Pulse 87 making fun of 92.3 Now, Z100

[LA_Guy]

Let me translate...

Pulse is saying: "HIP people listen to us. Everyone else listens to Now or Z100".

 

[d21ofnj]

Now, to assume that Pulse plays what "people" want is to assume YOU represent all real people. This corporate conspirace theory is tired. Top 40 stations (In large markets especially) play audience tested music through call out research and auditorium testing, not corporate mandates.

I don't represent "real people," I represent people who are "real" to what they love. If that's true, then why did Press Communications pull G-Rock? Why was The Buzz (mind you the #1 rated station in AC) killed for Top 40? It DOES have something to do with corporate mandates. There's no need for 15 different Top 40 stations to be tested in Jersey, that it, if you read the Jersey board.

Translation: a 24/7 Dance format just won't work on commerical radio, so deal with it!

You know, I really love responses like these. But you don't see me saying things like "K-Rock and G-Rock had it coming, GET OVER IT!!! Rock is dead" over here. But I do have to say, you thought Pulse was gonna die early, well, look where Pulse is at, and look what happened to K & G Rock. Oh, and how many years Energy Arizona was on the air, and Energy in SF is STILL on for how many years again? Surely wasn't under 5 years. Look at Party 105, 11 years,

11 YEARS!!

Oh, and let's not forget, I was a self promoter for "96.7 Party" in the Jersey Shore, and yes, it IS a 24/7 pure dance station, that got lots of attention of listeners down there. So if my station was on the dial, you mean to tell the dance fans that a dance......wait wait, I gotta translate for the haters....."DANZ STAYSHUN" would fail and it won't work not only in the shore, but anywhere else?

Don't get mad at me, get mad at Robert Christgau! I shouldn't have added the "so deal with it" after my prognosis for dance music on commercial radio, but I just don't think that, as Allan Sniffen puts it, the "casual listeners" will become converts to the genre. As Mr. Christgau also said, the music was "designed to leave its claims to magic immune to empirical verification", which translates as it just doesn't fit well in (most) home, car or work enviornments.

You know, this leads back to the "Young Nationalists" and the "Disco Sucks Campaign." This is why the industry is the way it is. I love how all other genres would work except for dance. It seems like there's something "personal" that dance strikes on people. The Disco Sucks Campaign was ok to talk about, but the New York Dance Music Coalition is a crime? This sounds like an act of hate and not an act of opinion. Whatever disco did with rock, I don't know, but I recommend that you pay attention to how alternative and rock stations are suddenly dropped off the frequency instead of bashing the dance fans and how we are growing and slowly getting a fair share on the air.

 

[DanceDiva3]

Rock fans have this misconseption of Dance Music, as if it's not music or they aren't playing instruments or writing their own music. There is heavy electronica "industrial" rock, black metal, etc... the same sounds, the same equipment is being used, same production. In Europe people are savvy enough to understand. Rock fans love dance there, there are NO seperated categories ! Radio doesn't create this division. Music is music and instruments are being played no matter what. Dance music is Top 40 and a rock fan still listens to it and go to the clubs there. I see Metallica, Rage Against the Machine, Slayer t-shirts at a club dancing to dance. WE here in America are soo behind. Even in Japan when I went.

THIS IS THE COUNTRY will the most division, especially when it comes to music. Thats why we are a joke to the world. It's JUST MUSIC PEOPLE. DOn't get your panties in a bunch over it, especially these white collar heads in corporate radio. GO TAKE A TRIP and go on vacation, but not to a resort or island. OPEN UP YOUR EYES and EARS and Take a break!!!!! It's time for CHANGE.

 

[mjb1124]

101.9 is to alt rock like KTU is to dance

I wouldn't go that far... there is more new alternative on RXP than there is new dance on KTU. If anything, I'd say it's more comparable to the KTU of the 90s, while K-Rock was more like the KTU of today.

 

[TonySantiago]

It seems like there's something "personal" that dance strikes on people. The Disco Sucks Campaign was ok to talk about, but the New York Dance Music Coalition is a crime?

