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Question about XMTR sites

recto101 said:
Wasn't most fm stations in 1950 just getting around their permit and experimental phase? I ts like most of these call letters that are ties to these 1950 frequencies moved or do not exist anymore except for KDFC where they moved in 2011.

All the stations I listed have direct lineage to today's FMs, with the exceptions of Alameda and Richmond, I believe. Those were deleted in bankruptcies and new people applied for the same channels. The rest were all buys and sells that lead directly to today's owners. For instance, James Gabbert et al bought the assets of KLX-FM from the Tribune.

Don't forget that these were the second or third FM assignments by the time 1950 rolled around. The original FM band (after experiments in the 22MHz range) were in the low-band VHF spectrum of 42.1 to 49.9. But by 1950 FM was pretty much locked in.
 
Re:KQW, KSFO, CBS Network and KCBS on 740 (Was Question about XMTR sites)

KSFO was the CBS network affiliate in San Francisco for many years, including the start of WW II.

John Schneider's history of KTAB/KSFO and his separate KQW/KCBS history (with my insertions in parens) outlines how KSFO and CBS became intertwined... divorced and reconciled:

Schneider writes: http://www.bayarearadio.org/schneider/ksfo.shtml

"Within a matter of two years, the old KTAB had completely transformed itself. But Dumm and Lasky were not satisfied. They contacted Guy Earl and Naylor Rogers, who operated the well-known independent station KNX in Hollywood. Together, they formed the Western Network, a two-station hookup which began operation in 1935. The network functioned successfully until 1937, when CBS bought KNX. In negotiations that followed, KSFO became the Northern California key outlet for the new CBS network, replacing KFRC, and CBS was given an option to purchase KSFO.

Under the direction of CBS, a new quarter-million dollar studio complex was constructed in the fall of 1937 as an annex to the Palace Hotel, boasting no less than seven studios and 26 offices. KSFO took over the new facility the following year, and began construction of a new 5,000 watt transmitter plant at Islais Creek, on the Bay Shore in San Francisco; also, the station's city of license was officially changed to San Francisco.

From 1937 to 1942, KSFO was the origination point for many CBS programs that were heard along the Pacific Coast, and a few heard nationwide. The four-year rise of KSFO from the cellar of the market to the regional key station for CBS became a local broadcast legend."

KQW, San Jose was an also-ran, as John Schneider notes in his history of KQW (with my insertions in parens):
http://www.bayarearadio.org/schneider/kqw.shtml

"But the fate of the station (KQW) changed in 1942. That year, CBS offered to purchase KSFO, its San Francisco affiliate, but the offer was rejected by KSFO's owners. Immediately thereafter, CBS approached KQW with an offer of affiliation, which was accepted. KSFO had occupied a lavish studio complex in the Palace Hotel, which was owned by CBS; KSFO was evicted, and KQW moved in."

"In 1941, when KSFO was still the CBS affiliate in the area, the network had entered into an agreement with KQW which called for KSFO to take over KQW's frequency and increase its power to 50,000 watts. KQW, which was by then operating at 5,000 watts on the frequency, was to move to KSFO's dial position.

The entire transaction was awaiting approval by the F.C.C. when a wartime freeze was placed on all station changes. By the end of the war, however, the CBS affiliation belonged to KQW, and CBS was not about to give up its plans for a 50,000 watt affiliate in the Bay Area. It filed a competing application for a power increase at 740.

After lengthy hearings, the F.C.C. granted the power increase to the original applicant, KSFO. However, the management of KSFO began to have doubts about the future of AM radio, and were putting all of their money into their new television station, KPIX (Channel 5). Negotiations were re-opened with CBS, and the result was that KSFO gave up its claim for the 740 dial position, in exchange for the CBS-TV network affiliation for San Francisco.

In 1949, CBS purchased the license of KQW outright (from Ralph Brunton and Charles L. McCarthy. Brunton was one of the owners of KJBS in San Francisco, and McCarthy was the Manager of Station Relations for NBC in San Francisco.) and changed the call letters to KCBS. An elaborate multi-tower antenna site was constructed at Novato in Marin County. The new high-power network-owned facility went on the air in 1951."
 
