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QUASI-DANCE MUSIC SENDS HIP-HOP PACKING

Some stations like mine do well with Classic Dance and oldschool rave.. I also have an audience of mainly 35-60 yr old gay men,, I didnt intentionally target any audience, but they embraced my station, and I play what they like. Check me out on Ustream under Radio Active 93.5 and you can also see a pic of me and my cat. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/radio-active-93-5-dance-music
 
the cat is the cute one,, and im the creepy guy holding her.... Her name is Meow Meow.. This station is also heard on the air on 93.5 with 3 watts,, about a 7-8 mile radious on a car radio.... SHHHHHHH ;D Not to toot my own horn,.,, but I broadcast in 224k,, the highest of any dance station.. I dont run processing either,, and all the CDs are ripped at 320k.so it sounds just like a natural CD
 
You guys just don't get it.
Dance music is not 2004-2010...............Dance music is about 1976-2010. Is this the CONTEMPORARY DANCE BOARD? Maybe we need sub categories. I'm not hung up on OLD Dance.......I'm just respectfulof it.

How can you guys call yourself Dance when you're only seeing 20% of the pie?

I don't care what you think of me. I have a degree in Broadcasting from a Top-10 University and have been promoting Dance for many years. I didn't just show up yesterday. I even had a Dance show on 100,000 watts FM that was #1 in the market..........back in the day. We don't have to be friends.

.......but I just happened to find this Dance board by accident about a month ago.......and thought I'd try to contribute and bring a little LIFE to it......I'm not here trying to start World War III. But you ALL should be able to discuss and talk sensible and open your minds to others views and concerns. We don't have to all agree on everything........that would be dull. But, I'm not going to let somebody wise crack my intergrity......I don't care who they are.
 
Calvin harris "I created disco", Infernal "keen on disco", akcent "king of disco", groovestate "disco disco" ....European producer's references to disco have actually increased. Fusion radio chicago is proudly standing on thelma houston's shoulders and every other disco artist and I'm proud of that fact. now lay off LADY GAGA!! lol
 
The guys here do get it. But they are also aware that the people that listen to their stations don't want to hear classic disco era artists outside of a specialty show.

That doesn't mean that every station in existance is the same. My station is different from Fusion which is different from WBZC which is different from C89.5 and so on. I play some stuff from the 70's in my music mix but it's also among the worst testing tracks I play. On the other hand a station like WKTU plays records from all eras very successfully. Then again, it's NYC which as we all know was the Disco stronghold throughout the 70's and 80's.

As for my creditials with oldies, I started the Dance Music Hall of Fame years ago that got so little support from the industry that we had to shut it down as the funding wasn't there after 2 years and 2 major events. I've got excellent footage of the shows and some great memories of reuniting groups like the original Trammps that hadn't performed together in more than 25 years. Some of the people that you say don't get it were some of the biggest supporters we had.

What's your last name Gregg. Being that you've been a dance music promoter for 20 years our paths must have crossed before. Always like to know who I'm talking to. ;)

jp
 
Breaking it down....

gregg75 said:
You guys just don't get it.
Dance music is not 2004-2010...............Dance music is about 1976-2010. Is this the CONTEMPORARY DANCE BOARD? Maybe we need sub categories. I'm not hung up on OLD Dance.......I'm just respectfulof it.
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John Parker hit it on the head and his accomplishments with the Dance Music Hall Of Fame, that he created, speaks for itself. And regarding "sub categories", there is a Rhythmic/AC board that deals with the older aspect of dance music along with stations that play it such as 'KTU (though not lately), My1061 and 93.9MIA, just to name a few. And for me, I am VERY respectable with "heritage" dance (I hate calling things "old"). Just the other day on my FB profile I was going through remixes/edits done by the Latin Rascals in 1984/1985 from the original 92/KTU in NYC. Those mixes really blew me away considering all they had back then were reel-to-reels and splicing, definitely A LONG process and certainly a far cry from "Fruity Loops" and "Serato". And if you really want to be specific, dance music really goes back to 1973 when Van McCoy "The Hustle" came out.


