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Question about NBC Daytime
- Thread starter Kurt Toy
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No. And they're force-feeding the O&O's crap this year (WVIT Hartford, WCAU Philly, WNBC NYC, WRC DC, etc) - Access Hollywood Live (a one hour program in addition to the half hour Access Hollywood that airs in the evening) and Real Housewives (reruns of the stupid reality show from sister network Bravo).
Didn't the daytime audience vastly shrink starting in the late 60s anyway?
And....to make matters worse....NBC's track record when it came to launching successful soap operas left a lot to be desired.
As I recall, the only true "hits" they had were "The Doctors", "Days of Our Lives", and "Another World".....and they wouldn't even have gotten "Another World" if CBS hadn't already turned it down.
As I recall, the only true "hits" they had were "The Doctors", "Days of Our Lives", and "Another World".....and they wouldn't even have gotten "Another World" if CBS hadn't already turned it down.
Remember that crap called Passions. That was the worst soap opera ever!
In the 70's and 80's NBC dug their own hole by letting stations get away with dropping so much of their daytime schedule and replacing it with syndicated talk shows. WMC 5 in Memphis was one of the worst. NBC should have penalized stations rather than letting them get away with it.
And as Ancil Payne, onetime head of King Broadcasting, which
owned NBC affiliates KING Seattle and KGW Portland, once said,
"The big screw-up was Lin Bolen." She canceled "Jeopardy!",
"Concentration," and several other games which hadn't been doing
that badly but looked too old-fashioned for her taste. Except for
"Wheel," most of the replacements came and went fairly quickly.
As for the soaps, "Days," "AW," and "The Doctors" are the only NBC
soaps to have lasted more than 10 years. Contrast that to ABC, with
"General Hospital" (47), "One Life To Live" (42), "All My Children" (40),
"Loving" (14), and "Ryan's Hope" (just shy of 14); or to CBS, with "Guiding
Light" (57 just on television), "As The World Turns" (54), "Young And
The Restless" (37), "Search For Tomorrow" (35 before moving to NBC),
"Love Of Life" (28), "Bold And The Beautiful" (23), "Secret Storm" (20),
and "Edge Of Night" (19 before moving to ABC).
owned NBC affiliates KING Seattle and KGW Portland, once said,
"The big screw-up was Lin Bolen." She canceled "Jeopardy!",
"Concentration," and several other games which hadn't been doing
that badly but looked too old-fashioned for her taste. Except for
"Wheel," most of the replacements came and went fairly quickly.
As for the soaps, "Days," "AW," and "The Doctors" are the only NBC
soaps to have lasted more than 10 years. Contrast that to ABC, with
"General Hospital" (47), "One Life To Live" (42), "All My Children" (40),
"Loving" (14), and "Ryan's Hope" (just shy of 14); or to CBS, with "Guiding
Light" (57 just on television), "As The World Turns" (54), "Young And
The Restless" (37), "Search For Tomorrow" (35 before moving to NBC),
"Love Of Life" (28), "Bold And The Beautiful" (23), "Secret Storm" (20),
and "Edge Of Night" (19 before moving to ABC).
Lin Bolen was the basis for Faye Dunaway's character in Network.
After cancelling a bunch of "old style" game shows on NBC, she left, started her own production company, sold an "old style" game show and hired a an "old style" host for it (Allen Ludden).
As mentioned, one of the shows she cancelled was Jeopardy. She hired a bunch of "young stud" hosts for her new game shows, one of whom was Alex Trebek, who now hosts Jeopardy.
After cancelling a bunch of "old style" game shows on NBC, she left, started her own production company, sold an "old style" game show and hired a an "old style" host for it (Allen Ludden).
As mentioned, one of the shows she cancelled was Jeopardy. She hired a bunch of "young stud" hosts for her new game shows, one of whom was Alex Trebek, who now hosts Jeopardy.
MarcB said:
WCAU doesn't carry Access Hollywood Live. I haven't seen that show, but I agree with your point on NBC serving their O&Os crap, and not even bothering trying new things to see if something better works.
I'd cut Today down to 3 hours, drop the Real Housewives reruns, and possibly the Access Hollywood Live.
In place of those 2-3 hours, here are some ideas:
I'd add a new game show hour (games shows like Pyramid, Concentration, Lingo - not the reality game shows like Deal or No Deal). I know GSN is for game shows, but with cable and broadcast blending into each other, I believe its ok for broadcast stations to still air game shows. Obviously, Wheel/Jeopardy! work on broadcast.
Maybe a 1 hour Judge block. This is a safe approach. While the CW/My/Fox stations have saturated their lineups with that, it might be better than a Real Housewives rerun from 2006.
Maybe a live from Chicago show. NBC did experiment with "In the Loop" but the hosts were relatively unknown The Apprentice stars. Perhaps the idea would work with more known hosts, and w/ better production.