Re:KQW, KSFO, CBS Network and KCBS on 740 (Was Question about XMTR sites)

TedL said:
KSFO was the CBS network affiliate in San Francisco for many years, including the start of WW II. John Schneider's history of KTAB/KSFO and his separate KQW/KCBS history (with my insertions in parens) outlines how KSFO and CBS became intertwined... divorced and reconciled:

Marvelous post; thank you! But I did not notice a mention of Gene Autrey's Golden West Broadcasting, the company that owned KSFO, KMPC, KVI, and I think KEX during their heydays in the early to mid 1950s. As I understand it, Autrey was scarcely the sole owner of GW; he had partners, but Autrey was the best known of the major shareholders. A Google search for the Golden West Broadcasting Company that owned US stations is complicated by the fact that the name appears to now be the property of a Canadian company that seems unrelated to the US Golden West Broadcasting of half a century ago. Even eliminating Ltd and Canada from the search criteria did not eliminate a large number of links to the Canadian outfit in the search results
 
Re:KQW, KSFO, CBS Network and KCBS on 740 (Was Question about XMTR sites)

DanStrassberg said:
TedL said:
KSFO was the CBS network affiliate in San Francisco for many years, including the start of WW II. John Schneider's history of KTAB/KSFO and his separate KQW/KCBS history (with my insertions in parens) outlines how KSFO and CBS became intertwined... divorced and reconciled:

Marvelous post; thank you! But I did not notice a mention of Gene Autrey's Golden West Broadcasting, the company that owned KSFO, KMPC, KVI, and I think KEX during their heydays in the early to mid 1950s. As I understand it, Autrey was scarcely the sole owner of GW; he had partners, but Autrey was the best known of the major shareholders. A Google search for the Golden West Broadcasting Company that owned US stations is complicated by the fact that the name appears to now be the property of a Canadian company that seems unrelated to the US Golden West Broadcasting of half a century ago. Even eliminating Ltd and Canada from the search criteria did not eliminate a large number of links to the Canadian outfit in the search results

Is this the same Golden West that owned KTLA in the 1970?
 
Re:KQW, KSFO, CBS Network and KCBS on 740 (Was Question about XMTR sites)

recto101 said:
DanStrassberg said:
TedL said:
KSFO was the CBS network affiliate in San Francisco for many years, including the start of WW II. John Schneider's history of KTAB/KSFO and his separate KQW/KCBS history (with my insertions in parens) outlines how KSFO and CBS became intertwined... divorced and reconciled:

Marvelous post; thank you! But I did not notice a mention of Gene Autrey's Golden West Broadcasting, the company that owned KSFO, KMPC, KVI, and I think KEX during their heydays in the early to mid 1950s. As I understand it, Autrey was scarcely the sole owner of GW; he had partners, but Autrey was the best known of the major shareholders. A Google search for the Golden West Broadcasting Company that owned US stations is complicated by the fact that the name appears to now be the property of a Canadian company that seems unrelated to the US Golden West Broadcasting of half a century ago. Even eliminating Ltd and Canada from the search criteria did not eliminate a large number of links to the Canadian outfit in the search results

Is this the same Golden West that owned KTLA in the 1970?

Gene Autry's corporation (Golden West Broadcasters) owned KTLA 5 from 1964 to 1995.
 
Re:KQW, KSFO, CBS Network and KCBS on 740 (Was Question about XMTR sites)

Lkeller said:
recto101 said:
DanStrassberg said:
TedL said:
KSFO was the CBS network affiliate in San Francisco for many years, including the start of WW II. John Schneider's history of KTAB/KSFO and his separate KQW/KCBS history (with my insertions in parens) outlines how KSFO and CBS became intertwined... divorced and reconciled:

Marvelous post; thank you! But I did not notice a mention of Gene Autrey's Golden West Broadcasting, the company that owned KSFO, KMPC, KVI, and I think KEX during their heydays in the early to mid 1950s. As I understand it, Autrey was scarcely the sole owner of GW; he had partners, but Autrey was the best known of the major shareholders. A Google search for the Golden West Broadcasting Company that owned US stations is complicated by the fact that the name appears to now be the property of a Canadian company that seems unrelated to the US Golden West Broadcasting of half a century ago. Even eliminating Ltd and Canada from the search criteria did not eliminate a large number of links to the Canadian outfit in the search results

Is this the same Golden West that owned KTLA in the 1970?

Gene Autry's corporation (Golden West Broadcasters) owned KTLA 5 from 1964 to 1995.


I thought Golden West Broadcasters sold KTLA in 1985?
 
Recto - I stand corrected - I misread Wikipedia - Golden West sold KTLA in 1982 to an investment firm, which in turn - sold it to the Tribune Corporation (current owners) in 85.
 
Golden West (owned by Gene Autry and Bob Reynolds) didn't take over KSFO until 1956, well after The Associated Broadcasters and CBS came to the agreement that gave 740 to CBS in exchange for making KPIX a CBS-TV affiliate.
 
Lkeller said:
KGO 810, probably the strongest AM signal in the Bay Area, which can be heard all over the West Coast after sunset (and possibly east - not sure)...transmits from the mud at the foot of the Dumbarton Bridge near East Palo Alto.

