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Putting young new talent on the radio

For commercial music radio stations:

I am willing to bet that if someone (or company) nurtured (enticed?) any prospective 18-25 year old on being a radio DJ (even if it meant only voice-tracking), and paid them very little money (maybe even minimum wage), that young DJ would catch the radio bug quick, and new radio talent would be born. I firmly believe that it wouldn't even take that much effort (think back on how quickly and easily you were bit by the radio bug at a young age). If this were me doing this, a great radio voice would be my first talent criteria. I think a great radio voice is infectious. If radio wants to gain "young listeners", how about putting *young talent* on the radio? Let them talk about "young" things that relate to the "younger" listeners. Am I crazy, or is the summer heat getting to me?
 
I am willing to bet that if someone (or company) nurtured (enticed?) any prospective 18-25 year old on being a radio DJ (even if it meant only voice-tracking), and paid them very little money (maybe even minimum wage), that young DJ would catch the radio bug quick, and new radio talent would be born.

You say this as though it doesn't happen. You're wrong. You'd be surprised how many young people love radio and want to be on the air. And a lot of companies seek out young aspiring talent at annual radio events around the country, such as the Morning Show Boot Camp. It would help if some boomers who are currently occupying the best on-air positions would retire, and allow the next generation to advance. Just last week, Sandy Beach, who is 80, announced his retirement. He will likely be replaced by someone in their 50s. Not much chance for someone 18-25. But yes, there are people nurturing new talent, and using their connections to help them get the few jobs there are.
 
My company has employed many young part-timers through the years, mostly on weekends. Very few of them stick around, because they get better jobs doing something else.

If you're making $7.25 an hour (minimum wage) as a DJ Saturday and Sunday 10-3, you probably can't make a living on $72.50 a week (gross wages). So you're probably working another job somewhere, and probably making a higher wage at that job. If you can make $12 an hour at Wal-Mart, why waste your time making $7.25 at the radio station?

When it comes time to hire for a full-time position, it will probably be hard to find someone experienced who wants to live in a small town in the midwest. We've had a lot of trouble recruiting in recent years, probably due to the wages and boring culture locally.
 
When it comes time to hire for a full-time position, it will probably be hard to find someone experienced who wants to live in a small town in the midwest. We've had a lot of trouble recruiting in recent years, probably due to the wages and boring culture locally.

That's the biggest part that's changed about radio. Forty years ago, young DJs would be willing to move to get a job. Not the case these days. What's made it even worse is that successful radio people sought to move up in market size as their career grew. That stopped about 20 years ago. DJs wouldn't leave their home towns, due to kids in school and wives in other jobs. So now you have radio stations staffed with a lot of boomers.

One of the most interesting recent young talent stories is Bobby Bones, who was a young guy from Arkansas who loved radio and was willing to move to find work. He went to Austin where he caught the eye of someone at iHeart. They turned him into a syndicated morning host for their country radio stations. From there, he's expanded to another career on TV, winning Dancing With The Stars, becoming a country version of Ryan Seacrest. Certainly that is an attractive model to a 22 year old kid. But Bobby was willing to do a lot of things others might not do.
 
My company has employed many young part-timers through the years, mostly on weekends. Very few of them stick around, because they get better jobs doing something else.

If you're making $7.25 an hour (minimum wage) as a DJ Saturday and Sunday 10-3, you probably can't make a living on $72.50 a week (gross wages). So you're probably working another job somewhere, and probably making a higher wage at that job. If you can make $12 an hour at Wal-Mart, why waste your time making $7.25 at the radio station?

When it comes time to hire for a full-time position, it will probably be hard to find someone experienced who wants to live in a small town in the midwest. We've had a lot of trouble recruiting in recent years, probably due to the wages and boring culture locally.

I've been on air in radio 17 years and have lived in the mountain west west, deep south and midwest...the midwest has been my favorite. ive lived in places where the summers are ok, winters a bit harsh but i like cold better then heat.. and i like things kinda quiet and slow. I guess its all about what you want out of life..... rural'ish areas are also better for my hobby
 
All through my radio career, most young people hired worked radio only a few years. A big influence on me was a guy a few years older that was willing to do what he had to in order to stay in radio. Once he married and his wife was expecting their first child, he had to 'grow up' as he put it, and center on making enough money to support a family. He did but from time to time you'd here him as a weekend or swing shift guy. I'd say 80% of more were not willing to stay with it long enough to hit a big enough market to earn what they needed. As for me, had I not been tossed in to sales, I might have been forced to give up radio for a day job. It took me about 8 years in sales to land a major market gig. That means I'm no major market air talent (although I've been in rated markets on air including AM & PM drive shifts) and I'm not the big market sales guy as my entry in major market was in management. Management is less about paying your dues to reach the top markets as it is about being able to assemble the talent to create a product you can monetize successfully by hiring the right people. My boss always said "And how does that make me money?". Come to think of it, maybe I was a good salesman because he believed I could pull it off.
 
