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Question Regarding Trolling???

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Omnibus

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Is commenting on an individual's on-air or widely know personality traits and open and notorious behavior considered trolling?

Just because it is not complimentary does not make it any less true and open for discussion.

My thought is if someone makes themselves a public figure freely and gets paid to do so then all bets are off.

Even in the law of torts a public figure - especially one who has become a public figure voluntarily and for profit - has to prove malice in cases of libel or slander.

Let's hope no one libels ( print form ) any individual here. Still, truth is an ultimate defense against both libel (written) and slander (oral).

Truth then should not be considered Trolling.

Don't think the managers of this website want reckless postings but don't think they just want cheerleaders and pablum either or am I entirely wrong.
 
Omnibus said:
Is commenting on an individual's on-air or widely know personality traits and open and notorious behavior considered trolling?

Just because it is not complimentary does not make it any less true and open for discussion.

My thought is if someone makes themselves a public figure freely and gets paid to do so then all bets are off.

Even in the law of torts a public figure - especially one who has become a public figure voluntarily and for profit - has to prove malice in cases of libel or slander.

Let's hope no one libels ( print form ) any individual here. Still, truth is an ultimate defense against both libel (written) and slander (oral).

Truth then should not be considered Trolling.

Don't think the managers of this website want reckless postings but don't think they just want cheerleaders and pablum either or am I entirely wrong.
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No, but be fair....calling someone an a-hole because you disagree with their politics...and then saying they are responsible for someone's death is pretty low.
 
Wimmmex said:
No, but be fair....calling someone an a-hole because you disagree with their politics...and then saying they are responsible for someone's death is pretty low.
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Agreed. Too strong but unfortunately too true if you ask any of Jerry Williams daughters.
 
They may not be unbiased but nonetheless accurate. I doubt HL Carr's daughters would support their father as Jerry Williams' daughters do.


Wimmmex said:
And I'm sure Jerry's daughters are a great unbiased source.
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I could ask them, I won't

I interact with one daughter on a regular basis, I have never seen her voice an opinion like that.

Jerry was an old man in declining health when he died, his memory was not what it once was.

Did WRKO push Jerry out of the way to put Carr on... probably, but that happens in radio.
Did they treat him poorly, IMHO yes.

I don't have a lot of (any) respect for Howie Carr, it is the same old stuff every day, anyone who ever worked
for the government is a hack, hunters are drunks, Deval Patrick is an idiot.

The body of work of Jerry Williams career is well documented, it fills volumes and is archived at a couple of
institutions of higher learning. Howies work is left behind on subway seats.

Jerry has been gone almost 11 years, it has been 16 years since he left WRKO, we remember him as a
force to be reckoned with.. the seat belt law, New Braintree, the Vietnam War, the list goes on

Howie Carr will be gone from WRKO in August, September at the latest, 11 weeks later we won't even care where
he is.
 
I don't know if Ent. will stay with the all talk format on RKO but if it gets them some bucks and nothing else might do better, they may keep it up, and they may come to terms with Howie again--unless he wants to do an Ordway (Pete Sheppard is aboard now btw) and self-syndicate. Speaking of which, Ent. gets some money from syndicating Howie to about 11 stations region wide. You didn't have Jerry appearing on stations on the Cape, Western MA, Worcester, Burl VT, Maine, etc. RKO's signal does reach into several states, though.

Even if Howie's doing the same-old every day, Ent. has stuck with him. Otherwise in 07 they could have said, yeah Howie go to that FM talk station, good luck, you'll need it. Howie unlike Jerry has written 5 books that have done fairly well. Yes Jerry was brilliant and got results from some political advocacy and maybe his legacy will indeed trump that of Howie, but
Entercom has made a point of keeping Carr locked up in the Marconi Museum. As for when he'll be gone assuming they don't come to terms, yeah maybe he's gone by late summer or early fall and listeners can hear the dulcet tones of his
replacement, Michele McPhee.*

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*--who blew out a bunch of eardrums screaming MICHAEL GRAHAM IS IN THE HOUSE!!!! in '10 during the Brown vs.
Coakley election coverage. I switched to Avi on RKO.
 
