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radioelizabeth
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Re: just for you:
here is "the last word"
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RADIOELIZABETH
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here is "the last word"
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RADIOELIZABETH
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> I don't think the study suggested CHR should turn into AC.
> But it does confirm the expectation and inclusion of AC in a
> CHR mix.
>
I know this may be off the wall but I think as long as Christian CHR stations (the few that are out there) include AC stuff in their playlists then they will be associated with Christian AC music. That just makes sense to me.
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> But it does confirm the expectation and inclusion of AC in a
> CHR mix.
>
I know this may be off the wall but I think as long as Christian CHR stations (the few that are out there) include AC stuff in their playlists then they will be associated with Christian AC music. That just makes sense to me.
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> >
>
> "I know this may be off the wall but I think as long as
> Christian CHR stations (the few that are out there) include
> AC stuff in their playlists then they will be associated
> with Christian AC music. That just makes sense to me."
There are a few AC songs that are included but many times there are CHR remixes to that song, which makes the song a little stronger sounding. Very hard to associate CHR with AC, totally different. A small sprinkle of something familiar to the listeners isn't going to offset the harder and light hip hop that is played more often.
>
>
> "I know this may be off the wall but I think as long as
> Christian CHR stations (the few that are out there) include
> AC stuff in their playlists then they will be associated
> with Christian AC music. That just makes sense to me."
There are a few AC songs that are included but many times there are CHR remixes to that song, which makes the song a little stronger sounding. Very hard to associate CHR with AC, totally different. A small sprinkle of something familiar to the listeners isn't going to offset the harder and light hip hop that is played more often.
>
> There are a few AC songs that are included but many times
> there are CHR remixes to that song, which makes the song a
> little stronger sounding. Very hard to associate CHR with
> AC, totally different. A small sprinkle of something
> familiar to the listeners isn't going to offset the harder
> and light hip hop that is played more often.
> >
>
Your right, Ive also seen rock songs with AC Remixes
Whatever it takes to positively further the Kingdom, I am all for
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> there are CHR remixes to that song, which makes the song a
> little stronger sounding. Very hard to associate CHR with
> AC, totally different. A small sprinkle of something
> familiar to the listeners isn't going to offset the harder
> and light hip hop that is played more often.
> >
>
Your right, Ive also seen rock songs with AC Remixes
Whatever it takes to positively further the Kingdom, I am all for <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Topic
> So why aren't there more stations like WNAZ/WNRZ and KAFC?
> In both cases these stations are in markets with very
> successful mainstream CHR/Pop stations that play significant
> amounts of urban music.
Because, while the music may be nicely diverse, 'NAZ and KAFC are NOT successful by all the standards radio defines success by. They have awful ratings, and do not generate significant income.
Until a Christian CHR comes along with a great mix of music AND the results to back it up, don't expect much to change.
> So why aren't there more stations like WNAZ/WNRZ and KAFC?
> In both cases these stations are in markets with very
> successful mainstream CHR/Pop stations that play significant
> amounts of urban music.
Because, while the music may be nicely diverse, 'NAZ and KAFC are NOT successful by all the standards radio defines success by. They have awful ratings, and do not generate significant income.
Until a Christian CHR comes along with a great mix of music AND the results to back it up, don't expect much to change.
Re: Topic
> > So why aren't there more stations like WNAZ/WNRZ and KAFC?
>
> > In both cases these stations are in markets with very
> > successful mainstream CHR/Pop stations that play
> significant
> > amounts of urban music.
>
> I will add AMEN to that! My question exactly! Good
> response!!
> >
>
I have to agree with whatzthat and William Yeager posts on this issue on the variety issue on CCM radio, especially since whatzthat comments seems to have some scripture relevance and not just human speculation. I had a similar discussion with two Program Directors of local CCM stations in my hometown. I posed the question why Soft AC and CHR/Pop stations are able to avoid the color code playlist and not Christian AC stations. One kept replying with the issue of sound. However, he never directly answered my question on the difference between CHR/Pop and Soft AC wide variety playlist compared to that of Christian AC. He mentioned that artists like Out of Eden are too upbeat. However, this same station plays some of the upbeat sounds from artists like Staci Orrico and Jaci Valesquez which have a similar sound as some of Out of Eden's music. Actually, Out of Eden has some rather mellow pop sounding tracks on all their albums. The "Lean on Me" song and the 4 Him example mentioned earlier by whatzthat is an obvious illustration of the problem in Christian AC.