I've been on air in radio 17 years and have lived in the mountain west west, deep south and midwest...the midwest has been my favorite. ive lived in places where the summers are ok, winters a bit harsh but i like cold better then heat.. and i like things kinda quiet and slow. I guess its all about what you want out of life..... rural'ish areas are also better for my hobby


I'd also much rather be a big fish in a small pond and be well known, not necessarily because im a radio guy, but because im on the radio and i make a difference
 
I don’t know about that. For at least the last 30 years, if you were in radio when you were 20, you were likely to be out of it by 30. In radio, there are a lot more has beens than those who still work in the business. At some point, most of us get sick of the instability, inability to start a family and/or the generally poor wages.

Radio can be a fun business. People, however, aren’t going to stay in radio just because the radio bug bit them. Fun can only sustain us for so long. Until you solve the problems I mentioned in the above paragraph, it’s always going to be a high turnover/high burnout profession. A few people are talented enough and lucky enough to get a stable and decent paying radio job, but we can only wait so long for that opportunity before reality bites us. I never had a significant other who was willing to share me with the radio station. I was only able to drive that car I got as a graduation gift so many miles. Sooner or later, there’s that moment for each of us. We’re either in a stable and well-paying radio job when that moment arrives or we’re not. If we’re not, we have to move on.
 
I don’t know about that. For at least the last 30 years, if you were in radio when you were 20, you were likely to be out of it by 30. In radio, there are a lot more has beens than those who still work in the business. At some point, most of us get sick of the instability, inability to start a family and/or the generally poor wages.

Radio can be a fun business. People, however, aren’t going to stay in radio just because the radio bug bit them. Fun can only sustain us for so long. Until you solve the problems I mentioned in the above paragraph, it’s always going to be a high turnover/high burnout profession. A few people are talented enough and lucky enough to get a stable and decent paying radio job, but we can only wait so long for that opportunity before reality bites us. I never had a significant other who was willing to share me with the radio station. I was only able to drive that car I got as a graduation gift so many miles. Sooner or later, there’s that moment for each of us. We’re either in a stable and well-paying radio job when that moment arrives or we’re not. If we’re not, we have to move on.

I',m obviously a bit different.. got into it when i was 19 and as of this year, been in it 17 years.. i'll be turning 37 in the fall. single, no desire for a family.. so thats part of how i manage to keep going in this crazy business
 
At some point, most of us get sick of the instability, inability to start a family and/or the generally poor wages.

And yet amazingly, a lot of talent have been doing mornings for 20 years in the same market, making 6 figure salaries, and won't leave because they have kids in school and wives with other careers. And as a result, a very desirable job is unavailable for the 20-something who'd love to get a shot. So the young guy starts a VT or imaging business, syndicating himself to a dozen stations, does it from his house, and makes a pretty good living. Not every young kid knows those options exist, but they do.

The OP put the onus on the station or company. But stations and companies have a farm system. Cumulus and iHeart have no problem finding anxious young people to fill shifts. Small companies hire consultants who mentor young talent, and wait for opportunities on indie radio stations. That's how the business works in a practical way. Its up to the young people to raise their hand and show how willing they are to do the work. If you want to know who those consultants are, they write articles for trade publications every week, and give their contact info at the bottom.
 
I',m obviously a bit different.. got into it when i was 19 and as of this year, been in it 17 years.. i'll be turning 37 in the fall. single, no desire for a family.. so thats part of how i manage to keep going in this crazy business

One of the major impediments for young people slipping into radio is seated in labor laws, liability issues and other regulations.

I started by hanging around a station, working at menial tasks for free. Eventually, I got a few hours here and there and that turned into fulltime.

Today, as a manager, I would not let a young teen hang around for more than a station tour. Too much at risk... even potential issues of a sexual predator accusation and the like. It's not John Kennedy's "Camelot" any more; it's more like something from Stephen King.
 
One of the major impediments for young people is in labor laws, liability issues and other regulations. I started by hanging around a station, working at menial tasks for free. Eventually, I got a few hours here and there and that turned into fulltime.

Today, as a manager, I would not let a young teen hang around for more than a station tour. Too much at risk... even potential issues of a sexual predator accusation and the like. It's not John Kennedy's "Camelot" any more; it's more like something from Stephen King.