Actually, the KGO transmitter is in Fremont, the opposite side of the bay from East Palo Alto
 
Joe Rouse said:
Lkeller said:
KGO 810, probably the strongest AM signal in the Bay Area, which can be heard all over the West Coast after sunset (and possibly east - not sure)...transmits from the mud at the foot of the Dumbarton Bridge near East Palo Alto.
Actually, the KGO transmitter is in Fremont, the opposite side of the bay from East Palo Alto

Didn't he describe the KNBR site and call it the KGO site? Since I'm 3000 miles away, I can't take a short trip to look for myself.
 
DanStrassberg said:
Joe Rouse said:
Lkeller said:
KGO 810, probably the strongest AM signal in the Bay Area, which can be heard all over the West Coast after sunset (and possibly east - not sure)...transmits from the mud at the foot of the Dumbarton Bridge near East Palo Alto.
Actually, the KGO transmitter is in Fremont, the opposite side of the bay from East Palo Alto

Didn't he describe the KNBR site and call it the KGO site? Since I'm 3000 miles away, I can't take a short trip to look for myself.
Hey, gas is nown 12 cents a gallon these days; go for it!
 
DanStrassberg said:
Didn't he describe the KNBR site and call it the KGO site? Since I'm 3000 miles away, I can't take a short trip to look for myself.

Here are the major radio sites:

KGO - east end of the Dumbarton Bridge in Newark (next to Fremont), 3 towers
KNBR - Redwood Shores (aka Belmont), 1 active tower, 1 reserve
KFRC - Bayshore freeway in Belmont, 3 towers
KCBS - Novato, 4 towers
KKGN - Bay Bridge, 3 towers
KIQI - Bay Bridge, 3 towers
KMKY, Bay Bridge, 3 towers
KPIG (formerly KPIG), 4 towers atop warehouse on West Grand in Oakland
KSFO - Butchertown area of SF, along Cargo Way, 2 towers
KNEW - El Cerrito, foot of Central Avenue, 2 towers
KEAR - old KFRC tower, Ashby at Eastshore freeway, Berkeley, 1 tower
KVTO same tower as above

and it goes on and on.

Take a look at either the FCC website or Radio-Locator.com for map plots of radio towers.
 
DavidKaye said:
Here are the major radio sites:
<SNIP>
KKGN - Bay Bridge, 3 towers
KIQI - Bay Bridge, 3 towers
KMKY, Bay Bridge, 3 towers
<SNIP>
and it goes on and on.

You ought to add (east end) to Bay Bridge for these three. And three that I'd like to see added to your list are KTCT, KFAX/KTRB (D), and KDOW. As you noted, that will not make the list complete (seems to me that for the Bay Area, NO such list can be complete), but it will add several more of the most interesting AM sites. By most interesting, I mean the sites that I consider to be candidates for diplex or triplex operations, and/or are home to stations that have demonstrated an interest in upgrading.
 
DavidKaye said:
]

Here are the major radio sites:

KGO - east end of the Dumbarton Bridge in Newark (next to Fremont), 3 towers
KNBR - Redwood Shores (aka Belmont), 1 active tower, 1 reserve
KFRC - Bayshore freeway in Belmont, 3 towers
KCBS - Novato, 4 towers
KKGN - Bay Bridge, 3 towers
KIQI - Bay Bridge, 3 towers
KMKY, Bay Bridge, 3 towers
KPIG (formerly KPIG), 4 towers atop warehouse on West Grand in Oakland
KSFO - Butchertown area of SF, along Cargo Way, 2 towers
KNEW - El Cerrito, foot of Central Avenue, 2 towers
KEAR - old KFRC tower, Ashby at Eastshore freeway, Berkeley, 1 tower
KVTO same tower as above

and it goes on and on.

Take a look at either the FCC website or Radio-Locator.com for map plots of radio towers.

I'll add my 2 cents to this.

560 KSFO - 2 towers located on Cargo Way in San Francisco
610 KEAR - 1 tower located in Berkeley right by I-80 Eastshore freeway.
680 KNBR - 1 tower located in Belmont, also 1 reseved tower.
740 KCBS - 4 towers located near Novato
810 KGO - 3 towers located next to Dumbarton Bridge, East End in Fremont.
860 KTRB - 1 tower day time located in Hayward next to San Mateo Bridge (diplex with KFAX), 3 towers night located in Livermore (not operating at this time).
910 KNEW - 2 towers located in El Cerrito right by Central Ave
960 KKGN - 3 towers located right by Bay Bridge Toll Plaza
1010 KIQI - 3 towers located right by Bay Bridge Toll Plaza
1050 KTCT - 5 towers located in Hayward, just north of KFAX tower
1100 KFAX - 4 towers diplexed with KTRB 860, located in Hayward right by San Mateo Bridge
1190 KDYA - 1 tower located in Vallejo, CP to diplex with KCBS 740 in Novato.
1220 KDOW - 1 tower located west end of the Dumbarton Bridge in East Palo Alto
1260 KOIT - 1 tower located at Candlestick Point in San Francisco
1310 KMKY - 3 towers located right by Bay Bridge Toll Plaza
1400 KVTO - 1 tower located in Berkely right by I-80 East Shore Freeway.
1450 KEST - 1 tower located in Dogpatch district in San Francisco.
1510 KPIG - 4 towers located in Oakland on Grand Blvd, top of a large warehouse.
1550 KFRC - 3 towers located right by US 101 Bayshore Freeway in Belmont.
1640 KDIA - 1 tower daytime diplex with KNEW 910 located in El Cerrito, 4 Towers at night located in Novato,Diplex with KCBS 740
 