The white Christian stations are not the only ones involved in this color code issue. The black Christian stations are also to blame. These stations refuse to play some of the non-black artists music that fit the format well, such as, certain songs by Crystal Lewis, Staci Orrico and Kindred Three.
It seems that the overall problem is the spiritual condition or mindset of most listeners and programmers of these Christian stations. These are the people who are locked up in their comfort zones of self-righteousness, culture or other various forms of self-centeredness. Overall, Blacks prefer not interact with Whites and Whites prefer not interact with Blacks. They both prefer to remain in their own cultural comfort zone. The result is Christian radio based on the color code. Now, is this acceptable among Christianity today. The answer is yes. Is this acceptable to the Messiah and the teachings of scriptures. The answer is NO. Many Christians usually want to bypass discussing this issue in line with scriptures. What comes first, the teachings in the scriptures or our own racial preferences and man-made theories?
As far as that research mentioning 95% of Christian radio listeners as being white, I wonder if the southeast "Urban Gospel" stations like WHAL-FM and WHLH-FM were counted in that research. These are two of several stations with overall numbers in the top five in their markets. Also, WNAZ-FM has been in operation for a while. They don't seem to be unsuccessful. Another non-color code station which can be considered a heritage Christian radio station is WAKW-FM in Cincinnati.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by The RadioFan on 12/17/05 05:26 AM.</FONT></P>
> > So why aren't there more stations like WNAZ/WNRZ and KAFC?
>
> > In both cases these stations are in markets with very
> > successful mainstream CHR/Pop stations that play
> significant
> > amounts of urban music.
>
> I will add AMEN to that! My question exactly! Good
> response!!
> >
>
I have to agree with whatzthat and William Yeager posts on this issue on the variety issue on CCM radio, especially since whatzthat comments seems to have some scripture relevance and not just human speculation. I had a similar discussion with two Program Directors of local CCM stations in my hometown. I posed the question why Soft AC and CHR/Pop stations are able to avoid the color code playlist and not Christian AC stations. One kept replying with the issue of sound. However, he never directly answered my question on the difference between CHR/Pop and Soft AC wide variety playlist compared to that of Christian AC. He mentioned that artists like Out of Eden are too upbeat. However, this same station plays some of the upbeat sounds from artists like Staci Orrico and Jaci Valesquez which have a similar sound as some of Out of Eden's music. Actually, Out of Eden has some rather mellow pop sounding tracks on all their albums. The "Lean on Me" song and the 4 Him example mentioned earlier by whatzthat is an obvious illustration of the problem in Christian AC.
The white Christian stations are not the only ones involved in this color code issue. The black Christian stations are also to blame. These stations refuse to play some of the non-black artists music that fit the format well, such as, certain songs by Crystal Lewis, Staci Orrico and Kindred Three.
It seems that the overall problem is the spiritual condition or mindset of most listeners and programmers of these Christian stations. These are the people who are locked up in their comfort zones of self-righteousness, culture or other various forms of self-centeredness. Overall, Blacks prefer not interact with Whites and Whites prefer not interact with Blacks. They both prefer to remain in their own cultural comfort zone. The result is Christian radio based on the color code. Now, is this acceptable among Christianity today. The answer is yes. Is this acceptable to the Messiah and the teachings of scriptures. The answer is NO. Many Christians usually want to bypass discussing this issue in line with scriptures. What comes first, the teachings in the scriptures or our own racial preferences and man-made theories?