gregg75 said:
How can you guys call yourself Dance when you're only seeing 20% of the pie?
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We see the pie. And just as much as people our age and older (I'm 43) can go back to the heritage of what dance music was about, we also have to CONTINUE that heritage to today's younger/ teen-twentysomething generation. And that has been a problem for quite a while since most young folks today are not as exposed to dance music as we were. Yet for what is out there and for what they like, we have to continue on and not let this thing called "dance" fade off. That way, 20 years from now they can discuss their life experience growing up with the music that is being heard today, and so on to the next generations.

gregg75 said:
I don't care what you think of me. I have a degree in Broadcasting from a Top-10 University and have been promoting Dance for many years. I didn't just show up yesterday. I even had a Dance show on 100,000 watts FM that was #1 in the market..........back in the day. We don't have to be friends.
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I'm not here to "hate" on anyone, whether I agree with them or not. And if we're going to go by credentials here, I also have a degree in Broadcast Communications as well (Marist College, B.A. '88) and have been a dance fan since 7. I tried doing a house show (getting records from Chicago back in '86) on college radio but the administration wouldn't let me figuring I would "ghettoize" the college. That anger, as well as hearing other markets after we lost Hot 97 (NYC) to hip-hop, led to the creation of the coalition in 1994. I went through my battles and struggles but I will NEVER give up my passion for this music. It ends when I die. And yes we don't have to be friends, but at the very least we can at least be cordial to each others opinons whether or not we agree with them. And if there is something I agree with you on, I'll stand by it. Likewise if not, then I'm going to say it in a well constructed manner without agitating anyone in the process.

gregg75 said:
.......but I just happened to find this Dance board by accident about a month ago.......and thought I'd try to contribute and bring a little LIFE to it......I'm not here trying to start World War III. But you ALL should be able to discuss and talk sensible and open your minds to others views and concerns. We don't have to all agree on everything........that would be dull. But, I'm not going to let somebody wise crack my intergrity......I don't care who they are.
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Yeah, but you're bringing the wrong "LIFE" into it by agitating and bashing on others in here that are professionals. That's not cool and while you're not trying to start World War III, you are certainly bringing your own reputation down, as illustrious as you have noted on the second paragraph, by coming off as harsh as you did in past post.

You talk about integrity. Integrity and respect work hand in hand. You could be the most well versed person in this group, in terms of your experience with the music, but if you're posts come off as putting off a "fight" with others in here and not listening to reason on their side, even if you don't agree with them, then you don't gain "respect". Believe me, there were times I've disagreed with these guys and they have disagreed with me, but we are all about the "love of the music" and know that deep down what we discuss we do so out of that love. And in that regard, that is where we all have that respect for one another. These guys are "brothers from another mother" to me :) and even if we don't agree on things, I know that deep down they love dance music just as much as I do and want nothing more than the respect of the sounds. That's what I push for every day in my life as an activist/mentor.

If you feel we are cracking on your integrity, that's because you're coming off rather "bombastic" and to that your credibility does become "shot" and your respect "meter" leans on the negative side. No, we don't have to be friends. But at least be respectable of our views as much as if you come off with positive "candor" on your thoughts, we'll be respectful of yours.

If you can do that, then WELCOME to the "Dance" board! :) But if you still go about things in a negative and nihilistic manner, you will learn that the board can be a "lonely place". Especially if you bring something that has a strong point and makes sense; with the negative mannerisms of your posts. you have distanced yourself from everyone else and people (especially those that are IN the industry and DO matter) will just "skip right by" it being that they don't want to deal with you.

Take time to think about this before you reply. I think I can say on behalf of everyone that we do respect the heritage of dance music. If it wasn't for that heritage, the music would not have developed and progressed to what it is today. A lot of creativity came out from those times and in some ways I wish some of that creativity would come back today. Yet, we are here in 2010 and we have to push forward for the growth of our music to future generations. When my daughter (who is 6 now) is in her 20's I would certainly want for her to push the heritage of dance music (that is if she likes it) to her children, and so on and so forth.

