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R&R Summit

Re: Topic /proof

> " I don't know any that call themselves that."
>
> You are truly "ignorant".(said with love).


Well, the antecedent was "stations," so....

You're saying that, if I were to call any of these stations and ask what kind of
station they are, they would say, "Black gospel." You really believe that?

My goodness you're obsessed with noting skin color at every possible moment!




> This is another example that you really don't want proof,
> you just want to argue and argue your time away.

Never! I would prefer to spend my time learning and doing!



> You think everyone should take radio lessons from you and
> Neutral Observer.

Actually, you were replying to me, not E.



> Boastful people better be careful lest they fall...

Indeed!

And what's more boastful than believing you know better than everyone --
including your audience, itself! -- what other people want!



> ...and continuing this way,you are in for a good one.

I assume I know nothing and do my best to find out what listeners want; you're
absolutely positive that you know best what "should" be on the air and
play what you want.




> You are truly arrogant and can't see beyond your prejudices.

"Prejudice" literally comes from the idea that something has been "pre-judged."
Again, I assume I know nothing and do my best to find out what listeners want;
you're absolutely positive that you know best what "should" be on the air
and play what you want. Which one of us has obviously "pre-judged?"

Add to that the fact I don't consider skin color as part of any decision while
your admitted philosophy is "no black artists = no black listeners," which
results in you making decisions with skin color as the major factor.

Now, who has prejudices here?




> Let's just sum this up. If I had a problem with race I
> wouldn't be complaining about some not getting a fair deal.

Again, you have the false presumption that comes from an inability to think in
any way other than top-down! Unlike you, we operate from the idea that
listeners decide, not we.




> I would be like you; everything is fine and nothing should be changed.

There is not a problem unless listeners say there is in their words or actions.



> The truth has come out about how you feel.

Concerning what music gets on the radio, I don't "feel" anything. Listeners get
what they want.

You should stop "feeling" and start asking, learning, and thinking.




> Also your maturity has been exposed, you are not able to
> talk about a deep subject.

No "deep subject" has been brought up. You just keep making a false charge but
never back it up, and my concern is that readers could go away believing a lie
that could be damaging to us.

Stop lying, bring up a "deep subject" (radio-related, of course), and we'll see
what happens.
 
Re: whatzthat

> > Now, will you do the same for us regarding the AC format?
>
> Are you playing Antonio Neal on AC? I think I asked this before.
> Are you adding music that is released to your format that is
> well produced,good message but a little urban (no more urban than
> Stacie Orrico) but again released to your format.

Many things to comment on in those words...

-- If you'd actually read my posts, you'd already know the answer and be
embarassed that you asked.
-- It's not the programmer's responsibility to add all or even any music that is
"released to your format" simply because it's well-produced and has a good
message. No, songs on the radio are the winners in a listener-based meritocracy,
not there because of some strange philosophy of music communism.
-- Why would you perceive Stacie as being "urban?" Her hits are as close to
old-school pure pop as you'll find these days...other than the moaning sounds.




> Do you find yourself saying "no this one is too "urban"
> (in place of a descriptive word that will upset "E" but
> again released to your format)?

Ah..."urban!" Now, that's different! We might finally be getting somewhere
where a much smarter conversation could take place! But I won't start it...I'll
wait and see....

Oh, and what's "released to your format" is irrelevant. Yet again, your
thinking is only top-down!



> Are you a leader or content to just follow everyone else?

I believe an accurate description of the job of PD, OM, or GM would be along the
lines of "leader of a station which is the servant ("follower," if you will) of
its listeners."

"Everyone else" is not a factor, whatsoever.
 
Re: Last Word to "E"

> Here's a question for you. Anyone playing Antonio Neal?


Hunh??

What in the world does that have to do with the last post??

You ignore the post to which you were supposedly responding and write that??


Here's the last post...you try again.

---------------------------------

> Last time I heard, everyone works really hard to balance
> scales but then again I guess I don't know about that
> either.

No, I don't. I work hard to learn what's true.



> I suppose the rest of us should just leave and you
> and "E" can agree on everything in la la land.