As far as that research mentioning 95% of Christian radio listeners as being white, I wonder if the southeast "Urban Gospel" stations like WHAL-FM and WHLH-FM were counted in that research. These are two of several stations with overall numbers in the top five in their markets. Also, WNAZ-FM has been in operation for a while. They don't seem to be unsuccessful. Another non-color code station which can be considered a heritage Christian radio station is WAKW-FM in Cincinnati.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by The RadioFan on 12/17/05 05:26 AM.</FONT></P>
Re: Topic
Very thoughtful and good comments!!! I personally believe that some of us haven't come to terms with feelings that are so to speak in the subconcious.
What you said was very good.
I was in a position to recommend music to many stations. Out of Eden and Virtue both had extremely mild songs that were released to inspo and A/C. The songs were never added. I added them but of course one station can't push the songs up the charts. Too bad. If we really believe that Christian listening habits are pretty similar to those who listen to secular music, we are missing the boat big time.
True, there are gospel stations that don't add music that would fit their formats done by white artists but then there is Martha Munizzi - the first white woman to win a Stellar award. Things are changing.
I am not bragging but I am grateful that during our sharathons, color made no difference in who brought in donations, many that were were not white graced our doors with checks and charge cards in hand.
We really need to break this barrier down and for those who like to believe it doesn't exist;open your eyes, it does. It may just be comfortable not to deal with it.
Quite a few years ago I had a talk with Kirk Franklin's management because every time he came to town, only the gospel stations were included in the concerts. I told them that all of this music was God's music and chuckled a few weeks later when he stood on stage at the GMA awards and said the very same thing. Whether it was coincidence, I'll never know.
Very thoughtful and good comments!!! I personally believe that some of us haven't come to terms with feelings that are so to speak in the subconcious.
What you said was very good.
I was in a position to recommend music to many stations. Out of Eden and Virtue both had extremely mild songs that were released to inspo and A/C. The songs were never added. I added them but of course one station can't push the songs up the charts. Too bad. If we really believe that Christian listening habits are pretty similar to those who listen to secular music, we are missing the boat big time.
True, there are gospel stations that don't add music that would fit their formats done by white artists but then there is Martha Munizzi - the first white woman to win a Stellar award. Things are changing.
I am not bragging but I am grateful that during our sharathons, color made no difference in who brought in donations, many that were were not white graced our doors with checks and charge cards in hand.
We really need to break this barrier down and for those who like to believe it doesn't exist;open your eyes, it does. It may just be comfortable not to deal with it.
Quite a few years ago I had a talk with Kirk Franklin's management because every time he came to town, only the gospel stations were included in the concerts. I told them that all of this music was God's music and chuckled a few weeks later when he stood on stage at the GMA awards and said the very same thing. Whether it was coincidence, I'll never know.
Re: Topic
> I am not bragging but I am grateful that during our
> sharathons, color made no difference in who brought in
> donations, many that were were not white graced our doors
> with checks and charge cards in hand.
I'm glad this is taken place with your sharathons. From your posts concerning the variety found on your playlist, this is a station I would enjoy listening to and support as well.
> We really need to break this barrier down and for those who
> like to believe it doesn't exist;open your eyes, it does. It
> may just be comfortable not to deal with it.
I agree 100%! The barrier has to be broken down if we expect to be witnesses of the truth. As for now, the world is influencing Christianity while bible-believers are suppose to be different from the world's ways and influence the world to the truth. The stand against abortion issue is only one area of importance. We can't decide which areas to follow and throw away the rest, for this is not a sign of a true follower of the Messiah.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by The RadioFan on 12/17/05 02:53 PM.</FONT></P>
> I am not bragging but I am grateful that during our
> sharathons, color made no difference in who brought in
> donations, many that were were not white graced our doors
> with checks and charge cards in hand.
I'm glad this is taken place with your sharathons. From your posts concerning the variety found on your playlist, this is a station I would enjoy listening to and support as well.
> We really need to break this barrier down and for those who
> like to believe it doesn't exist;open your eyes, it does. It
> may just be comfortable not to deal with it.
