Question KLSD and Air America programming

[Jacmac]

I've heard and read that Air America has to pay radio stations in LA, Boston and a few other markets to keep the show running, meaning that they aren't making money, they are losing big time. San Diego wasn't mentioned and I wondered if Clear Channel is collecting money from Air America to run Air Americal or is it actually viable in San Diego? I rarely tune in these days, but every time I have, I hear them running spots begging for advertisers. If you have to do that, it means you're advertising for morons that don't know what they are doing in terms of advertising. But I digress; is KLSD able to sustain Air America on it's own, or does Clear Channel collect subsidies to be willing to carry it?

 

[ajhenderson]

> I've heard and read that Air America has to pay radio
> stations in LA, Boston and a few other markets to keep the
> show running, meaning that they aren't making money, they
> are losing big time. San Diego wasn't mentioned and I
> wondered if Clear Channel is collecting money from Air
> America to run Air Americal or is it actually viable in San
> Diego? I rarely tune in these days, but every time I have, I
> hear them running spots begging for advertisers. If you have
> to do that, it means you're advertising for morons that
> don't know what they are doing in terms of advertising. But
> I digress; is KLSD able to sustain Air America on it's own,
> or does Clear Channel collect subsidies to be willing to
> carry it?

Is this ever going to stop?

I can get KOGO and KFMB (albeit weakly) in Phoenix at night, and KCBQ booms into southern Nevada. Heaven forbid the liberals could have a station up on 1360. BTW, Salem had to buy 1170 (and the other 40 stations they own) to get their fourth-string shows on the air.

 

[Jacmac]

>
> Is this ever going to stop?
>
> I can get KOGO and KFMB (albeit weakly) in Phoenix at night,
> and KCBQ booms into southern Nevada. Heaven forbid the
> liberals could have a station up on 1360. BTW, Salem had to
> buy 1170 (and the other 40 stations they own) to get their
> fourth-string shows on the air.
>

Is what ever going to stop? What difference does getting KOGO or KFMB or any other station have to do with the original question? BTW, I believe there isn't any way you can get KLSD in Arizona since there is some Christian flame thrower on 1360 out there. I can't even get KLSD in San Diego before sunrise.

 

[k9ez]

> > I've heard and read that Air America has to pay radio
> > stations in LA, Boston and a few other markets to keep the
>
> > show running, meaning that they aren't making money, they
> > are losing big time. San Diego wasn't mentioned and I
> > wondered if Clear Channel is collecting money from Air
> > America to run Air Americal or is it actually viable in
> San
> > Diego? I rarely tune in these days, but every time I have,
> I
> > hear them running spots begging for advertisers. If you
> have
> > to do that, it means you're advertising for morons that
> > don't know what they are doing in terms of advertising.
> But
> > I digress; is KLSD able to sustain Air America on it's
> own,
> > or does Clear Channel collect subsidies to be willing to
> > carry it?
>
> Is this ever going to stop?
>
> I can get KOGO and KFMB (albeit weakly) in Phoenix at night,
> and KCBQ booms into southern Nevada. Heaven forbid the
> liberals could have a station up on 1360. BTW, Salem had to
> buy 1170 (and the other 40 stations they own) to get their
> fourth-string shows on the air.
>


The difference is the business model. At least Salem OWNS their stations and has some equity to show for it. Also from what I have heard Salem is doing well financially.

Dont get me wrong, I am no Salem shill. Heck I dont listen to them, but you have to look at what the BUSINESS is doing....

 

[ajhenderson]

>
> The difference is the business model. At least Salem OWNS
> their stations and has some equity to show for it. Also
> from what I have heard Salem is doing well financially.
>
> Dont get me wrong, I am no Salem shill. Heck I dont listen
> to them, but you have to look at what the BUSINESS is
> doing....

Yes, but the programming itself isn't the sound business decision. The fact that they own stations in an inflationary market where demand is still relatively strong does not mean the shows they put on are good. In fact, if they could get other stations to take their news/talk shows, they would, and they'd have multiple Christian teaching stations and rake in even more money. At least AAR has interesting enough content to get stations to take it.

 

[ajhenderson]

> Is what ever going to stop? What difference does getting
> KOGO or KFMB or any other station have to do with the
> original question? BTW, I believe there isn't any way you
> can get KLSD in Arizona since there is some Christian flame
> thrower on 1360 out there. I can't even get KLSD in San
> Diego before sunrise.

1360 is a more crowded channel, but I'd hardly call KPXQ a flamethrower. 50kW days (along with a number of others) and 1kW nights out of the west side. In the million-plus population of the east valley, you're often SOL.