Now, why would you act like that?

You said you went to the R&R Summit...why'd you go? Wasn't it to learn?

When people who knew what they were talking about took to the mic at the front
of the room, did you immediately decide whether you "agreed" or "disagreed" and
learn nothing?




> argument: a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and
> against some proposition or proposal. Notice there are two
> sides not just one domineering the entire process.
> discuss the pros and cons of an issue.

There's only one side to the truth, though, and you ain't on it...just that false
charge over and over for some reason you won't disclose.

So, as you can see, we're not even really arguing. You keep making a false charge
over and over and refusing to back it up. We're just correcting your false charge
for the sake of those who might be reading this and going away with a false belief.
 
Re: Last Word to "E"

> > Here's a question for you. Anyone playing Antonio Neal?
>
>
> Hunh??
>
> What in the world does that have to do with the last post??
>
>It has to do with an artist who has released songs to gospel, CHR, Inspo and AC. Do you have him?
 
Re: whatzthat

>"Perhaps one day, you will be running a radio station and please yourself."

THAT was YOUR reply to radio fan. I'm still trying to find
out which one you run? That was a sarcastic question not serious.
I don't care who you please. This thing is absurd. I perceive
that you have an extremely negative character...whew.
 
Re: whatzthat

seriously, i thought you were leaving?<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
Re: Last Word to "E"

> > What in the world does that have to do with the last post??
>
> It has to do with an artist who has released songs to
> gospel, CHR, Inspo and AC. Do you have him?


Why do you bring him up? Is it because you've noticed the color of his skin
(you're obsessed with that, after all) and wish to make some point?

For the purpose of this discussion, this or any artist is irrelevant. I will
not be discussing any particular artist.

Now, back to the post you seem to be unable to respond to...give it your attention:
____________________________________________________________

> Last time I heard, everyone works really hard to balance
> scales but then again I guess I don't know about that
> either.

No, I don't. I work hard to learn what's true.



> I suppose the rest of us should just leave and you
> and "E" can agree on everything in la la land.

Now, why would you act like that?

You said you went to the R&R Summit...why'd you go? Wasn't it to learn?

When people who knew what they were talking about took to the mic at the front
of the room, did you immediately decide whether you "agreed" or "disagreed" and
learn nothing?




> argument: a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and
> against some proposition or proposal. Notice there are two
> sides not just one domineering the entire process.
> discuss the pros and cons of an issue.

There's only one side to the truth, though, and you ain't on it...just that false
charge over and over for some reason you won't disclose.

So, as you can see, we're not even really arguing. You keep making a false charge
over and over and refusing to back it up. We're just correcting your false charge
for the sake of those who might be reading this and going away with a false belief.
 
Re: You've done it again.

and why exactly did you cite Antonio Neal?<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
Re: You've done it again.

> "
and why exactly did you cite Antonio Neal?"

Curiosity and my own test. He's gotten great reviews,
are you playing him?
>
 
Re: Last Word to "E"

> You're side stepping because you don't know who he is.


Individual artists are irrelevant to the discussion of the issue. Therefore, I
won't be discussing any artists.


Here's what you're proving you're unable to respond to (start here!):
_______________________________________________________________________


> Last time I heard, everyone works really hard to balance
> scales but then again I guess I don't know about that
> either.

No, I don't. I work hard to learn what's true.



> I suppose the rest of us should just leave and you
> and "E" can agree on everything in la la land.

Now, why would you act like that?

You said you went to the R&R Summit...why'd you go? Wasn't it to learn?

When people who knew what they were talking about took to the mic at the front
of the room, did you immediately decide whether you "agreed" or "disagreed" and
learn nothing?




> argument: a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and
> against some proposition or proposal. Notice there are two
> sides not just one domineering the entire process.
> discuss the pros and cons of an issue.

There's only one side to the truth, though, and you ain't on it...just that false
charge over and over for some reason you won't disclose.

So, as you can see, we're not even really arguing. You keep making a false charge
over and over and refusing to back it up. We're just correcting your false charge
for the sake of those who might be reading this and going away with a false belief.
 