Thank you for reading this,
TS
 
gregg75 said:
You guys just don't get it.
Dance music is not 2004-2010...............Dance music is about 1976-2010. Is this the CONTEMPORARY DANCE BOARD? Maybe we need sub categories. I'm not hung up on OLD Dance.......I'm just respectfulof it.

How can you guys call yourself Dance when you're only seeing 20% of the pie?

I don't care what you think of me. I have a degree in Broadcasting from a Top-10 University and have been promoting Dance for many years. I didn't just show up yesterday. I even had a Dance show on 100,000 watts FM that was #1 in the market..........back in the day. We don't have to be friends.

.......but I just happened to find this Dance board by accident about a month ago.......and thought I'd try to contribute and bring a little LIFE to it......I'm not here trying to start World War III. But you ALL should be able to discuss and talk sensible and open your minds to others views and concerns. We don't have to all agree on everything........that would be dull. But, I'm not going to let somebody wise crack my intergrity......I don't care who they are.
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We do get it. I'm not going to put my resume on here because it is unnecessary. We all respect the past and as John Parker mentioned, some of us had involvement with the dance music hall of fame. I was upset that it did not work out because I thought it was a great thing. Dance music is making a great return to the mainstream. You may not like some of the current artists but they are dance artists and they do champion the genre.

John said it best every station is different but you are talking about 40 years of music for a station to play. I dont know too many stations that do that. Does a rock station still play Elvis Presley, The King of Rock N Roll? Do all Urban stations play records for Motown?
 
Well I think you guys could be a bit more nice. Really, requiring someones history to be able to
post on here................that's so 1982.

Someone posted a BOOK above and I read some of it........we all have ideas and opinions. The most
popular opinion is not always the RIGHT one.

Yes to the guy about the Hall Of Fame. We have exchanged several e-mails, but that's about it.

I know some of you "on the air" only seek the 18 year olds, but I think WKTU and several other
similar stations have the BEST MIX.....................and they don't seem to be suffering because of it.
Maybe you should give it a try.........it's working FINE for them and various other stations.
 
Breakdown...Part 2:

gregg75 said:
Well I think you guys could be a bit more nice. Really, requiring someones history to be able to
post on here................that's so 1982.
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You opened that door regarding your "history" so, as they say when you point a finger at someone, three point right back at you.


gregg75 said:
Someone posted a BOOK above and I read some of it........we all have ideas and opinions. The most
popular opinion is not always the RIGHT one.
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That "someone" would be me. Please read more of my "book" (I do sign autographs! :D ) There is a point behind it all. Yes, you can have ideas and opinions, and they don't have to be popular or right. They are what they are, OPINIONS. But when you start attacking people (and lets face it, experience or not you're still a relative "newbie" in here) then for whatever credibility you may have, you are shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to wanting some sort of "integrity". I'm just calling it as I see it pal. And how can you expect US to be "nice" when your first post comes off as an equivalent to a robber bursting into a bank??? Think we're all smiling here? ???

gregg75 said:
I know some of you "on the air" only seek the 18 year olds, but I think WKTU and several other
similar stations have the BEST MIX.....................and they don't seem to be suffering because of it.
Maybe you should give it a try.........it's working FINE for them and various other stations.
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Then that's exactly why you need to go to the Rhythmic A/C board of here. If your thinking is like-minded as them (and some of us DO post in there too) then you may feel more comfortable with your thoughts in there. As a matter of, I'll do you the favor of posting the link to that group. No need to thank me :)
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?board=321.0

And not for nothing, NO ONE HERE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT WKTU! They, and stations like it, serve their demographics very well. No arguments on it. But terrestrial radio itself has mostly alienated themselves away from the under 25 market. So when you have guys like Dancerev and the very few like him doing something cutting edge and "exciting" for that audience, they have to be plauded for it. It's no easy task.