And something totally out there, but maybe an Animal Planet like show, like It's Me or the Dog with Victoria Stilwell. Something on pets on broadcast TV. Note: former cable TV celebs like Rachael Ray have moved into broadcast.
Another idea is 30 Rock and other NBC primetime recent reruns or a repurposed Fallon - something from NBC Primetime or Night just shown during the day. NBC is already trying to be like cable, and cable does that. It was also an old concept from back in the day, to air primetime shows as reruns during the day.
Given the high costs of scripted soaps, I don't see new soaps viable for NBC Daytime, and there is enough of the general variety light talk shows already. Most of those stations are already airing Nate Berkus and Ellen.
As for the NBC O&O daytime line up. There is nothing to watch after the Today show and before the evening news except for Ellen. Others are crap and not worthwhile watching it. Also, did NBC Owned and Operated stations pulled their local midday newscast out? I know WNBC, KNBC, KNSD, KNTV, WCAU, WMAQ, and KXAS doesn't have a midday newscast right now.
I'd drop the 4th hour of Today and add an hour or two of game shows, but NO courtroom shows. That's the next worst garbage to the trash talk shows on daytime TV, and there is too much of it already. But after NBC stations having more local time than CBS or ABC stations for so long, they'd probably fight any attempt by NBC to take any of that time back. But then like I've said before It's NBC's own fault for letting local stations get away with dropping so much of their daytime lineup in the 70's and 80's instead of putting pressure on them to keep the network lineup on.
What I find amazing is that NBC pretty much gave up their morning lineup in the 90's and gave back that time to local affiliates. The amazing part is that NBC actually figured out a way to capture back that time! Nice job on their part. It's the best trick they've pulled off in the past 10 years.
Seems to me NBC affiliates should just go dark between the hours of 12 noon and 4 pm. Most don't run a noon newscast any more, and a lot of them have started news at 4. If they have no programming worth airing, why not save the money? Or, better yet, run infographics or weather during that time (like a .2).
Game shows might be good for an immediate miniscule ratings bump, but they don't have staying power anymore (with the possible exceptions of Jeopardy!, Wheel, and Viera's Millionaire). Bringing back older concepts wouldn't work in the long run (I'm talking Concentration or Password, as examples), and NBC affiliates would still have the issue of filling the broadcast day with stuff people would want to watch. Add to that the fact that the daytime audience is no longer made up of housewives (not exclusively, anyway) and it would make more sense for them to just shut off the transmitter during the day.
And I'd kill the fourth hour of Today. Frankly, I think Dave Garroway is spinning in his grave. Even J. Fred Muggs would be better than KLG and Hoda. (My opinion - YMMV.)
Game shows might be good for an immediate miniscule ratings bump, but they don't have staying power anymore (with the possible exceptions of Jeopardy!, Wheel, and Viera's Millionaire). Bringing back older concepts wouldn't work in the long run (I'm talking Concentration or Password, as examples), and NBC affiliates would still have the issue of filling the broadcast day with stuff people would want to watch. Add to that the fact that the daytime audience is no longer made up of housewives (not exclusively, anyway) and it would make more sense for them to just shut off the transmitter during the day.
And I'd kill the fourth hour of Today. Frankly, I think Dave Garroway is spinning in his grave. Even J. Fred Muggs would be better than KLG and Hoda. (My opinion - YMMV.)
WSMV-channel 4 here in Nashville was airing Better Nashville twice a day. Not sure if they still are, but I haven't heard of any changes. It now airs at 10:00 a.m. and at 1:00 p.m. The earlier airing took the place of 700 Club, which went over to Fox channel 17. The 700 Club spots that channel 4 used to run absolutely annoyed me to death! I had to find the remote and hit the mute button every time it aired! 
(By the way, channel 4 is the only station here still carrying a local noon newscast, although much of it seems to be rehash from the morning's (and Today show's) news.) I still miss Later Today. Maybe they should bring that back.
Meanwhile, WTVF-channel 5 (CBS) was carrying Price is Right twice a day until The Talk started this week! :
(By the way, channel 4 is the only station here still carrying a local noon newscast, although much of it seems to be rehash from the morning's (and Today show's) news.) I still miss Later Today. Maybe they should bring that back.Meanwhile, WTVF-channel 5 (CBS) was carrying Price is Right twice a day until The Talk started this week! :
firepoint525 said:Meanwhile, WTVF-channel 5 (CBS) was carrying Price is Right twice a day until The Talk started this week! :
Actually that was at the network level, not the local level. As the World Turns ended it's run on Friday September 17th. The network ran a second episode of Price is Right at 2PM Eastern for the week of September 20th-September 24th. Then the week of September 27th-October 1st they ran a second episode of Let's Make a Deal. Then for 2 weeks October 4th-October 8th and October 11th-October 15th they aired a second episode of Price is Right again.
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