Re: Topic re:Radio Fan

>
> Please believe me Radio Fan, you are not seeing a true
> repesentation of Christian radio here. Christian radio is
> made up of great people, and even these people so demanding
> that you agree with them are great people, and they love the
> Lord and desire to serve Him. We are all flawed and fail.
> Don't leave Christian radio because of this discussion, we
> need you. Your input is important!
>
Whatzthat, I had a chance to hear portions of the Rush Limbaugh show on Friday. He was speaking with a caller who was a college student, who was pursuing a career in Politics. Rush gave a life testimony on his struggle as he was trying to reach his goal as talk show host. He received many negative responses from those around him. They were stating that he doesn't have what it takes to make it in broadcasting and his best bet is to either do radio sales or purse something outside of radio. Rush mentioned that he fail seven times before landing his successful position. With the lack of support from others along with some failure attempts, Rush Limbaugh is now the number one talk show host in the country.

You may find many people stating that your methods of programming Chrisian radio is absurd. However, it is obvious you have a concern and a dream. Despite what others say, continue to pursue that goal. Your desire or conviction may have been placed in you by our Creator. If that is the case, then who cares what others have to say. It is definitely a need.

Yesterday, I was talking to some good spiritual friends who were disappointed in the music currently airing on FM radio. They were focusing mainly on the CHR stations. I mentioned that I have experienced the filthy material on just about all FM radio stations, including Active Rock, Country, Hip Hop, Alternative, and CHR stations. My friends and I are at the point of completely turning the radio off and a couple mentioned that they had to remove the radio from their teenage daughter's room to protect her from hearing the garbage. So, there is definitely an audience that is looking for wholesome music currently not being offered on radio in most markets.
 
Re: Topic

> > Because, while the music may be nicely diverse, 'NAZ and
> > KAFC are NOT successful by all the standards radio defines
>
> > success by. They have awful ratings, and do not generate
> > significant income.
> >
> > Until a Christian CHR comes along with a great mix of
> music
> > AND the results to back it up, don't expect much to
> change.


> I know KAFC has been above 3 in the past, although I
> understand that their ratings took a big nosedive
> recently-although ironically, KAFC recenlty announced that
> it is cutting back the rhythmic music on its playlist down
> to about 20%.
>
> WNAZ needs a better signal. It's also in one of only two
> markets where there are two Christian CHRs (the other being
> Valdosta).

While all of is true, the fact remains that NO cutting edge, inclusive Christian CHRs can point to the numbers decision makers care about and convince them to adopt similar strategies.

The ones who MIGHT, just maybe, be able to point to numbers are the conservative stations (but even that's a stretch), or a few in small markets that the industry does not care about.
 
Re: Topic re:Radio Fan

> Yesterday, I was talking to some good spiritual friends who
> were disappointed in the music currently airing on FM radio.
> They were focusing mainly on the CHR stations. I mentioned
> that I have experienced the filthy material on just about
> all FM radio stations, including Active Rock, Country, Hip
> Hop, Alternative, and CHR stations. My friends and I are at
> the point of completely turning the radio off and a couple
> mentioned that they had to remove the radio from their
> teenage daughter's room to protect her from hearing the
> garbage. So, there is definitely an audience that is
> looking for wholesome music currently not being offered on
> radio in most markets.


Of course there is....but you're not going to find Active Rock, Country, Hip
Hop, Alternative, and CHR all showing up on an AC station because they are
inconsistent with what AC stations are!

Sooooooooooo....if you're going to have those at all, they must be separate
offerings! That is exactly why I suggested the two of you think through those
outrageous combinations in a previous post...the different styles are incompatible
with the nature of the one station and entirely unacceptable to the listeners of it.

And that has nothing to do with skin color. So please don't attack the
AC's for being what they are, being what they're called to be, doing the
absolute best they can at doing that, and staying true to their mission.
 