If you REALLY cared about dance music, then you may not have to like what the 18 year olders are listening, but if the music doesn't get out to them or future generations, however they like it even if it is "different" to those of an older generation, then dance music will DIE (add to the fact that we'll die off along the way, and you have few of us older listeners tuning in......don't have to go that far to see the effect, take a look at the oldies stations. The 50's aspect is disappearing as most stations are touching into the 80's and in some cases, early 90's).
 
I'm not going to another board..........I'm Dance. I'll just stick to the Atlanta TV and radio boards and let you all have it.........and preach amongst yourselves.
 
Thanks Tony.

Ok, so I did an e-mail search for any dealings with a Gregg Clark and I did have an e-mail exchange with him on December 18, 2003. Yeah, I save things. ;)

I get it now. He's a big fan of old school dance music and had (may still have) a website and newsletter at the time that talked about dance music, although I don't know if it was old music, new music or both.

I'm sure that many dance stations will offer him the music mix he's looking for. I don't believe that anyone here will be changing their music mix though.

jp
 
JohnParker said:
Thanks Tony.

Ok, so I did an e-mail search for any dealings with a Gregg Clark and I did have an e-mail exchange with him on December 18, 2003. Yeah, I save things. ;)

I get it now. He's a big fan of old school dance music and had (may still have) a website and newsletter at the time that talked about dance music, although I don't know if it was old music, new music or both.

I'm sure that many dance stations will offer him the music mix he's looking for. I don't believe that anyone here will be changing their music mix though.

jp
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I don't think anyone is going to change a thing here :). I'm still doing my "New Music Mondays". You, Brett, Will and all of the other terrestrial programmers and Internet streamers out there are going to continue to do what you're all doing. And for that matter, the 'KTU's, My1061, 93.9MIA and the other rhythmic A/C stations will do what they do. Nothing wrong with that. :) Likewise, there are a couple of online stations out there that do cater to heritage sounds. Whether it is disco, R&B vocals, classic house, techno, freestyle, they are out there.

Sad part of it all, Gregg could have PARTICIPATED in our discussions here. We've told him, more than enough times, that we do appreciate the heritage of dance music. I think if he would have came in here with his arguments, but have done so in a "nicer, kinder" fashion, then we would have engaged posts with him in said manner. Instead what does he do? Blow up on Brett, get snarky on others, therefore alienating himself. And the funny part...he says "we don't get it"! Uh-huh ::)

Well, he did the right thing by leaving because this group REALLY ISN'T for him. He clearly doesn't have the right attitude about things and that is very unfortunate. No one has to agree with each others opinions, but at the very least if you come through "respectable", then he probably could have accomplished a lot more with his thoughts than what he did coming in here with his "mask and guns" on "ready" to rob the bank.

And THAT is also an opinion and no one has to agree with what I said just now :)
 
After much thought and consideration over the past few weeks, I've come to the conclusion that I agree in some ways about using the term "quasi-dance". Why? Because ever since I've heard (or seen) this term, there have been many songs I've heard that make my subconscious mind scream "quasi-dance"!

I think by using "quasi-dance", he's referring to those producers / artists that use (well what's a descriptive way to put this?) .. "fake" dance beats that sort of "bite off" of the dance sound, but just don't quite go all the way. Not only that, but also those songs that you hear and you know very well could've done well as a straight up dance track, but something along the lines of the choice of melodic arrangement, beat pattern, lack of hi hat.. or type of drum sounds used, just jacks it all up. In other words, that ONE thing that seems to always be present in many electro-pop tunes today to make what could've easily been a dance hit, not cross that line between "dance / not dance". (Example? Pitbull - shut it down: He did not mess around with this song - straight up used all elements of a true dance sound, despite the rapping. Rihanna - Disturbia: QUASI!! could've easily been a dance track, but drum beats extremely watered down to the point it even messes up the flow / stands out in dance mix sets to a certain degree. Ne-yo - Closer: Semi-Quasi!! While it contains many elements of a true dance track, it still remains a bit light, but would be a little heavy in comparison to a chill out / jazzy vocal house set in many cases. It's dance, but on a lighter degree. This is my Quasi meter scale).

