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Question about Digital?
- Thread starter whopper
- Start date
> It is my understanding that Kiss 98.5 in Columbia is now
> broadcasting in digital. Is this the first in Columbia? Is
> this the first in the state? I know some of you technically
> efficient guys will know this.
>
WLTY has been digital since their switch to the WCOS-FM tower and upgrade to Class C.
I don't know about anyone else.
I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD radios the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
> broadcasting in digital. Is this the first in Columbia? Is
> this the first in the state? I know some of you technically
> efficient guys will know this.
>
WLTY has been digital since their switch to the WCOS-FM tower and upgrade to Class C.
I don't know about anyone else.
I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD radios the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
> > It is my understanding that Kiss 98.5 in Columbia is now
> > broadcasting in digital. Is this the first in Columbia?
> Is
> > this the first in the state? I know some of you
> technically
> > efficient guys will know this.
> >
>
> WLTY has been digital since their switch to the WCOS-FM
> tower and upgrade to Class C.
>
> I don't know about anyone else.
>
> I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and
> trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD radios
> the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
> 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
I don't think Kiss is but 100.1 IS and has been running IBOC well before 96.7. Also 1400 is also....Beasley's WGAC on 580 is also, and it interferes with WVOC when you get closer to Augusta on I-20.
Powell
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> > broadcasting in digital. Is this the first in Columbia?
> Is
> > this the first in the state? I know some of you
> technically
> > efficient guys will know this.
> >
>
> WLTY has been digital since their switch to the WCOS-FM
> tower and upgrade to Class C.
>
> I don't know about anyone else.
>
> I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and
> trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD radios
> the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
> 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
I don't think Kiss is but 100.1 IS and has been running IBOC well before 96.7. Also 1400 is also....Beasley's WGAC on 580 is also, and it interferes with WVOC when you get closer to Augusta on I-20.
Powell
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> I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and
> trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD radios
> the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
> 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
>
I hear a lot of cynicism about HD but remain undecided myself. How is Eurkea 147 better? I am concerned that what's driving this is the opportunity to multicast, without regard to the problems it will allegedly cause. <P ID="signature">______________
"We've only been wealthy in this country for 70 years. Who said we ought to have all this? Is it ordained?" - Jack Welch, retired GE CEO
<a href="http://saltydog.5gigs.com">
The Salty Dog</a>
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> trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD radios
> the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
> 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
>
I hear a lot of cynicism about HD but remain undecided myself. How is Eurkea 147 better? I am concerned that what's driving this is the opportunity to multicast, without regard to the problems it will allegedly cause. <P ID="signature">______________
"We've only been wealthy in this country for 70 years. Who said we ought to have all this? Is it ordained?" - Jack Welch, retired GE CEO
<a href="http://saltydog.5gigs.com">
The Salty Dog</a>
</P>
> > I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and
> > trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD
> radios
> > the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> > audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
>
> > 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
> >
>
> I hear a lot of cynicism about HD but remain undecided
> myself. How is Eurkea 147 better? I am concerned that what's
> driving this is the opportunity to multicast, without regard
> to the problems it will allegedly cause.
>
Eureka 147 is the European and Canadian system. It operates in a separate band (often with co-located licensees) and has an open-codec system. Generally, you have higher quality audio without the compromises built into the IBOC System. IBOC's big difficulty is trying to cram data into a very limited bandwidth... and fudging a bit with the occupied channel, too.
XM and Sirius have shown its not difficult for consumers to select more than the AM and FM buttons on their receivers... which was one of the reasons for going with the IBOC system.
> > trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD
> radios
> > the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> > audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
>
> > 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
> >
>
> I hear a lot of cynicism about HD but remain undecided
> myself. How is Eurkea 147 better? I am concerned that what's
> driving this is the opportunity to multicast, without regard
> to the problems it will allegedly cause.
>
Eureka 147 is the European and Canadian system. It operates in a separate band (often with co-located licensees) and has an open-codec system. Generally, you have higher quality audio without the compromises built into the IBOC System. IBOC's big difficulty is trying to cram data into a very limited bandwidth... and fudging a bit with the occupied channel, too.
XM and Sirius have shown its not difficult for consumers to select more than the AM and FM buttons on their receivers... which was one of the reasons for going with the IBOC system.
> > > It is my understanding that Kiss 98.5 in Columbia is now
>
> > > broadcasting in digital. Is this the first in Columbia?
>
> > Is
> > > this the first in the state? I know some of you
> > technically
> > > efficient guys will know this.
> > >
> >
> > WLTY has been digital since their switch to the WCOS-FM
> > tower and upgrade to Class C.
> >
> > I don't know about anyone else.