Re: Topic re:Radio Fan

> > Yesterday, I was talking to some good spiritual friends
> who
> > were disappointed in the music currently airing on FM
> radio.
> > They were focusing mainly on the CHR stations. I mentioned
>
> > that I have experienced the filthy material on just about
> > all FM radio stations, including Active Rock, Country, Hip
>
> > Hop, Alternative, and CHR stations. My friends and I are
> at
> > the point of completely turning the radio off and a couple
>
> > mentioned that they had to remove the radio from their
> > teenage daughter's room to protect her from hearing the
> > garbage. So, there is definitely an audience that is
> > looking for wholesome music currently not being offered on
>
> > radio in most markets.
>
>
> Of course there is....but you're not going to find Active
> Rock, Country, Hip
> Hop, Alternative, and CHR all showing up on an AC station
> because they are
> inconsistent with what AC stations are!

For one thing, my reply was directed to whatzthat only. Another thing, I never mentioned Active Rock, Country Hip Hop, Alternative and CHR showing up on AC stations. That was not mentioned at all in this post! I was simply mentioning the fact that vulgar and demonic messages are plaguing the stations who are engaged in these types of formats and innocent people are listening to these stations because they have no other station to listen. Therefore, there is a need for Christian stations that can reach the audiences currently not served by Christian radio. This is the only point I was trying to express in my last post. There are sexual suggestive lyrics on CHR and hip hop stations aired during all dayparts, shock jocks and demonic expression music on Active Rock and Alternative radio, and lyrics dealing with drinking and extramarital affairs on Country radio. There is a need for more wholesome entertainment for listeners who prefer other styles of music not found on existing Christian stations.
>
> Sooooooooooo....if you're going to have those at all, they
> must be separate
> offerings! That is exactly why I suggested the two of you
> think through those
> outrageous combinations in a previous post...the different
> styles are incompatible
> with the nature of the one station and entirely unacceptable
> to the listeners of it.
>
> And that has nothing to do with skin color. So please don't
> attack the
> AC's for being what they are, being what they're called to
> be, doing the
> absolute best they can at doing that, and staying true to
> their mission.
>
Again, you did not read that post thoroughly. I never made such comments. I was trying to stay away from this drawn out argument. However, for some strange reason, you want to continue to bring it up. The post was simply was used to mention the need and as a word of encouragement to whatzthat, and was not attended to be used as another slam towards anyone.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by The RadioFan on 12/26/05 07:40 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Topic re:Radio Fan

Kind of sad isn't it Radio Fan that both of these disputing people spent their Christmas on the forum.
I read your comments and found Neutral Observer's display of "know it all" remarks to not make any sense. I understood your meaning perfectly.
 
even beyond below the belt

whatzthat wrote:
"Kind of sad isn't it Radio Fan that both of these disputing people spent their Christmas on the forum."


What a sad sad post. Typical and terrible.

Once again...there is your character coming to light.

At least it's buried way down here on the board, where few will have to read it.

I notice you've bailed on the obvious threads where your arguments could never be validated and instead continued with your personal slams here.

Yes, this post is personal. You have NO IDEA how anyone on this board spent their Christmas...OR WHY.

Your comment is disgraceful and you ought to feel ashamed that you would even go there.

Elizabeth


<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
Re: Last Word to "E"

I've lost the beginning and the end of this discussion
>
 
Re: summary

It was somewhat summarized in an above post.

Basically the discussion centered around whether stations added or passed or should add or pass on artists and songs based on skin color.

One side said it happened all the time. The other side asked for evidence.

One side said color mattered because that is just real life. The other side said color never matters, no matter what.

It got a little personal on occassion...and so... I can see how it would be hard to follow now.

:)
e<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
Re: It just goes on and on

"I notice you've bailed on the obvious threads where your
> arguments could never be validated and instead continued
> with your personal slams here."
>

I'm sorry I missed those wonderful remarks of yours. I was
replying to Radio Fan's remarks.
Yesterday was Christmas you know. Like I said you don't need
me to argue and fight, you're the Queen of the slams!
I'm looking at as many as I can right now due to my
schedule and it looks like you were doing nothing Christmas
but writing on the discussion board.
I'm tired of getting these replies on my email - where is the moderator?
Someone needs to step it and stop this constant harrassment.
 
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