The text below is from one of Jerry's daughters, this is her opinion

"I blame RKO more than Howie Carr. Yes, when RKO let him go, he started to disintegrate.(sp?) Much of his health problems were minor -- but they became an obsession with him, because he felt like he had nothing to do with his life any more. By the time he got back on the air on a little station in Quincy, he was too far gone. Had he been able to stay at RKO instead of being replaced by Dr. Laura at the time, his mind, body, and soul would have still been sharp as hell. "
 
Jerry did get shifted to mornings 10-noon then weekends, or was it other way around, his aft slot replaced him with Howie.

1998, Fybush http://www.bostonradio.org/nerw/nerw-981009.html
Oct 9, 1998: "... one of the legends of Boston talk radio is going off the air. Jerry Williams helped create the genre in the sixties and seventies, rode it to unprecedented success at WRKO (680) in the eighties, and ended up relegated to weekend duty in the last few years. Entercom's takeover of WRKO doesn't come with Jerry -- his contract is with prior owner ARS and didn't get transferred with the station. Entercom's now trying to find a way to get Williams back for a farewell show; it's likely he'll find another permanent home at a different station sometime soon."

After Jerry left RKO he wound up I believe very briefly at Langer's "WMEX 1060", maybe briefly at WJDA, WROL...Jerry died on 4/29/03. I believe a yr or two before that he did get to do a farewell show at RKO.
Fybush in Apr of 03, announcing Jerry's passing: "Williams couldn’t stay silent for long, though. In January 2000, he resurfaced as part of an ambitious talk lineup on the “new” WMEX (1060 Natick), but health problems got in the way, and he was off the air there within two months. A stroke in April 2001 further weakened him, but not enough to keep him from trying a daily show on WROL (950 Boston) last December and even making a return to WRKO to do some weekend fill-in this past February."
via: http://www.fybush.com/nerw-20130429/

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After Jerry passed away, Howie did a tribute show to him then the following Sat 12-3 pm was a memorial show hosted by Pat Whitley with call ins from the likes of Alex Beam and Barbara Anderson. I have these on cass. somewhere (maybe even Jerry's farewell show)
 
If the idiots at Entercom .... now all gone and fired "mini-me- the midget and the swear like a sailor Khan as in Gengis ...had any sense at all they would have made Jerry Williams the Andy Rooney of WRKO. That would have allowed him to have made a series of daily or weekly observations on the political scene and life in general with his commentaries. They would have been brief but constant and something listeners to which listeners would have look forward.
But instead the idiots at RKO probably with the strong encouragement of Howie Carr who didn't want Jerry Williams even in the building [ such a threat even into his old age] that they put him on an ice-flow hoping he would just die....which he did.
In the annals or Boston Radio history, Howie Carr's behavior and physical destruction of Jerry Williams, will go down as one of the most immoral acts in radio history.


MRBIboredop said:
The text below is from one of Jerry's daughters, this is her opinion

"I blame RKO more than Howie Carr. Yes, when RKO let him go, he started to disintegrate.(sp?) Much of his health problems were minor -- but they became an obsession with him, because he felt like he had nothing to do with his life any more. By the time he got back on the air on a little station in Quincy, he was too far gone. Had he been able to stay at RKO instead of being replaced by Dr. Laura at the time, his mind, body, and soul would have still been sharp as hell. "
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Omnibus said:
If the idiots at Entercom ....

and the swear like a sailor Khan as in Gengis ..\

But instead the idiots at RKO probably with the strong encouragement of Howie Carr

put him on an ice-flow hoping he would just die....which he did.

Howie Carr's behavior and physical destruction of Jerry Williams, will go down as one of the most immoral acts in radio history.
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Not even close.

So, is that all you are going to do here...is call names and throw accusations at people you don't like on the air?

Can we stay away from the personal attacks on people you don't even know and stick with the topic of radio broadcasting.
 
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Aren't we supposed to have open-road trolling pretty soon? Ha... gettin' rid of the troll booths.

btw I think some here have accused Carr of "same old thing over and over". Hmm, kinda like the regular posters here :)
Me included. Now, good night and good luck, good night to you, and don't drive like MY brother.
 
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