I just fell right into it. I lived in suburban areas of new england, started small in the deep south.. never thinking, growing up, i'd be interested in such small rural areas.. but it's worked out mostly well for me
 
And yet amazingly, a lot of talent have been doing mornings for 20 years in the same market, making 6 figure salaries, and won't leave because they have kids in school and wives with other careers. And as a result, a very desirable job is unavailable for the 20-something who'd love to get a shot.

While there may be a lot of people in that situation, it’s a small fraction of the total people in radio. If that could’ve been me, I'd probably still be doing it today, but it wasn’t. It’s not a lot of other people either. Maybe I wasn’t talented enough for that job, but, even if you have the talent, you have to be lucky at some point to land a gig like that. I've seen a lot of people with more talent than I have who have bounced from market-to-market and either don’t make it or don’t last long in those bigger markets.

So the young guy starts a VT or imaging business, syndicating himself to a dozen stations, does it from his house, and makes a pretty good living. Not every young kid knows those options exist, but they do.

Fair enough, though you really have to want to do that. Self-employment has its perks, but it also has its problems. It also has startup costs. I can only speak from my own experience, but, when I decided I needed a new job, I considered staying in radio an option. I applied for radio jobs hoping I could move up to a large or major market, but I also applied in my field of study. I received a bite from a station in a similar size market to the one I was trying to get out of and a bite from a tech recruiter offering me more than double the money my radio job paid. Of course, we know which one I took. That job was guaranteed money, and I needed to replace that old car I was driving. Taking the radio job and trying to build a side business wasn’t going to do that for me. Plus, I figured I could always try going back into radio later on if the tech job didn’t pan out. That decision was a no-brainer for me. If a young potential talent is faced with doing his own radio related business or taking the better paying and more secure job dangled in front of him, I suspect he'd do the same thing. Building a successful VO/VT business takes either a track record, which younger talent doesn’t have, or a lot of passion.

The OP put the onus on the station or company. But stations and companies have a farm system. Cumulus and iHeart have no problem finding anxious young people to fill shifts. Small companies hire consultants who mentor young talent, and wait for opportunities on indie radio stations. That's how the business works in a practical way. Its up to the young people to raise their hand and show how willing they are to do the work. If you want to know who those consultants are, they write articles for trade publications every week, and give their contact info at the bottom.

I had a brief experience working for Cumulus. In the more than 15 years since they acquired that cluster, exactly one person has moved up to a large or major market within the company. That cluster has tended to be more of a landing place for talent the company doesn’t want to lose but can’t keep in their current situations (usually due to station sales). Some have moved up to larger markets with other companies, and a few went to similar size Cumulus markets that have better weather. The only person in that cluster who moved to a large market within the company also did weekends at a large market Cumulus cluster about two hours away, but she quickly realized she wasn’t going to go full time there. So, she went back to her hometown and worked for a couple years at the station she grew up listening to and eventually landed at iHeart in DC. One of the bigger ironies is that more people across the street have moved to large and major market Cumulus clusters than have within the Cumulus cluster. If that market resembles normal in other Cumulus markets, the best farm team is the team across the street. They’re more likely to get you out of their smaller markets to keep you from competing with them!

Something that did come to mind, though, was that there was an attempt to solve a lot of the inherent problems with radio jobs a little more than 20 years ago. That was Capstar's Star System. Those Star System jobs paid better than what most radio jobs paid, were in neat places to live like Austin and West Palm Beach, and they cut expenses at individual stations. In smaller markets, they could have local weekend talent, and, if those people were good, they could be moved to mornings or afternoons at stations in those smaller market clusters or potentially brought up as Star System jocks. Of course, radio people screamed that it was taking their jobs, and Capstar merged with Chancellor to become AMFM, which sold to Clear Channel. So, the Star System was short-lived. AMFM had better talent than small-market focused Capstar and preferred to use its large and major market talent to voice its smaller market properties. So, despite its failure, the Star System was an effort to solve the low pay, instability and bad schedules radio personalities frequently complain about. Of course, a lot of radio people didn’t see it that way and could just see a computer replacing them.
 
While there may be a lot of people in that situation, it’s a small fraction of the total people in radio.

That could be, but the point is it happens. And yes luck plays a big part in success in radio, as it does in all subjective businesses where advancement isn't based on seniority, education, or passing tests. So as you said, it's a personal career decision.

Building a successful VO/VT business takes either a track record, which younger talent doesn’t have, or a lot of passion.