I agree 100%! The barrier has to be broken down if we expect to be witnesses of the truth. As for now, the world is influencing Christianity while bible-believers are suppose to be different from the world's ways and influence the world to the truth. The stand against abortion issue is only one area of importance. We can't decide which areas to follow and throw away the rest, for this is not a sign of a true follower of the Messiah.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by The RadioFan on 12/17/05 02:53 PM.</FONT></P>
Re: Topic
Then again, try as you might, even with Scripture to back you up, you can't make people listen to what they don't want to. You can't do a liner that says "The Bible says you need to listen to this song". <P ID="signature">______________
OK, I'm gonna vote Democratic next time..just to have a break from liberal whining.</P>
Then again, try as you might, even with Scripture to back you up, you can't make people listen to what they don't want to. You can't do a liner that says "The Bible says you need to listen to this song". <P ID="signature">______________
OK, I'm gonna vote Democratic next time..just to have a break from liberal whining.</P>
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radioelizabeth
Guest
Re: Topic
The RadioFan wrote:
"The white Christian stations are not the only ones involved in this color code issue. The black Christian stations are also to blame."
Statements like these seem harmful, hurtful and stereotypical. They perpetuate the very division you're against.*
Seriously, the issue is NOT skin color. Linens are "white", I'm a child of God.
The RadioFan wrote:
"It seems that the overall problem is the spiritual condition or mindset of most listeners and programmers of these Christian stations. These are the people who are locked up in their comfort zones of self-righteousness, culture or other various forms of self-centeredness. Overall, Blacks prefer not interact with Whites and Whites prefer not interact with Blacks. They both prefer to remain in their own cultural comfort zone. The result is Christian radio based on the color code."
What a broad brush statement to make. A bold assumption with no evidence being sited.
These theories, tossing in an artist or two or three, seem to stand in the dim light they are presented...but let's see some actual evidence that race or skin color has ever been a determination of a song getting or not getting spun.
You can pick and choose a thousand reasons why a thousand songs aren't played. If I decided to focus on gender, I'm sure I could use stations, songs, and situations to try to prove a point that short women with red hair don't get enough airtime on rock radio stations.
Also, when talking about successful stations that are spinning broad playlists, let's hear about the measure of success...are we just fans, or are there ratings and/or revenues to back up the claim.
Elizabeth
*side note: consider catching Morgan Freeman on 60 minutes for more on that...
<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
The RadioFan wrote:
"The white Christian stations are not the only ones involved in this color code issue. The black Christian stations are also to blame."
Statements like these seem harmful, hurtful and stereotypical. They perpetuate the very division you're against.*
Seriously, the issue is NOT skin color. Linens are "white", I'm a child of God.
The RadioFan wrote:
"It seems that the overall problem is the spiritual condition or mindset of most listeners and programmers of these Christian stations. These are the people who are locked up in their comfort zones of self-righteousness, culture or other various forms of self-centeredness. Overall, Blacks prefer not interact with Whites and Whites prefer not interact with Blacks. They both prefer to remain in their own cultural comfort zone. The result is Christian radio based on the color code."
What a broad brush statement to make. A bold assumption with no evidence being sited.
These theories, tossing in an artist or two or three, seem to stand in the dim light they are presented...but let's see some actual evidence that race or skin color has ever been a determination of a song getting or not getting spun.
You can pick and choose a thousand reasons why a thousand songs aren't played. If I decided to focus on gender, I'm sure I could use stations, songs, and situations to try to prove a point that short women with red hair don't get enough airtime on rock radio stations.
Also, when talking about successful stations that are spinning broad playlists, let's hear about the measure of success...are we just fans, or are there ratings and/or revenues to back up the claim.
Elizabeth
*side note: consider catching Morgan Freeman on 60 minutes for more on that...
<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
Re: Unfair darts
>
E wrote: Statements like these seem harmful, hurtful and
> stereotypical. They perpetuate the very division you're
> against.*
>
>You can't get rid of division until you come to terms with the fact that they exist. You obviously like to skirt the issue and point fingers at those who see find the divisions repulsive and want them stopped. You are so politically correct it amuses me. I have friends of all color who want it stopped, and they are not afraid to discuss it. People of all color who are Christians do not see color, it seems the industry does.
