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Question for the "Retro" Guys Re: Vermont EST/EDT

I have a question for any of you "retro" schedule posters who might have schedules from New England (specifically WCAX-3) from prior to the 70's. Was there ever a time period when Vermont remained on EST while New York was on EDT?

The reason I ask: my family used to have a summer home in Vermont and many years ago, after we had sold the place and ceased our annual trips there, I once overheard my grandmother telling someone that we used to get network shows "one hour earlier" when in Vermont.

At the time, I insisted to her that it could not have been the case, though she vehemently insisted it was true. (And was very upset that I dared to dispute her memories...) I certainly don't remember such a time differential, but my conscious memories of TV watching there probably only go back to the mid-60's, and she had been going there since at least the early 50's or even the late 40's. From what I know now about the patchwork of Daylight/Standard Time observance back then, I suppose it is possible that there were at least SOME summers (or portions thereof) when WCAX-3 MIGHT have aired network shows one clock hour behind New York. Though, since the only other station we could reliably receive was WPTZ-5 -- from New York, not Vermont -- it is also possible that one may have been on EDT and the other on EST at the same time.

I'm thinking there may be at least a partial element of truth to her assertion, and though she is long gone, I'd be interested to see if she could be posthumously vindicated. (If so, I can see my having to humbly apologize to her someday in the afterlife...) ;)

This could probably also be answered definitively by anyone who has a copy of one of those astrology-published reference works (such as "Time Changes in the U.S.A." by Doris Chase Doane -- a book I once saw in a thrift store, but failed to purchase).
 
...I wonder if the "one hour earlier" idea may have stemmed from time-shifting of the same programs on CBMT/6 and CFCF/12 Montreal, both visible in the Burlington/Plattsburgh market?...
 
Ultimajock said:
...I wonder if the "one hour earlier" idea may have stemmed from time-shifting of the same programs on CBMT/6 and CFCF/12 Montreal, both visible in the Burlington/Plattsburgh market?...

Not visible for us, stuck in Addison County (about 100 air miles from Montreal) with an ancient DuMont TV, rotting twinlead, and a beat-up 40's-era conical antenna. (My grandparents had little interest in TV during those summer months -- as long as my grandmother could get her weekly "Gunsmoke" fix, she was happy...) ::) All we could reliably receive was WCAX-3 and WPTZ-5 (and occasionally WMTW-8 if the wind was blowing right). Drove a young TV addict like me, coming from suburban New Jersey and its many TV channels from NYC, absolutely batty. :eek:
 
Stanislav said:
This could probably also be answered definitively by anyone who has a copy of one of those astrology-published reference works (such as "Time Changes in the U.S.A." by Doris Chase Doane...

Go right to the source and ask the Doris... ;D

It wouldn't necessarily matter whether the Burlington and Plattsburgh areas
observed EDT (they did), but rather if the county or town you were in did.

According the the Doane tome, all of NY and VT observed DST starting
in the spring of 1955 with the same on/off dates. 1955 was the first year
that DST was extended a month--to the end of October--in many areas.
That extension first appeared in 1954 in a couple of New England states
(but not VT).

Prior to then, both Burlington and Plattsburgh did the DST thing continuously
since 1946.

As for your locale of Addison County, I can find two towns listed for DST prior
to 1955--Middlebury (1947-1954) and Vergennes (1951, 1953-1954).
 
Thank you for the info! So, basically, there would have been no reason for either station to be off one clock hour in their schedule, and neither would the local area practice have altered the clocks. My grandparent's place was about midway between Vergennes and Middlebury, and I'm sure they would have used the same clock time as those two towns that they frequently had business in. In fact, even if there ever were counties or towns in VT that did not observe DST back in the day, I'm pretty sure that whole area we were in would have done so, as pretty much everything from Middlebury north along the U.S. 7 corridor was socially and economically tied to Burlington.
 
Slightly OT... fwiw I was born in Chester, Pennsylvania (Philadelphia suburb) in August 1961, and my hospital-issued birth certificate indicates my birth time as EST, although it was summer. Yes, I've read where a patchwork of ST/DT laws existed back in the day.

ixnay
 
I was born at 3:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, in late February in Connecticut. Were there any notable time differences back then? (LOL)
 
Don't know of any, but I was born at 8:04 AM in
January in North Carolina. On the two occasions
when I lived in the Central time zone, I was never
sure if I should mark the moment of my birth at
7:04 (CST) or 8:04 (EST), so I elected to go with
the local time; I rationalized that 7:04 in Birmingham
and Dallas is 8:04 in Greensboro. :)
 
bpatrick said:
Don't know of any, but I was born at 8:04 AM in
January in North Carolina. On the two occasions
when I lived in the Central time zone, I was never
sure if I should mark the moment of my birth at
7:04 (CST) or 8:04 (EST), so I elected to go with
the local time; I rationalized that 7:04 in Birmingham
and Dallas is 8:04 in Greensboro. :)

Really, it shouldn't matter one way or the other, as long as you get cake! ;)
 
ixnay said:
Slightly OT... fwiw I was born in Chester, Pennsylvania (Philadelphia suburb) in August 1961, and my hospital-issued birth certificate indicates my birth time as EST, although it was summer. Yes, I've read where a patchwork of ST/DT laws existed back in the day.

ixnay

Perhaps they just forgot to change it to EDT or it was a typo (fingers moving too fast or typing out of habit). There's probably a simple explanation like that. I'd tend to doubt that Chester County was in a different time zone than Philadelphia or the rest of the state as recently as 1961.
 
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