital and these stations will not be allowed to run either analog or IBOC/HD.
As the company that owns and operates Pulse 87 is public, they have all their financial statements available on their website. It's an interesting read, but really offers a very dim future unfortunately.
I would love to see it survive and thrive, because even the expore of Dance music on public airwaves, no matter how obscure the signal is, IT IS A GOOD THING!
It appears though to be burning cash at an unsustainable rate unless it get a substantial infusion of cash or some advertisers...
I would love to see it survive and thrive, because even the expore of Dance music on public airwaves, no matter how obscure the signal is, IT IS A GOOD THING!
It appears though to be burning cash at an unsustainable rate unless it get a substantial infusion of cash or some advertisers...
I think it's been confirmed that WNYZ's audio is operating legally at 300% (TV) modulation. I have heard it on a TV and it is LOUD but not too distorted. I actually can get Pulse 87's audio and WPVI's picture, can't see WNYZ's picture. If I'm bored, it's interesting to watch daytime soaps on ABC with a loud Pulse 87 audio. I think WNYZ's video signal can only be seen for a couple miles around That Big Blue Building, but they obviously only care about the audio. The video is supposedly a test pattern or nature scenes. FCC rules say that the audio doesn't need to be associated with the video.
Chicago's Pulse will be on the John Hancock, right on Michigan Ave in downtown. And LA's Pulse will be on Mount Wilson, where even a 100 watt station goes 50 miles.
Chicago's Pulse will be on the John Hancock, right on Michigan Ave in downtown. And LA's Pulse will be on Mount Wilson, where even a 100 watt station goes 50 miles.
I checked 87.7 here out of Orlando and it has a strong signal. I can pick it up at my house CLEARLY. I live on the Southeast side of town near the airport. I also went around I-Drive one of the tourists areas,downtown and it comes in clearly without any interference.
We haven't had any dance since 95.3 went Hip Hop. Orlando is a great market for the young edgy crowd. We have the attraction parks,UCF and other nearby colleges.And we still have an underground dance scene mostly breaks.
Mega Media should look into Orlando if it has not done so yet.
We haven't had any dance since 95.3 went Hip Hop. Orlando is a great market for the young edgy crowd. We have the attraction parks,UCF and other nearby colleges.And we still have an underground dance scene mostly breaks.
Mega Media should look into Orlando if it has not done so yet.
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