>
E wrote: Statements like these seem harmful, hurtful and
> stereotypical. They perpetuate the very division you're
> against.*
>
>You can't get rid of division until you come to terms with the fact that they exist. You obviously like to skirt the issue and point fingers at those who see find the divisions repulsive and want them stopped. You are so politically correct it amuses me. I have friends of all color who want it stopped, and they are not afraid to discuss it. People of all color who are Christians do not see color, it seems the industry does.
Re: Topic
"Then again, try as you might, even with Scripture to back
> you up, you can't make people listen to what they don't want
> to. You can't do a liner that says "The Bible says you need
> to listen to this song".
How do you know they won't listen to the song if it isn't added? Listeners certainly listen to R&B, soul and motown on secular radio. Why are Christian radio programmers so bent on keeping divisions (and I'm referring to both Gospel and CCM). We of all people are to be the examples of acceptance, and don't give me the baloney about formats. Mary Mary is one of our most requested artists. How often do you hear them on CCM , Christian CHR format plays them.
>
"Then again, try as you might, even with Scripture to back
> you up, you can't make people listen to what they don't want
> to. You can't do a liner that says "The Bible says you need
> to listen to this song".
How do you know they won't listen to the song if it isn't added? Listeners certainly listen to R&B, soul and motown on secular radio. Why are Christian radio programmers so bent on keeping divisions (and I'm referring to both Gospel and CCM). We of all people are to be the examples of acceptance, and don't give me the baloney about formats. Mary Mary is one of our most requested artists. How often do you hear them on CCM , Christian CHR format plays them.
>
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radioelizabeth
Guest
Re: Unfair darts
whatzthat wrote:
"You obviously like to skirt the issue and point fingers at those who see find the divisions repulsive and want them stopped. You are so politically correct it amuses me. I have friends of all color who want it stopped, and they are not afraid to discuss it."
You have got to be kidding me. I have never skirted an issue ever. And anyone who has known me can attest to that. Political correctness has absolutely nothing to do with this. It is about dignity and a refusal to label or define anyone based on the color of their skin.
I will not continue in a discussion that stamps a brand on something for absolutely no reason. A discussion that tosses out theories without evidence and makes assumptions based on limited facts.
A song is a song. A hit is a hit. And there are very real differences within cultures and nations all across this great big world. Skin tone is not the issue at all.
At all.
Elizabeth<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
whatzthat wrote:
"You obviously like to skirt the issue and point fingers at those who see find the divisions repulsive and want them stopped. You are so politically correct it amuses me. I have friends of all color who want it stopped, and they are not afraid to discuss it."
You have got to be kidding me. I have never skirted an issue ever. And anyone who has known me can attest to that. Political correctness has absolutely nothing to do with this. It is about dignity and a refusal to label or define anyone based on the color of their skin.
I will not continue in a discussion that stamps a brand on something for absolutely no reason. A discussion that tosses out theories without evidence and makes assumptions based on limited facts.
A song is a song. A hit is a hit. And there are very real differences within cultures and nations all across this great big world. Skin tone is not the issue at all.
At all.
Elizabeth<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
Re: Unfair darts
>"I will not continue in a discussion that stamps a brand on something for absolutely no reason. A discussion that tosses out theories without evidence and makes assumptions based on limited facts."
I don't remember discussing this with you. I was answering someone else who also notices things going on that are not proper either.
"A song is a song. A hit is a hit."
Not if you don't give it a chance for "some" reason. Even your listener got what was going on (re: your discussion with a caller). It certainly was discussed at the R&R Summit. Horrors to be!
"Skin tone is not the issue at all."
Seriously I would really like to believe that but in all honesty can't. This is discussed all the time with people I know in the industry (all colors). You see urban (and I'm using that description instead of color) as a format , yet why does it only work on CHR for songs that are released to both Christian A/C and CHR? Are the Programmers at CHR a little more open minded in areas. Why can the same style of music be played only by those that sound white.
If you are so open minded why does this offend you. It doesn't offend people of color (and I'm having to use that description to bring in those other than white so as not to offend you). Listeners of both races discuss it all the time, they aren't deaf or blind either. We are trying to find a way to end the division or at least understand the reason. If you think you can do that by putting your hands over your eyes and wishing it away, go ahead and play hide and seek with the issue.