Yep, so you starve for a couple years, make a few contacts, and see what you can do. Or stay with the station and try to branch into other areas, doing fill-in at co-owned stations or free lancing for other groups. You can add outside VTs in other markets or other voice work while doing your regular shift. Once again, it's about desire and passion. People ask me all the time how to make it in radio, and I say the answer is the same as making it in music: Passion and persistence. You have to be persistent, you have to keep working at it. Radio is not a job that will come to you, you have to go to it.

AMFM had better talent than small-market focused Capstar and preferred to use its large and major market talent to voice its smaller market properties. So, despite its failure, the Star System was an effort to solve the low pay, instability and bad schedules radio personalities frequently complain about. Of course, a lot of radio people didn’t see it that way and could just see a computer replacing them.

Interestingly I think that system is what led to the VT and Premium Choice systems the company uses today. Maybe it means there are less talent jobs in small markets, but it gets back to what I said about being willing to travel. If you want to work in the tech industry, you may have to live in Silicon Valley. If you want to be an actor, you have to be where there is an active theater system. If you want to be talent in radio, you have to go where those jobs are. The jobs you want aren't going to come to you.
 
I would say if the jocking job isn't enough, ask what else you can do at the station. The sales manager might help you learn sales. The news department might need help covering meetings. The engineer might like to teach you a thing or two. All of that leads to more money and more value as an employee.
 
I would say if the jocking job isn't enough, ask what else you can do at the station. The sales manager might help you learn sales. The news department might need help covering meetings. The engineer might like to teach you a thing or two. All of that leads to more money and more value as an employee.

That's what I did. There's a lot of time in the day outside of your air-shift. Some people use the time for golf or sleep. Some don't.
 
It is true that it was common knowledge once you got of Brown, Specs Howard, International Broadcasting School or wherever, you were headed to some podunk town on the other side of the state or several states away. Then you tried to get from Detroit Lakes MN to Grand Forks ND, then to the next bigger gig. Another technique that worked in some places (especially Central Indiana) is to land in Lafayette, Kokomo, Columbus, Bloomington or Terre Haute, and land a weekend shift in Indianapolis. That's likely not that common anymore.

There isn't the opportunity to go play the hits on the all-night shift in Sioux Falls anymore, but for today's radio (particularly morning radio), the YouTube channel or Improv stage is probably better training. The idea that after college graduation, your spouse is willing to give up opportunities in order to follow you to West Podunk isn't that likely.

Where I live now, where I have lived for 10 years, there are people on the air. It's mostly the same people who were on the air when I got here, and most of them had been here several years before. Not a lot of room for a weekend jock.
 
Building a successful VO/VT business takes either a track record, which younger talent doesn’t have, or a lot of passion.

I feel like all the lucrative jobs are on the freelance VO side of the equation. Being the brand voice for Home Depot is obviously lucrative, and voicing random spots for businesses as a freelancer can be as well.

But I'm not aware of anyone who is doing VT as a freelancer as their main source of income. The market for freelance VT is really quite small, because iHeart, Cumulus, Entercom and all the other large chains will prefer to give those assignments to employees they already have on the payroll.
 
The market for freelance VT is really quite small, because iHeart, Cumulus, Entercom and all the other large chains will prefer to give those assignments to employees they already have on the payroll.

Those three companies account for 8% of all radio stations, so the market is very large. Now with this new Independent Broadcasters Association, they are trying to create the same resources the big companies have. That says to me they're going to be looking for outside content creators. What I've learned is opportunity is where you make it.

https://radioink.com/2020/07/10/independent-broadcasters-association-ready-to-launch/
 
Those three companies account for 8% of all radio stations, so the market is very large.

Those three companies may only own 8% of radio stations, but I could have spent all night listing companies that are unlikely to engage with freelance VT talent, because they have a significant pool of internal talent.

Now with this new Independent Broadcasters Association, they are trying to create the same resources the big companies have. That says to me they're going to be looking for outside content creators.

Here's what Mr. Stone, founder of IBA, had to say on the matter of programming, from the IBA web site:

Shared Resources - A system that allows sharing of that talent in non-competitive situations and reduces our dependence on national syndication that requires cash, barter and sometimes both.

Says nothing suggesting they will be looking for talent. More that they will be looking to share existing talent. Meaning that if you currently work mornings in Butte, Montana, you might find yourself assigned to VT an evening show for a station with another owner in Ocala, Florida, in the same way that iHeart would have someone in Indianapolis VT for a station in Charleston.

However, I'm also curious how they intend to make this work without any remuneration changing hands.
 
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