QUASI-DANCE MUSIC SENDS HIP-HOP PACKING

[TonySantiago]

Bottom line is this:
There is never going to be a way to please and satisfy everyone, so in reality there's no point in arguing. I'm just going to say that I am happy with the direction we are headed in, despite the imperfections that exist, and I am just going to take advantage of what's happening now. There will be very limited to no arguing coming from me at all because I've noticed it doesn't really get me anywhere. In 2010, I'll just be shutting up and playing the hits.. playing whatever I like.. whatever people want to call it.. and enjoying it. Whether or not it's mainstream or can be classified and known as a genre today or not - I don't care anymore. I'm just running with the sounds I like and doing so happily. The past is gone, so I'm getting over it and just accepting things as they are today. I'm taking it very easy in 2010. It is what it is, and I'm just letting things be.

That has been my "changed" view, especially after we lost Party FM here in NYC, which is why I've settled down with my postings and if anything, getting AT people that don't understand or NEVER WILL because of their own agendas.

No one is going to be completely satisfied. But let's just take what we have and enjoy. To that, I have to think more on the casual fan. Us core fans are going to support this music, no matter what. But the reality is, there are a few of "us" and more of the "casual". And if they like Cascada, Guetta, Kim Sozzi, etc., then that's fantastic! If those that have made it can allow the doors to be opened for future artists or artists that are core but not on the mainstream level, then THAT is where the growth is and as dance music fans, we can only embrace it.

If we stay TOO strong to our beliefs, then we are still going to have the "5" terrestrial stations with only 2 of the commercial. Dance will never grow because even in the mindset of radio pros, they think we are too "fanatical" and nitpick on every little thing going on. That is why after the WMC is over, I'm going to try again but look at it on the angle of advertising because there IS an untapped audience that can be served here so as long as we can clear the "hurdles" of what the ad world perceives as the negative stereotypes (gay, druggie, the fist pumping "Jersey Shore" type)....though with the latter, as much as I hate to admit based on the growing popularity, advertisers can really channel in on that show's demos and if those demos could listen to dance music in the future, the advertisers have that "avenue" to reach to them.

That is my angle now, and as fans while we should still continue to love and support, let those that have the job DO the job and we should just be appreciative instead of snarky, cynical, critical, nitpicky, etc.

Thank you,

 

[Mid West Clubber]

With much do respect this thread is kinda silly,, I mean sure GAGA is kinda Quasi dance Whatever that means,, but Cascasda and Guetta are straight ahead dance artists,, I mean dont you want dance to succeed,, As Brett said Guetta is here to stay,, just because some DJS are doing colaborations with pop Hip hop artists means nothing.. So if an artist makes some money and gets his name out they arent pure dance anymore...PFFFFF.. GAGA is Dance/POP but still dance friendly, but Cascada and Guetta are just as much dance as they ever where.. Sexy B.tch is one of the best pop dance albums of 09...

 

[Morpheux]

Thelma Houston or whatever disco diva is not much different than Lady Gaga.In the sense that both come from a strong musical background.

Thelma Houston came from a gospel background and did the motown thing (with no success). Lady Gaga was set to go to Julliard before she changed her mind. Both are skill singers who sang/sing emerging dance sounds of their time. Same as Madonna, she came out at a time where music was changing...disco died out and she did the new dance sound of her time(the jellybeanesque records) and then was able to move on from that sound when it faded from the dance scene.That's the formula. Someone with stage presence that can sing with new dance beats. Gaga was at the right place at the right time when the sound was changing and her talent is keeping her on top.

 

[gregg75]

Gaga was lucky 3 DJs starting playing her and then everyone jumped on board. I was sick of her from day one and I'm still sick of her. Doesn't take much of her to fill you up. I love Dance music but don't love Gaga.

Guetta has been around for years and had one Dance hit and everything else seems to be Hip-Hop. He is more Hip-Hop than Dance.