If you find it so offensive - hit delete.
>"I will not continue in a discussion that stamps a brand on something for absolutely no reason. A discussion that tosses out theories without evidence and makes assumptions based on limited facts."
I don't remember discussing this with you. I was answering someone else who also notices things going on that are not proper either.
"A song is a song. A hit is a hit."
Not if you don't give it a chance for "some" reason. Even your listener got what was going on (re: your discussion with a caller). It certainly was discussed at the R&R Summit. Horrors to be!
"Skin tone is not the issue at all."
Seriously I would really like to believe that but in all honesty can't. This is discussed all the time with people I know in the industry (all colors). You see urban (and I'm using that description instead of color) as a format , yet why does it only work on CHR for songs that are released to both Christian A/C and CHR? Are the Programmers at CHR a little more open minded in areas. Why can the same style of music be played only by those that sound white.
If you are so open minded why does this offend you. It doesn't offend people of color (and I'm having to use that description to bring in those other than white so as not to offend you). Listeners of both races discuss it all the time, they aren't deaf or blind either. We are trying to find a way to end the division or at least understand the reason. If you think you can do that by putting your hands over your eyes and wishing it away, go ahead and play hide and seek with the issue.
If you find it so offensive - hit delete.
Re: Topic
> The RadioFan wrote:
> "The white Christian stations are not the only ones involved
> in this color code issue. The black Christian stations are
> also to blame."
>
> Statements like these seem harmful, hurtful and
> stereotypical. They perpetuate the very division you're
> against.*
>
> Seriously, the issue is NOT skin color. Linens are "white",
> I'm a child of God.
The truth sometimes hurt, yet it is real. If skin color is not the issue than explain why CHR and Soft AC stations can have a variety playlist and not Christian AC. Explain the label "Black Gospel." Explain whatzthat example of Christian AC playing only the Crystal Lewis version of "Lean on Me.
>
>
> The RadioFan wrote:
> "It seems that the overall problem is the spiritual
> condition or mindset of most listeners and programmers of
> these Christian stations. These are the people who are
> locked up in their comfort zones of self-righteousness,
> culture or other various forms of self-centeredness.
> Overall, Blacks prefer not interact with Whites and Whites
> prefer not interact with Blacks. They both prefer to remain
> in their own cultural comfort zone. The result is Christian
> radio based on the color code."
>
> What a broad brush statement to make. A bold assumption with
> no evidence being sited.
There is plently of evidence. Listen to the average Christian station, rather it is Christian AC, "Urban Gospel," or Southern Gospel. Also, visit the average church and you will find a one race congregation. Again, the example of the Lean on Me" song is a perfect example. Also, an Urban Gospel station played the song "The Blood is Red" featuring Kirk Franklin, Crystal Lewis and Donnie McClurkin. The announcer, a black woman, introduced the artists Kirk Franklin and Donnie McClurkin. However, for some reason Crystal Lewis was not mentioned.
There are plenty more evidence. CCM Magazine actually did an article on this issue a few years ago. The evidence is there. You seem to only want to skirt around the issue or you are simply blinded or asleep.
> The RadioFan wrote:
> "The white Christian stations are not the only ones involved
> in this color code issue. The black Christian stations are
> also to blame."
>
> Statements like these seem harmful, hurtful and
> stereotypical. They perpetuate the very division you're
> against.*
>
> Seriously, the issue is NOT skin color. Linens are "white",
> I'm a child of God.
The truth sometimes hurt, yet it is real. If skin color is not the issue than explain why CHR and Soft AC stations can have a variety playlist and not Christian AC. Explain the label "Black Gospel." Explain whatzthat example of Christian AC playing only the Crystal Lewis version of "Lean on Me.
>
>
> The RadioFan wrote:
> "It seems that the overall problem is the spiritual
> condition or mindset of most listeners and programmers of
> these Christian stations. These are the people who are
> locked up in their comfort zones of self-righteousness,
> culture or other various forms of self-centeredness.
