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Radio 104.5: A Few Thoughts

Well, New Jersey lost one of the best alternative rock stations in the country for Top 40 about a year ago. I knew of Radio 104.5's existence prior to this, but seldom listened for long because of the extremely safe song selections I heard when I did tune in. I decided to give it another try.

This is Clear Channel's "McRadio" version of Alternative. They seem to like giving many of their stations around the country a branding like "Radio", and they all have three things in common: droning station IDs, DJs that seldom talk, and an overall very tight playlist.

I'm not sure what kind of listener they're going for. I personally find it hard to listen to the station for more than 10 minutes at a time, simply because they're always falling back on the same tired songs. Perhaps most listen a little bit longer due to the lack of competition out there; no one else plays alternative rock, so Radio 104.5's watered-down take on the format works, I suppose.

I guess they're targeting a younger audience with the presentation: Very little DJ banter, wanting to make it sound like an iPod. Whatever works ... I personally would like to hear a bit more talking, but that's fine. Where they're going wrong is not playing enough music. As I said before, the playlist is kind of tight. The music is supposed to lend personality to the station, something it lacks from not having enough talk - and there just isn't enough of it. They've also only got 20 or so Current-ish titles. Also a sign they're skewing younger: going very light on '80s titles, aside from the most mainstream of rock acts (U2 and The Police come to mind, and always the most obvious songs from them - never expect "Two Hearts Beat As One" or "Driven To Tears" on this station). Is it asking too much to throw the people who knew alternative rock existed before Nirvana a bone every so often?

Finally, I'm going over some recently played songs, and I'm really scratching my head. I see Blues Traveler, Jack Johnson, and freakin' No Doubt. I also see Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco, Blink 182, and one of Green Day's easy listening songs ("Good Riddance") - all within a two hour span. Let's see, the first group is what the soccer moms are into, and the second is what the teenybopping little girls enjoy ... neither are your typical alt-rock listener. I've also heard them play The Fray a few times, hardly an act that anyone would consider alternative. What's going on? Equally troubling is what they're NOT playing. I could go down a list, but why bother? Just put it this way - the classic and modern true alternative rock acts that you can hear on the best stations (WFNX comes to mind) are nowhere to be found. Why, you ask? You got me. I guess they just can't pass up the opportunity to play "Smells Like Teen Spirit" or a bunch of other played-out tracks for the umpteenth time.

But what do I know? They're posting pretty strong ratings up to this point. However, it's just a matter of time before people get tired of hearing the same old stuff and the station takes a tumble. Playing it TOO safe can come back to haunt you. I personally don't understand why they won't at least mix it up and be at least a little daring late at night. And they should have a live DJ instead of Otto Mation at this time, but I guess that's in keeping with the "Less Talk" theme of the station.
 
Soul Crusher why keep comparing every alternative station to "G-Rock"? Yes "G-Rock" was a gem, and yes it was a great station, but it's gone. And Philly is not the Jersey Shore or South Jersey. "Radio 104.5" does a decent job of covering my alternative music needs. Yeah it's low profile, yeah it sounds like an automated player, but they play some decent music. It serves it's purpose and does well for Clear Channel. Sadly it's all about making a dollar, and keeping costs as low as possible. In the end this is what you get. It seems they do rather well in the ratings, which means people are listening. I know a morning show breaks from the format of alternative music, but I'd have to believe they could put "Elliot" from DC 101 in the morning. It might make the station a bit edgier and bring some new people to the station. All in all it's not the station you pine for.....but it does fill a void, and it is more than many cities have.
 
Uncle Bozzie, I think Soul Crusher just needs more time. Heck, longtime lurkers of this board recall that poster EYG's not willing to accept the fact that the rock station known as "The Hawk" was not gone, even going so far as to say it "lives on" in his sig. I'm sure Soul Crusher, much like EYG before him, will eventually accept G-Rock's demise at some point.
 
I have a feeling that even if Press decided to bring "G-Rock" back from the dead it would still not be to Souls liking. He'd be like the folks who clamored for WCBS-FM to return, and when it did it wasn't to their liking. Times change and so do radio stations, why get so upset about it? I spend very little time listening to the radio in the car, but I can find a station or 4 that meet my needs for that 20 minutes or so, these stations aren't pathetic enough to infuriate me like Soul does. And at home the internet or my hd radio bring me many alternatives that negate the pathetic state of local radio. In a world where we have so many media outlets Soul I have to believe some outlet exists for your musical tastes.
 
Radio 104.5 does sound pretty close to what G Rock sounded like before Terrie Carr came along, except that even back then they had DJ's with personality. At the time I thought the station could be better, but was still satisfied enough with it to listen frequently. And that's how I feel about 104.5 too. Some of the artists they play may be questionably alternative, but the only ones that really grate on me are the Fall Out Boy/Panic! At The Disco type acts. And they don't play them enough to drive me nuts. They still play more music I like than the other rock stations that can be heard in central NJ, aside from WRXP which I like better overall, but they also occasionally play some off-putting music.

Of course it would be nice to have a station like latter-day G Rock, WFNX, or WEQX in this area, but frankly I'll take what I can get.
 
I took a little listen to Radio 104.5 - they pretty much sound like a Jack FM.
 
Keep in mind that Philadelphia doesn't have a mainstream hot AC station. 106.1 is rhythmic AC, and they shy away from rock-based pop. BEN-FM plays the older stuff, but plays little in the way of current or recurrent product. WPST covers that niche for part of the market, but it's not a Philly station. WRFF is the only station playing alternative and newer rock leaning pop titles. The soccer moms are just as important to them as the 25-44 males most alternative stations target. They're trying to cover a lot of musical ground and merge two very different audiences. Sure it's safe, but they've got the cume and ratings points to legitimize their direction.
 