OPEN YOUR EARS AND SUPPORT SOME REAL DANCE ARTISTS........Antoine Clamaran, Timmy Vegas, Kuningas, T-Spoon, U-Ness, Sophia May, Agnes, Grant Nelson, Jonni Black, Rasmus Faber, Richard Earnshaw, Jessie Malakouti, Groovesplitters, Soulshaker, Dutchican Soul, Georgie Porgie, Anthony Molina, Kimara Lovelace, No Halo, Pepper Mashay, Hott 22, Erick Morillo, Dave Spoon, Freemasons, Michael Gray, Full Intention, Stonebridge, Anastacia........................................these are the artists that get the shaft when radio plays what it wants to play..................and you tell them that it's OK.

Supporting Quasi-Dance music is like drinking instant coffee!
Talk amongst yourselves because this is my LAST post on this topic.

 

[Mid West Clubber]

Guetta HIP HOP......HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA just because he collaborated with Akon...I dont think so.. David Guetta Rocks, and if Dance Chooses not to suppor him,, then thats their loss.

 

[Dancerev889]

Gaga was lucky 3 DJs starting playing her and then everyone jumped on board. I was sick of her from day one and I'm still sick of her. Doesn't take much of her to fill you up. I love Dance music but don't love Gaga.

Guetta has been around for years and had one Dance hit and everything else seems to be Hip-Hop. He is more Hip-Hop than Dance.

OPEN YOUR EARS AND SUPPORT SOME REAL DANCE ARTISTS........Antoine Clamaran, Timmy Vegas, Kuningas, T-Spoon, U-Ness, Sophia May, Agnes, Grant Nelson, Jonni Black, Rasmus Faber, Richard Earnshaw, Jessie Malakouti, Groovesplitters, Soulshaker, Dutchican Soul, Georgie Porgie, Anthony Molina, Kimara Lovelace, No Halo, Pepper Mashay, Hott 22, Erick Morillo, Dave Spoon, Freemasons, Michael Gray, Full Intention, Stonebridge, Anastacia........................................these are the artists that get the shaft when radio plays what it wants to play..................and you tell them that it's OK.

Supporting Quasi-Dance music is like drinking instant coffee!
Talk amongst yourselves because this is my LAST post on this topic.

Lets get your facts straight about Lady Gaga. Every dance station in the US, jumped on Just Dance 4 or 5 months before she blew up. That record took off right after the DJ Expo in AC after she performed. So give the dance radio stations their due for helping launch her career.

David Guetta has more than one hit record in the world of dance music. Now lets go to your list

Sophia May - getting airplay at dance radio
Freemasons - havent seen any new product but have done well at dance radio. Love On My Mind was a huge record
Timmy Vegas - had a record on dance radio
Agnes - I believe she is in power or was in power rotation at most dance stations
Michael Gray - havent seen any new product but has received airplay
Soulshakers - received airplay at dance radio and so has their remixes
Erick Morrillo - havent seen anything recently but also has received airplay at dance radio.
Stonebridge - see Morrillo
Anastacia - havent seen any new product but still gets airplay.
Full Intention - no product sent but good remixes

Georgie Porgie and Pepper Mashay - I personally and I know a lot of dance radio supported them in the past. However at the moment, I'm not feeling their new records are going to work with our audience. Dive in the Pool was a huge club record that people still love.


The other artists I dont think I have seen come over my desk. Thats the problem. Everyone wants dance stations to support dance records but if a programmer doesnt receive the record how are they going to play it?

The other issue is what will your audience like? My audience loves Gaga, Guetta, Lucas Prata, Tiesto, Kim Sozzi, Cascada and freestyle.

Again I pass my contact information along, give this to the record promoters that are supposed to push records to radio:

Brett Holcomb
Z889 WBZC PD
601 Pemberton-Browns Mills Rd
Pemberton, NJ 08068
[email protected]
609-894-9311 ext. 1189

 

[Dancerev889]

Guetta HIP HOP......HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA just because he collaborated with Akon...I dont think so.. David Guetta Rocks, and if Dance Chooses not to suppor him,, then thats their loss.