> Overall, Blacks prefer not interact with Whites and Whites
> prefer not interact with Blacks. They both prefer to remain
> in their own cultural comfort zone. The result is Christian
> radio based on the color code."
>
> What a broad brush statement to make. A bold assumption with
> no evidence being sited.
There is plently of evidence. Listen to the average Christian station, rather it is Christian AC, "Urban Gospel," or Southern Gospel. Also, visit the average church and you will find a one race congregation. Again, the example of the Lean on Me" song is a perfect example. Also, an Urban Gospel station played the song "The Blood is Red" featuring Kirk Franklin, Crystal Lewis and Donnie McClurkin. The announcer, a black woman, introduced the artists Kirk Franklin and Donnie McClurkin. However, for some reason Crystal Lewis was not mentioned.
There are plenty more evidence. CCM Magazine actually did an article on this issue a few years ago. The evidence is there. You seem to only want to skirt around the issue or you are simply blinded or asleep.
Re: Unfair darts
> whatzthat wrote:
>
> "You obviously like to skirt the issue and point fingers at
> those who see find the divisions repulsive and want them
> stopped. You are so politically correct it amuses me. I have
> friends of all color who want it stopped, and they are not
> afraid to discuss it."
>
>
> You have got to be kidding me. I have never skirted an issue
> ever. And anyone who has known me can attest to that.
> Political correctness has absolutely nothing to do with
> this. It is about dignity and a refusal to label or define
> anyone based on the color of their skin.
>
> I will not continue in a discussion that stamps a brand on
> something for absolutely no reason. A discussion that tosses
> out theories without evidence and makes assumptions based on
> limited facts.
>
The facts have been brought up in many ways. However, it seems you choose skirt around the issue with your own theories. Once again, here are the facts. The average Christian station states the obvious. The average Christian station has a playlist containing either all Caucasian artists or all African-American artists. There are only a small few Christian stations without a color-code format. However, CHR and Soft AC station have found away to have both race of people on their playlists. This is the fact. This is the evidence. It is not difficult to see the evidence. Again, Whatzthat gave some evidence as well when he attempted to promote Virtue and Yolonda Adam on Christian AC and his ideas were turned down. You can opt away from the issue if you desire. However, the problem continues and the bad witness to the world will continue to exist. We are all accountable for the truth. Which side are you on, the right side or the wrong side?
> whatzthat wrote:
>
> "You obviously like to skirt the issue and point fingers at
> those who see find the divisions repulsive and want them
> stopped. You are so politically correct it amuses me. I have
> friends of all color who want it stopped, and they are not
> afraid to discuss it."
>
>
> You have got to be kidding me. I have never skirted an issue
> ever. And anyone who has known me can attest to that.
> Political correctness has absolutely nothing to do with
> this. It is about dignity and a refusal to label or define
> anyone based on the color of their skin.
>
> I will not continue in a discussion that stamps a brand on
> something for absolutely no reason. A discussion that tosses
> out theories without evidence and makes assumptions based on
> limited facts.
>
The facts have been brought up in many ways. However, it seems you choose skirt around the issue with your own theories. Once again, here are the facts. The average Christian station states the obvious. The average Christian station has a playlist containing either all Caucasian artists or all African-American artists. There are only a small few Christian stations without a color-code format. However, CHR and Soft AC station have found away to have both race of people on their playlists. This is the fact. This is the evidence. It is not difficult to see the evidence. Again, Whatzthat gave some evidence as well when he attempted to promote Virtue and Yolonda Adam on Christian AC and his ideas were turned down. You can opt away from the issue if you desire. However, the problem continues and the bad witness to the world will continue to exist. We are all accountable for the truth. Which side are you on, the right side or the wrong side?
Re: Topic
> Then again, try as you might, even with Scripture to back
> you up, you can't make people listen to what they don't want
> to. You can't do a liner that says "The Bible says you need
> to listen to this song".
>
Another example of skirting around the issue.
>OK, I'm gonna vote Democratic next time..just to break the liberal whining.
Another example of the world influencing Christians.