While we are still stuck in a state of confusion where no one really knows what booty bass, latin house, freestyle, electro, breakbeat...etc. is anymore (like they used to back in the 80's and 90's), I've got to be thankful to some extent that at least someone is trying to find a name for the sound, regardless of how nice or not nice it may sound to people. (Try to use the term "electro" or "booty bass" or "freestyle" and see how many people you can get to know precisely what sound you're trying to describe today. Then after, try saying "hip hop" or "pop" or "alternative, country, jazz" and see if the level of confusion rises, or declines regarding those other genres in comparison.) I bet if the term "quasi-dance" took off and became the next big thing, no one would have problems with it anymore, and the word "Quasi" would become a positive thing, (similar to how when the name "Sting" was a name used to make fun of the lead singer of the band, Sting, back in his school days, and then he turned around, decided to use it and made it a positive thing, which he's now famous with).

* --> Now, I should make it very clear, that as I didn't read many sections of this post, I am only agreeing SPECIFICALLY TO the choice to make use of the name "quasi-dance" and THAT'S IT. I have not really read enough to make a formal judgement on whether or not I agree with any other areas of talk regarding this issue, or who I agree or disagree with. My agreement lies specifically in regards to the term "quasi-dance", and my thoughts regarding to why I believe he has chosen to use that term. Honestly, the term does fit the description we've been seriously lacking for the type of sound many people are producing today, and calling everything "electro-pop, electro-hiphop, or just hip hop" period these days just isn't cutting it. The term "electro-pop" itself is too broad, as is the term "pop" as well.

"Quasi-Dance" music sends hip-hop packing" - When you really think of it, that in itself is PRECISELY what has happened. This in many ways is just a sign of the modernization and evolution in music. I'm sure as disco and freestyle beats began to get harder, transforming into house and 90's to mid 00's trancey break sounds, the old schoolers didn't like the fact what they knew has been skewed or transformed and had their names for the new, harder sound.

Until next time, enjoy your day folks  :)
 
gregg75 said:
In the early 90's Dance music radio was edged out by the emerging Hip-Hop scene. Now, the tables have turned. Although I'm not a big fan of Quasi-Dance music ( Gaga, Guetta, Cascada, etc.) it looks like they may have put the final nails in the CROSSOVER Hip-Hop coffin. To me, Quasi-Dance music is weak, watered down, oatmealish Dance music (similar to dipping only your toes into a Dance ocean). Why not jump in head first and enjoy the likes of Sofia May, Stonebridge, Richard Earnshaw, Grant Nelson and other less appreciated artists?

Anyway, Quasi-Dance music seems to be very popular at Top-40 and contemporary leaning radio stations attempting to be "hip" but affraid to play less appreciated Dance artists. When they spin those tracks it leaves less CROSSOVER airplay for Rap & Hip-Hop. With 100+ stations spinning Lady Gaga, the airplay of artists like Jay-Z and T.I. is GREATLY REDUCED. Thus, "Gangsta Sunday" fails to enter the Top-10 or even crack the Top-30. Add this to the general downslid of Hip-Hop's appeal, and the resluts are dramatic. CROSSOVER Rap & Hip-Hop appears to be on it's last lap. Although Urban radio will always have a place for Hip-Hop, many Pop and Top-40 stations have had just about enough.
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What makes Cascada "quasi-dance" rather than pure dance? Songs like "Everytime We Touch", "Miracle", and "What Hurts The Most" are no less "dance" than anything from Benny Benassi, Lords of Acid, Prodigy, etc.
 
Lords of Acid and prodigy are closer to rock or ALTernative dance,,, though I love both bands.
 
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