Guetta's mixshow and when he spins is all house. I guess thats a Quasi-dance dj

 

[CHRles]

Guetta has been around for years and had one Dance hit and everything else seems to be Hip-Hop. He is more Hip-Hop than Dance.

??? ??? ??? seriously you actually wrote that? ??? ???

First of all, let's just address this whole he's more Hip Hop than Dance. Yes, he worked with Akon and yes he collaborated with the Peas on "I Gotta Feeling", but he also came out with a club banger called "Grrrr" last year which even went Top 5 on the pop charts in Belgium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxyrLQ-MMKo

As far as Guetta's bigger hits, ummm you got an hour to spare?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beGjncfEPt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sorh2MDkgwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9sxM2TflL8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6R4Uc_qtTM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riaHhTdg1dE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zudbz4hOcbc&feature=fvst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUVCQXMUVnI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXKpU8X3FZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6e3R-aA2LA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEfjBwQeAyU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtkZhxjHYCI

 

[Morpheux]

Gaga was lucky 3 DJs starting playing her and then everyone jumped on board. I was sick of her from day one and I'm still sick of her. Doesn't take much of her to fill you up. I love Dance music but don't love Gaga.

Guetta has been around for years and had one Dance hit and everything else seems to be Hip-Hop. He is more Hip-Hop than Dance.

OPEN YOUR EARS AND SUPPORT SOME REAL DANCE ARTISTS........Antoine Clamaran, Timmy Vegas, Kuningas, T-Spoon, U-Ness, Sophia May, Agnes, Grant Nelson, Jonni Black, Rasmus Faber, Richard Earnshaw, Jessie Malakouti, Groovesplitters, Soulshaker, Dutchican Soul, Georgie Porgie, Anthony Molina, Kimara Lovelace, No Halo, Pepper Mashay, Hott 22, Erick Morillo, Dave Spoon, Freemasons, Michael Gray, Full Intention, Stonebridge, Anastacia........................................these are the artists that get the shaft when radio plays what it wants to play..................and you tell them that it's OK.

Supporting Quasi-Dance music is like drinking instant coffee!
Talk amongst yourselves because this is my LAST post on this topic.

Why does it have to be your last post? Discussion is good as long as it kept respectful.We all have a difference of opinion because we all have a difference in taste. I'm more concerned how the Billboard dance charts are full of house remakes from pop artists.That's suppose to be our "territory". I'm not the only one who thinks that list is kind of bogus.


You say that the likes of Lady Gaga are taking airtime from "real" dance artist and if anything she is, along with the likes of Akon,BEP,Pitbull etc, opening the doors for more dance music on the radio. It's not like the list you of dance music you mentioned where getting major airplay and topping the charts on any radio chart.

Oh and I meant to say this in my previous post. The likes of Thelma Houston and Donna Summer with their Disco sound were the pop artists of that era. Disco was the pop sound of the late 70's. I'm sure that there were Disco purists who thought their music was water down. Yet,you hold them on a pedestal as real dance artist. Perhaps,because you grew up on this sound and were too young to know what edgier sounds were playing in the clubs back then.

 

[Wildstyle K]

Since this is somewhat related, I might as well throw it in while I still have the chance; I've decided I should stop giving KE$HA a hard time about her music because after all, my parents were able to sit through JJ Fad "Supersonic" and L'Trimm "cars that go boom" and survive, so if they could deal with that back then, I should surely be able to be strong enough to tolerate KE$HA today. One thing I must appreciate is that although she chooses not to show it at times, she truly can sing and has knowledge when it comes to creating / detecting good rhythmic patterns and melodies, and knowing how to arrange her material over them.

I must apologize once again for always being a party pooper of a good fight or debate and coming in with something a bit off the wall..

 

[Morpheux]

JJ Fad is who came to mind when I heard Tik Tok by Ke$ha. I was annoyed by her $ sign at first till I found it what it really represented. It turns out that she's the singer on "Right Round" and she never got credit for it or any money.She might be pop but her sound on this album is definitely electro music wise.