> >
> > I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and
> > trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD
> radios
> > the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> > audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
>
> > 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
>
>
> I don't think Kiss is but 100.1 IS and has been running IBOC
> well before 96.7. Also 1400 is also....Beasley's WGAC on 580
> is also, and it interferes with WVOC when you get closer to
> Augusta on I-20.
>
>
> Powell
>
IBOC on AM continues to be a disaster. The DRM standard should have been adopted. If it works for shortwave, it would clearly work on AM even on the graveyard channels.
>
> > > broadcasting in digital. Is this the first in Columbia?
>
> > Is
> > > this the first in the state? I know some of you
> > technically
> > > efficient guys will know this.
> > >
> >
> > WLTY has been digital since their switch to the WCOS-FM
> > tower and upgrade to Class C.
> >
> > I don't know about anyone else.
> >
> > I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and
> > trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD
> radios
> > the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> > audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
>
> > 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
>
>
> I don't think Kiss is but 100.1 IS and has been running IBOC
> well before 96.7. Also 1400 is also....Beasley's WGAC on 580
> is also, and it interferes with WVOC when you get closer to
> Augusta on I-20.
>
>
> Powell
>
IBOC on AM continues to be a disaster. The DRM standard should have been adopted. If it works for shortwave, it would clearly work on AM even on the graveyard channels.
> IBOC on AM continues to be a disaster. The DRM standard
> should have been adopted. If it works for shortwave, it
> would clearly work on AM even on the graveyard channels.
DRM in a hybrid mode also has the same fault as IBOC, but not as bad. DRM on shortwave is a bandwidth hog, and if you don't have a VERY strong signal it doesn't decode. ANY analog interference kills the DRM on the spot. It's more robust than IBOC in this respect, but not an awful lot better. And I expect neither IBOC or DRM in all digital mode on a an old graveyard frequency (for those who don't know...1230,1240,1340,1400,1450 and 1490) and 200 some stations on EACH of these frequencies.....ah I don't expect decoding more than a few miles at best.
Powell
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> should have been adopted. If it works for shortwave, it
> would clearly work on AM even on the graveyard channels.
DRM in a hybrid mode also has the same fault as IBOC, but not as bad. DRM on shortwave is a bandwidth hog, and if you don't have a VERY strong signal it doesn't decode. ANY analog interference kills the DRM on the spot. It's more robust than IBOC in this respect, but not an awful lot better. And I expect neither IBOC or DRM in all digital mode on a an old graveyard frequency (for those who don't know...1230,1240,1340,1400,1450 and 1490) and 200 some stations on EACH of these frequencies.....ah I don't expect decoding more than a few miles at best.
Powell
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>
> I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and
> trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD radios
> the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
> 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
>
The Eureka system would have been far better for the listener. But if you're Clear Channel and Infinity and you've paid premium prices to get the big 50 KW AM's and Class C FM's, do you suddenly want your real estate to be right next to and valued the same as the guy who bought the daytimer up the dial.
If IBOC is fully implemented on AM, only a few stations will be able to survive the chaos and anarchy until the analog can be turned off. Who owns those few stations?
Once again, it's the Golden Rule at work. And since CC and the big boys have all the gold....
> I am a bit of a cynic on HD Radio. All the expense and
> trouble in order to provide the very very few with HD radios
> the opportunity to hear Internet-quality bit-compressed
> audio. I fail to see the real progress in this. The Eureka
> 147 system would have been a far better way to go.
>
The Eureka system would have been far better for the listener. But if you're Clear Channel and Infinity and you've paid premium prices to get the big 50 KW AM's and Class C FM's, do you suddenly want your real estate to be right next to and valued the same as the guy who bought the daytimer up the dial.
If IBOC is fully implemented on AM, only a few stations will be able to survive the chaos and anarchy until the analog can be turned off. Who owns those few stations?
Once again, it's the Golden Rule at work. And since CC and the big boys have all the gold....
> If IBOC is fully implemented on AM, only a few stations will
> be able to survive the chaos and anarchy until the analog
> can be turned off. Who owns those few stations?
>
> Once again, it's the Golden Rule at work. And since CC and
> the big boys have all the gold....
There's no indication that the IBOC digital stream, in real-world use, will ever be as robust as the analog signal. One programming consultant got one of the new Boston Acoustic Recepter HD radios and had an excruciting time trying to pull in HD signals. See the link at www.current.org
> be able to survive the chaos and anarchy until the analog
> can be turned off. Who owns those few stations?
>
> Once again, it's the Golden Rule at work. And since CC and
> the big boys have all the gold....
There's no indication that the IBOC digital stream, in real-world use, will ever be as robust as the analog signal. One programming consultant got one of the new Boston Acoustic Recepter HD radios and had an excruciting time trying to pull in HD signals. See the link at www.current.org
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