This is a typical response from the world. What does politics have to do with this issue? I come from a scriptural point of view. I can care less about liberal, conservative, republican or democrat. You can use your political tactics if you want. But, what does scripture say? If you think scriptural is liberal or democratic, then you have some serious issues. If you think politics will save you, then you have some serious. Politics will not save you. Following the ultimate truth of scripture will only save you.
> Then again, try as you might, even with Scripture to back
> you up, you can't make people listen to what they don't want
> to. You can't do a liner that says "The Bible says you need
> to listen to this song".
>
Another example of skirting around the issue.
>OK, I'm gonna vote Democratic next time..just to break the liberal whining.
Another example of the world influencing Christians.
This is a typical response from the world. What does politics have to do with this issue? I come from a scriptural point of view. I can care less about liberal, conservative, republican or democrat. You can use your political tactics if you want. But, what does scripture say? If you think scriptural is liberal or democratic, then you have some serious issues. If you think politics will save you, then you have some serious. Politics will not save you. Following the ultimate truth of scripture will only save you.
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radioelizabeth
Guest
Re: Topic
"You seem to only want to skirt around the issue or you are simply blinded or asleep."
I just as soon not use colors to define or describe human beings or the music they make.
Any human being. From any nation, culture, or race. Defining a person by the color of their skin IS the division.
So, call me blind, asleep or whatever you wish...but I'll stand on that statement. I always have and I always will.
Elizabeth
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"You seem to only want to skirt around the issue or you are simply blinded or asleep."
I just as soon not use colors to define or describe human beings or the music they make.
Any human being. From any nation, culture, or race. Defining a person by the color of their skin IS the division.
So, call me blind, asleep or whatever you wish...but I'll stand on that statement. I always have and I always will.
Elizabeth
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RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
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radioelizabeth
Guest
Re: Unfair darts
whatzthat wrote:
"Not if you don't give it a chance for "some" reason."
Once again, the assumption is there is "some" reason. How about siting a specific case where you KNOW that your theory is proven correct. Site one case where a PD or MD passed on a single based on your "some" reason. Or site a case where you know a PD or MD spun a single for the same. One specific instance where it is less conjecture and more fact.
"Even your listener got what was going on (re: your discussion with a caller)."
Our listener did not "get" anything that was going on, because nothing was. What I said then, I say now... the "color" of a person's skin does NOT merit airplay EITHER WAY.
"If you are so open minded why does this offend you. It doesn't offend people of color (and I'm having to use that description to bring in those other than white so as not to offend you)."
Describing or defining a human being based on the color of their skin IS the division.
I am offended because it's being tauted as a healthy discussion of an issue. It offends me that I'm being called deaf and blind and wishful and accused of playing games with this topic, rather than one who is bold enough to state the obvious and ignore the insult exposed by terms that have no place among Christians.
I am not a skin color. And to group me based on one is offensive.
But you are usually pretty good at offending me on this board, so it ought not suprise me too much.
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RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
whatzthat wrote:
"Not if you don't give it a chance for "some" reason."
Once again, the assumption is there is "some" reason. How about siting a specific case where you KNOW that your theory is proven correct. Site one case where a PD or MD passed on a single based on your "some" reason. Or site a case where you know a PD or MD spun a single for the same. One specific instance where it is less conjecture and more fact.
"Even your listener got what was going on (re: your discussion with a caller)."
Our listener did not "get" anything that was going on, because nothing was. What I said then, I say now... the "color" of a person's skin does NOT merit airplay EITHER WAY.
"If you are so open minded why does this offend you. It doesn't offend people of color (and I'm having to use that description to bring in those other than white so as not to offend you)."
Describing or defining a human being based on the color of their skin IS the division.
I am offended because it's being tauted as a healthy discussion of an issue. It offends me that I'm being called deaf and blind and wishful and accused of playing games with this topic, rather than one who is bold enough to state the obvious and ignore the insult exposed by terms that have no place among Christians.
I am not a skin color. And to group me based on one is offensive.
But you are usually pretty good at offending me on this board, so it ought not suprise me too much.
Elizabeth<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
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