 

[Morpheux]

I forgot to add that ever since March of 99 I have been listening to the most amount of pop music since the late 80's.There has just been so much good pop out lately.It's bizzare cause I always view pop as water down and not for me. I realize that some of it has to do with the amount of uptempo pop hits on radio now. However,I find myself listening to Kings of Leon and Owl City.Unless even more incredible happens on pop this year this is going to be it. There are about ten major freestyle compilation and albums coming out this year.If any of it is close to the caliber on this new cd below then I'm going to be freestyled out.

http://www.emusic.com/album/Various...0-We-re-Back-Again-MP3-Download/11806957.html

 

[gregg75]

I'M BACK...........

Thanks for the kind words Morpheux. I felt like I was banging my head against a wall.

I mentioned Thelma Houston and Donna Summer because they are still being played, everybody
knows who they are..........Sister Sledge, etc. etc. UNLIKE SOME OTHER ARTISTS WHO DID
NOT PASS THE TEST OF TIME. Thelma and Donna and Patrice Rushen are timeless. They
proudly wear the DANCE banner and hold their heads up high.

Yeah, Billboard sucks. They track 12" sales data into their mix......and when Akon puts out a 12"
........whoop there he is. Their whole Dance formula is messed up. I don't think they've really had a large
Dance chart revamp in about 15 years. I'm with you. Their R&B chart is VOID of Dance product.....why
should we have to put up with their Quasi-Dance Hip-Hop songs, which the clubs I go to are not playing.

I think most of their charts are flawed. What radio station actually plays everything in the top 15 on their Billboard chart??? It seems most choose and pick- play #1,2,3,6,8,12. Unlike the 70's when every station played
just about everything.

And another thing......this is the DANCE board. If your interests are in Top-40, CHR, College Rock maybe
you should be posting on that board. How can we enjoy our turkey dinner listening to Jamiroquai when you keep reachin' over and shovin' your Kelly Clarkson hamburger in our face??? Get your own table.

 

[Dancerev889]

I'M BACK...........

Thanks for the kind words Morpheux. I felt like I was banging my head against a wall.

I mentioned Thelma Houston and Donna Summer because they are still being played, everybody
knows who they are..........Sister Sledge, etc. etc. UNLIKE SOME OTHER ARTISTS WHO DID
NOT PASS THE TEST OF TIME. Thelma and Donna and Patrice Rushen are timeless. They
proudly wear the DANCE banner and hold their heads up high.

Yeah, Billboard sucks. They track 12" sales data into their mix......and when Akon puts out a 12"
........whoop there he is. Their whole Dance formula is messed up. I don't think they've really had a large
Dance chart revamp in about 15 years. I'm with you. Their R&B chart is VOID of Dance product.....why
should we have to put up with their Quasi-Dance Hip-Hop songs, which the clubs I go to are not playing.

I think most of their charts are flawed. What radio station actually plays everything in the top 15 on their Billboard chart??? It seems most choose and pick- play #1,2,3,6,8,12. Unlike the 70's when every station played
just about everything.

And another thing......this is the DANCE board. If your interests are in Top-40, CHR, College Rock maybe
you should be posting on that board. How can we enjoy our turkey dinner listening to Jamiroquai when you keep reachin' over and shovin' your Kelly Clarkson hamburger in our face??? Get your own table.

Wow what Kool-Aid are you drinking? Ask an 18 year old who Thelma Houston is and they would probably say is that Whitney Houston's sister. They might know Donna Summer. Those records maybe timeless to you but to the younger generation, they dont listen to that.

Who made you the gate keeper on what dance music is? No one here is talking about college rock and just because someone is playing at Kelly Clarkson record thats remixes does not mean its a bad thing.

Do a little research and check out what the dance stations are playing. www.fmqb.com look for the dance airplay charts.