Where is the 91.5 FM Fairfield Transmitter at?
also who owns the Transmitter from the I-80 and CA-12 interchange near the Hills in Fairfield and near the Dairy Plant.
 
e-dawg said:
I'll add my 2 cents to this.
<SNIP>
1640 KDIA - 1 tower daytime diplex with KNEW 910 located in El Cerrito, 4 Towers at night located in Novato,Diplex with KCBS 740

KDIA is NOT diplexed with KCBS at night. The KDIA night site is 5.6 miles almost exactly due east of the KCBS site. The towers are much shorter than KCBS's and the tower spacings and orientation are different from KCBS's. KCBS's towers are too tall for 1640, although they could be skirted with the skirts driven in such a way as to detune a large portion of their electrical length at 1640. However, I doubt whether CBS would go along with such a setup. They couldn't make a much less complicated design work satisfactorily at WFAN/WCBS and ultimately disabled the frequency-selective top load, thereby slightly reducing the tower's electrical length at 660 and increasing it at 880.
 
e-dawg said:
> 1050 KTCT - 5 towers located in Hayward, just north of KFAX tower

Southwest of KFAX,. not north. They're located on the old Turk Island dump site which James Gabbert bought eons ago and then figured out a way to move KOFY 1050 from San Mateo to the site so he could use it for something. It's got probably one of the most complex patterns in the Bay Area.
 
e-dawg said:
560 KSFO - 2 towers located on Cargo Way in San Francisco

Actually I'm wrong and you then repeated my wrong statement instead of looking it up and getting it right. KSFO is actually located north of Cargo Way, along the bend on Amador Street. One tower is the original on the KSFO property, and the other is east of it, across the road, and in the middle of a patch of pavement. It's weird when you drive through the area because you can drive right between the towers.
 
e-dawg said:
Here are the major radio sites:
I'll add my 2 cents to this.

Additional corrections:
<SNIP>
860 KTRB - 1 tower day time located in Hayward next to San Mateo Bridge (diplex with KFAX), 3 towers night located in Livermore (not operating at this time).
That should be FOUR towers night NEAR Livermore
<SNIP>
1100 KFAX - SHOULD READ 4 towers ONE OF WHICH IS diplexed with KTRB 860, located in Hayward right by San Mateo Bridge
1190 KDYA - 1 tower located in Vallejo, CP to diplex with KCBS 740 in Novato.--APPARENTLY INCORRECT
As I pointed out earlier, KDIA does not diplex with KCBS and neither does KDYA. KDIA and KDYA both use the site I mentioned yesterday, 5.6 miles east of KCBS's Novato site. This appears not to be a diplex, however,. Rather, it seems to be a shared site/array. KDIA uses it at night; KDYA uses it by day.
<SNIP>
 
DanStrassberg said:
e-dawg said:
Here are the major radio sites:
I'll add my 2 cents to this.

Additional corrections:
<SNIP>
860 KTRB - 1 tower day time located in Hayward next to San Mateo Bridge (diplex with KFAX), 3 towers night located in Livermore (not operating at this time).
That should be FOUR towers night NEAR Livermore
<SNIP>
1100 KFAX - SHOULD READ 4 towers ONE OF WHICH IS diplexed with KTRB 860, located in Hayward right by San Mateo Bridge
1190 KDYA - 1 tower located in Vallejo, CP to diplex with KCBS 740 in Novato.--APPARENTLY INCORRECT
As I pointed out earlier, KDIA does not diplex with KCBS and neither does KDYA. KDIA and KDYA both use the site I mentioned yesterday, 5.6 miles east of KCBS's Novato site. This appears not to be a diplex, however,. Rather, it seems to be a shared site/array. KDIA uses it at night; KDYA uses it by day.
<SNIP>

If the effort to outlaw circumcision in California succeeds, you may have to find a new word to replace 'snip'.
 
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