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putting an (fm) filter in a midland radio

I was curious if any have you have done this. I have the midland wr-30 weather radio with fm on it. the reception is really good in pulling in very distant very weak signals. the problem is when it comes to cross over interference Ie 102.3 mixing with 102.5 it is really bad. I was curious has anybody tried to put modified if's (110khz filters) in their radios that have fm? or how you can do this
thanks
-OZ<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Ozman on 02/01/06 01:59 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Small, sharp IF filter for use in dual-use WX rcvr/FM broadcast Rcvr

> I was curious if any have you have done this. I have the
> midland wr-30 weather radio with fm on it. the reception is
> really good in pulling in very distant very weak signals.
> the problem is when it comes to cross over interference Ie
> 102.3 mixing with 102.5 it is really bad. I was curious has
> anybody tried to put modified if's (110khz filters) in their
> radios that have fm? or how you can do this
> thanks
> -OZ
>

Receiver/device discussed: Midland WR-30 Wx and FM Broadcast radio

The filter in a receiver of this class is no doubt wider than
desirable in certain situations. The problem is going to be
size; do you have room for a larger filter in a device that
size. That is the question. There is also the question of
suitability - impedance matching and so forth.

The term you're looking for in lieu of "x mixing with y" is
X 'bleeding over' onto Y. I initially thought you had an intermod
problem with a couple of FM stations 'mixing' to affect your
weather radio on the weather radio frequencies!

Most likely, you have a narrow filter used in the Wx radio
portion of the receiver, and they switch in a wider IF filter
for use in the FM Broadcast receive mode, since the two modes
(Wx and FM Broadcast) have different over-the-air characteristics,
as shown here:

Wx band: 162.400 to 162. 550 MHz in 25 KHz steps
FM Deviation +-5 KHz
Highest modulating frequency: 4 KHz
Resulting IF Bandwidth: 20 KHz (approx.)

FM Broadcast: 88.1 to 107.9 MHz in 200 KHz steps
FM Deviation: +-75 KHz
Highest modulating frequency: 15 KHz
Resulting IF Bandwidth: 250 KHz (approx.)
 
Re: Small, sharp IF filter for use in dual-use WX rcvr/FM broadcast Rcvr

cool thanks for the help

> > I was curious if any have you have done this. I have the
> > midland wr-30 weather radio with fm on it. the reception
> is
> > really good in pulling in very distant very weak signals.
> > the problem is when it comes to cross over interference Ie
>
> > 102.3 mixing with 102.5 it is really bad. I was curious
> has
> > anybody tried to put modified if's (110khz filters) in
> their
> > radios that have fm? or how you can do this
> > thanks
> > -OZ
> >
>
> Receiver/device discussed: Midland WR-30 Wx and FM Broadcast
> radio
>
> The filter in a receiver of this class is no doubt wider
> than
> desirable in certain situations. The problem is going to be
>
> size; do you have room for a larger filter in a device that
>
> size. That is the question. There is also the question of
> suitability - impedance matching and so forth.
>
> The term you're looking for in lieu of "x mixing with y" is
>
> X 'bleeding over' onto Y. I initially thought you had an
> intermod
> problem with a couple of FM stations 'mixing' to affect your
>
> weather radio on the weather radio frequencies!
>
> Most likely, you have a narrow filter used in the Wx radio
> portion of the receiver, and they switch in a wider IF
> filter
> for use in the FM Broadcast receive mode, since the two
> modes
> (Wx and FM Broadcast) have different over-the-air
> characteristics,
> as shown here:
>
> Wx band: 162.400 to 162. 550 MHz in 25 KHz steps
> FM Deviation +-5 KHz
> Highest modulating frequency: 4 KHz
> Resulting IF Bandwidth: 20 KHz (approx.)
>
> FM Broadcast: 88.1 to 107.9 MHz in 200 KHz steps
> FM Deviation: +-75 KHz
> Highest modulating frequency: 15 KHz
> Resulting IF Bandwidth: 250 KHz (approx.)
>
 
> 102.3 mixing with 102.5 it is really bad. I was curious has
> anybody tried to put modified if's (110khz filters) in their
> radios that have fm? or how you can do this

Yes! This modification is simple to do, and results in big improvements - especially in FM radios with more than one filter. The trick is to match the filters if there are more than one.

http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/filters.html
 
I have to have fun with my wr-30 then.
10points if I can keep the noaa weather radio feature with out a hitch (getting the all hazards watches and warnings)
> > 102.3 mixing with 102.5 it is really bad. I was curious
> has
> > anybody tried to put modified if's (110khz filters) in
> their
> > radios that have fm? or how you can do this
>
> Yes! This modification is simple to do, and results in big
> improvements - especially in FM radios with more than one
> filter. The trick is to match the filters if there are more
> than one.
>
> http://www.fmtunerinfo.com/filters.html
>
 
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