BTW thanks for trying to take a cheap shot at me in a private message. I'm sorry we are at the top of the ratings charts but my goal is to train students about radio first and foremost. I am proud of what my students and staff have accomplished over the years and we continue to break new ground. But who am I to judge what real dance music is because oh wait we play someone that became popular to the masses

 

[gregg75]

Yeah.........you're doing a great job....... rated #60 in Philly! Break out the twinkies and Yahoos.
I think Richard Simmons could get better ratings.

Your problem is that you are TOO FOCUSED on the present. Get your head out of the clouds.
Everything is not about the PRESENT. Dance is a healthy mix of new and OLD.

You're only at a third rate college station.................not WKTU-Bug Tussle.

 

[gregg75]

P.S.

I guess once Dance music fades from CURRENT radio, we are to lock it up and throw away the key..........in your world.

 

[CHRles]

Gregg, seriously you're not scoring any points here with anyone with your posts.
There's a difference between a Dance station versus a Rhythmic AC or Disco/Dance Classics station.
Z-88.9 is focused on areas in southern Jersey where its signal is strongest, not on Philadelphia.

You should just start a Thelma Houston fanclub on facebook and just leave this message board alone.

 

[JohnParker]

The 70's were a totally different era of music that simply cannot be compared to todays music for a variety of reasons. Donna Summer hasn't been "dance" in a very long time. She's created dozens of timeless dance classics but it's not where she's at today.

Thelma Houston was dance. She now does dinner theatre in the Pacific Northwest. That's where her head is at, again not current day dance music.

Sister Sledge? C'mon.

The charts, outside of the radio chart, that appear in Billboard are what they are. Some will agree with them, some won't. But as with any chart, you can mold the results to the ones that you want by tracking with only certain people that play the music that you wish to appear on the chart. Not sure that you're implying this but the retail sales data that they track has no effect on the club play or radio dance charts.

Very few stations in any format plays the Top 15 record on a chart. There is only one station on the FMQB Combined Dance charts that is playing all the records in the Top 15. The chart reflects what the combination of it's reporters play. That's it. Playing what is Top 25 or Top 10 on the charts is not a way to program a station.

Brett runs an excellent program at his college. They don't do it for ratings in Philly. The goal of the station is to teach students about radio and they succeed. They happen to play dance music and that is very important to the national picture of dance music from a marketing and sales standpoint.

If you're running a dance station in America it is about the here and now. Sure you can play some oldies for flavor, much like I do, but todays audience isn't interested in hearing much more than one an hour. Unless of course you are running an oldies station.

Not sure where the venom is coming from but like CHRles says your attacks aren't winning you any points or respect with the people here. There are better ways to have a discussion.

jp

 

[willcalder]

John you're absolutely correct. I've noticed it too with iPartyRadio. We used to play a lot more golds than we do now and over time it started to really hurt the numbers. Based on our research our listeners are primarily aged 18-34 with a male lean. They have no desire to hear the old 70s and 80s dance cuts. Even the 90s gold that we all know and love is starting to not really research well and become less familiar.Crazy huh, 1990 is now 20 years ago and so is C+C Music Factory "Gonna Make You Sweat" and CeCe Penistion "Finally" (well that was 92, but you get the point)...

Because of this trend, we recently dumped our "Workday Rewind" Noon hour retro show to play currents and have definitely noticed an improvement in our overall daytime numbers.

It's now 2010, times have changed. Sometimes it's best to let the past be the past. Today's 18-34 year-olds could care less about those retro cuts. Sad, but it's just the way it is.

 

[TonySantiago]

I was going to say something, but John pretty much nailed it.

I will add this....Gregg, if you do feel that passionate about the "heritage" of dance music in regards to the disco era, there is a Rhythmic/AC board here whereas you can discuss your angle regarding that aspect of dance music from an earlier generation. As a 12 year old kid growing up in NYC, my dial was GLUED to 'KTU back then.

But yeah, to bash on people makes you look bad and actually makes DANCE FANS as a whole look bad. It's as if we are NEVER satisfied with what is being offered and that creates huge divides.