Granted, I was only 12 when the "Disco Sucks" movement had occurred. Looking at articles from that era, it was more of a cry against gay pride and black/Latino pride versus the music in itself. Musically what happened were rock groups and artists (Queen, Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart) doing "disco" style tunes which helped fuel the fire to the rock fan base (mainly white males). That's where the "disdain" came from. Add to the fact that Steve Dahl (the "father" of the disco sucks movement) was fired from a Chicago radio station because of a change of format to disco, it got the ball rolling for the rock fanbase to express that anger as well as express their own "machisto" attitudes that was associated with rock. It was just "easier" to kick down a musical genre then to face the real fact that society was rapidly changing and becoming more liberal, post Vietnam War.

And now for the history lesson of the coalition.... ;D

When I formed the coalition back in 1994 (when it was known as the Metro New York Dance Radio Coalition), it was done as a response to a mini radio "war" blocking dance music at that time here. FOR THE RECORD (and to those that were affected, I want them to pay CLOSE attention to this) I did the coalition in terms of getting the dance music fan's perspective and NOT PRO or AGAINST any of the parties involved during the conflict. I knew NEITHER of the principals personally; only that I read the newspaper and found out what had happened. The sole purpose at that time was to get more exposure of the music onto the radio and that NYC needed a new dance station.

Prior to the coalition, there was never a "collective" for dance music fans to speak out. And throughout those years, as well as the past 3 years, I have certainly received a lot of feedback from the fan base....to the point that the dance music industry took notice to what we were doing; being that we only wanted what was best for the music as a whole as well as offer FULL support in terms of helping get this music the exposure it deserves in terms of contemporary music.

What ALSO happened, (you D21, Nick, Myke25, DanceDiva and other pro fans are representative of this) is that people ARE speaking back to those, that are either against dance music or perhaps don't understand dance music, without any sort of fear knowing that we ARE here to give full support and defense to their opinions. If staunchly backing up the opinions of the fans, artists, industry professionals, clubs, radio industry supporters, labels, promoters, producers, etc., is a "crime", then guilty as charged....lock me up and throw away the key! Believe me, there are those that have tried to knock the coalition down (including radio professionals) as well as attack me personally. Heck, I'll take that "bullet" for the music, but this time we are and will continue to be here for the fans of dance.

Radaio, I did re-read your comments and my reaction was based on your reply towards John Parker. Not that John needs ANY defense from me since he is a pro in the dance music industry and knows his stuff but I just felt, OMG, here we go again. And I will add, that just because you have DJ spun music in the background of an artist singing instead of an actual band of musicians doesn't make that dance artist "less" talented than anyone else. If anything, it IS all relative to ones tastes. For some, they'd rather hear actual talent in the playing of instruments and singing, for others it's about the gyrating moves being done on stage with vocals provided over a recorded track. You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to....all preference.

I MUST STATE that the NYDMC is NOT here to "convert" anyone. We are all about unity in the dance music community. If a "newbie" wants to learn more about dance music, we would accept that person with open arms! Likewise, for those that are into other forms of music and want to find out what we're about, they are "welcome" as well. The doors are open for everyone, if they choose on their own behalf, to walk through them. And once again, if a person doesn't like dance music, that's fine. Everyone has different tastes; that's what makes the world go 'round.

To be fair, when the coalition first started there were members within our community that were talking trash against "hip-hop" (being that Hot 97 had flipped from dance to this format) in the same way rock fans talked trash about dance music. That was something totally uncalled for, IMHO, and I had to make clear to everyone that what we are doing isn't "anti hip-hop" or "anti-Hot 97". Just as we don't want people bashing us, we certainly don't need to bash others. The hip-hop community was very acceptant of that and we've welcomed those from that community into ours. But with all communities the focus is clear that we are ABOUT dance music and if other genres want to "experiment" with dance, that we would encourage it.

Basically.....the NYDMC is not ANYONE's "enemy" here. But at the same time if someone is going to interject a "bash" onto an opinion, then we're fighting back. If another "dance music sucks" movement like the one in Comiskey Park in 1979 occurred today, this time around there would be "cloud" settling in. That cloud is the NYDMC and its members that stand behind us.

Look, enjoy life! It's too short! And in that vain, let's all respect one another, even if we don't agree!

Thank you.

Now back to topic...... (apologies to those that felt I have "bogarted" this thread. But no apologies in our defense for dance music.)