 

[SDRadio]

> 1360 is a more crowded channel, but I'd hardly call KPXQ a
> flamethrower. 50kW days (along with a number of others) and
> 1kW nights out of the west side. In the million-plus
> population of the east valley, you're often SOL.
>


KPXQ kills in Oceanside and the 78 corridor during sunset. It kills KLSD and then about an hour after sunset, the normal chatter of KLSD returns. However, the station is unlistenable because of too much background noise.<P ID="signature">______________
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[k9ez]

> >
> > The difference is the business model. At least Salem OWNS
> > their stations and has some equity to show for it. Also
> > from what I have heard Salem is doing well financially.
> >
> > Dont get me wrong, I am no Salem shill. Heck I dont
> listen
> > to them, but you have to look at what the BUSINESS is
> > doing....
>
> Yes, but the programming itself isn't the sound business
> decision. The fact that they own stations in an inflationary
> market where demand is still relatively strong does not mean
> the shows they put on are good. In fact, if they could get
> other stations to take their news/talk shows, they would,
> and they'd have multiple Christian teaching stations and
> rake in even more money. At least AAR has interesting enough
> content to get stations to take it.
>


OK now it appears that you are getting into a personal opinion on the programming. From what I understand, Salem is making money. AAR does not seem to be.

From the little I have listened to AAR, I dont find them interested either. Both want me to make me drive into a tree. But that is just my opinion.

 

[mj]

> > >
> > > The difference is the business model. At least Salem
> OWNS
> > > their stations and has some equity to show for it. Also
>
> > > from what I have heard Salem is doing well financially.
> > >
> > > Dont get me wrong, I am no Salem shill. Heck I dont
> > listen
> > > to them, but you have to look at what the BUSINESS is
> > > doing....
> >
> > Yes, but the programming itself isn't the sound business
> > decision. The fact that they own stations in an
> inflationary
> > market where demand is still relatively strong does not
> mean
> > the shows they put on are good. In fact, if they could get
>
> > other stations to take their news/talk shows, they would,



One of the very bright spots on many of the stations that have been labeled Air America is Ed Schultz who is not affiliated with the Air America network but has been chosen by many of the stations to be part of their line ups. He probably has the highest ratings of any of the shows on those stations. In San Diego he really is doing well and certainly is partially responsible for the recent success of KLSD.
> > and they'd have multiple Christian teaching stations and
> > rake in even more money. At least AAR has interesting
> enough
> > content to get stations to take it.
> >
>
>
> OK now it appears that you are getting into a personal
> opinion on the programming. From what I understand, Salem
> is making money. AAR does not seem to be.
>
> From the little I have listened to AAR, I dont find them
> interested either. Both want me to make me drive into a
> tree. But that is just my opinion.
>

 

[tbetz]

> From what I understand, Salem
> is making money.

Salem is making its money from the preachers to whom it it sells the time on its religious stations. Its decimal-rated conservatalkers are subsidized by the religious stations' income.

From Salem's web site:

In addition to the traditional revenue sources consisting of local and national advertising, the Company derives substantial revenue from the sale of block programming to organizations that offer teaching and talk programs. Most of these block programmers are long-term partners who provide a strong, reliable and growing stream of revenues and corresponding cash flow.

> AAR does not seem to be.

Have you seen AAR's books?

Has the person who told you that seen AAR's books?

If not, on what factual basis can you make that statement?<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>

 

[k9ez]

> > From what I understand, Salem
> > is making money.
>
> Salem is making its money from the preachers to whom it it
> sells the time on its religious stations. Its decimal-rated
> conservatalkers are subsidized by the religious stations'
> income.
>
> From Salem's web site:
>
> In addition to the traditional revenue sources consisting of
> local and national advertising, the Company derives
> substantial revenue from the sale of block programming to
> organizations that offer teaching and talk programs. Most of
> these block programmers are long-term partners who provide a
> strong, reliable and growing stream of revenues and
> corresponding cash flow.


MMMM-K, they are still making money, it doesnt matter how they do it. It is a BUSINESS. So what if it is subsidized by whoever pays them. I am not a listener so I really dont care who is on Salem.


>
> > AAR does not seem to be.
>
> Have you seen AAR's books?
>
> Has the person who told you that seen AAR's books?
>
> If not, on what factual basis can you make that statement?
>

Nope I have not seen the books. It was an opinion and that is all.

As I said in my previous post, I dont listen to either (though I have TRIED). So I dont care who is on. I am looking at it from a strictly business aspect.

 

[tbetz]

> MMMM-K, they are still making money, it doesnt matter how
> they do it. It is a BUSINESS.

Just as AAR is, but a much younger business, and of a very different nature. What radio syndication business shows an operating profit in its first two years? Save your comparisons for 10 years from now, when comparing Salem and AAR won't be so much apples and orange blossoms.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>