Radio 104.5 is ok, if your trapped in your car and have no access to the internet.
but at home I never listen to terrestial radio, it's to boring and bland.
I subscribed to Pandora "One" and just love it, I pipe that into my home stereo and if I catch a tune I really like, they have the "Buy" Option.
Terrestial radio needs to get with the times, because this is the future.
trust me as soon as we have "Seamless" broadband wireless across america and a device to access content like Pandora and other internet provided streams, we can kiss terrestial radio good-bye.
in a way, it will still be like terrestial radio, being that it comes in on the airwaves, but it will be on a different frequency and be in a digital format.
We just need to keep big corporate types like Clear channel away, they will just mess it up.
 
UncleBozzle said:
I have a feeling that even if Press decided to bring "G-Rock" back from the dead it would still not be to Souls liking. He'd be like the folks who clamored for WCBS-FM to return, and when it did it wasn't to their liking. Times change and so do radio stations, why get so upset about it? I spend very little time listening to the radio in the car, but I can find a station or 4 that meet my needs for that 20 minutes or so, these stations aren't pathetic enough to infuriate me like Soul does. And at home the internet or my hd radio bring me many alternatives that negate the pathetic state of local radio. In a world where we have so many media outlets Soul I have to believe some outlet exists for your musical tastes.

Not in the wasteland for radio that is Southern Ocean County. Here, we have seven Top 40 stations (WJLK, WAYV, WRDW, WZBZ, WIOQ, WSJO, WBBO) and six Soft Rock stations (WOBM, WFPG, WBHX, WJRZ, WBEB, WWZY)! That's thirteen stations dedicated to only two formats! So you can understand that with this approach to radio, there isn't going to be "something for everybody". My tastes actually go beyond alternative rock - I like the variety of WBEN (if you're going to do a format low on talk, this is how you do it: a deep library of songs), and the lack of predictability at WISX. Both have arguably among the weaker signals in Philly and don't reach us here very well (they also have to contend with 'MMR clone 95.9 WRAT and Top 40 106.3 WHTG respectively). I'm a fan of talk programming and would probably listen to WPHT if there wasn't so much static. There really aren't many options at all out here, so my FM radio is pretty much worthless now. Until something changes, online radio, Music Choice and my MP3s are the way to go.
 
I was up in the Apple today visiting my cousin in Da Bronx, this city has the best HD-2 formats anywhere bar none...92.3 and 104.3 are fantastic for new, old, grunge and 90's alternative, punk, plus metal cuts and just plain hard rock and not the routine shlock, lots of tunes never played on their main signals. CBS-FM's HD-2 also plays 90's alternative and old and new alternative and rock, RXP has a fantastic format on the main signal, on the HD-2 plenty of all the wall cuts, there is even an oldies format PLJ-HD-2. I was going between 92.3, 95.5, 101.1, 102.7 and 104.3 HD-2's and XRP's main signal, which was so much better than WRFF. I thought KTU's HD-2 was country but it wasn't, so there is still no country in NYC on HD-1-2 or 3. Why can't these formats survive on the main signals that they have to be put on HD-2's, it shows programmers can really do a great job with rock formats if they want to. Also the ESB HD's go furthur than the Philly HD signals. I just could not understand in buildings and underground in Penn station no signals were receivable, which was odd due to the proximity of the ESB.
 
The HD signals from the ESB are running between 43 and 60 watts depending on the station. Even close in to Empire, that's just not enough "oomph" to penetrate buildings or to get underground, where even the analog signals (4300-6000 watts ERP) struggle to be heard sometimes.

And there's country on 106.7-2, or at least there was in January when I was last there.
 
Thanks for the info, forgot to try Lites HD-2...I always thought Country was on KTU's HD-2....I did notice however you can receive the NYC HD-s right outside of Trenton, which is a good haul....Phillys dont make it that far....
 
If you're traveling up the Turnpike/Parkway:

Country was on KTU's HD-2, but moved over to 106.7 Lite-Fm's HD-2 & is Clear Channel's "Country Road" national format. KTU's 103.5 HD-2 is Clear Channel's "Pride" national dance music format. Q104.3's HD-2 is Clear Channel's "Rock Nation" national format. Citadel's WPLJ 95.5 HD-2 is Scott Shannon's "True Oldies" national format. Fresh FM 102.7's HD-2 is the "last.fm" national format (may be somewhat tailored to New York; unsure...). Emmis 98.7 KissFM's HD-2 is "HumDesi's" South Asian programming. Power 105.1's HD-2 is Clear Channel's "Mia" national format (tropical/reggaeton/other spanish language music). SBS's WSKQ Mega 97.9 HD-2 is "One Caribbean Radio", HD-3 is occasionally broadcasting spanish language music.

All the others are locally produced: CBS Radio's 92.3 Now's HD-2 is alternative "K-Rock2"; Emmis WRXP's 101.9 HD-2 is Smooth Jazz/AC; Z100's HD-2 is a new CHR music/interview format (not using CC's Verizon New Music national format); CBS-FM's 101.1 HD-2 is "ToNY", a "Jack-like" format, mostly 80s-90s pop/rock based; Emmis Hot 97's HD-2 is "Throwback" classic hip-hop; WNYC's 93.9 HD-2 is a simulcast of WQXR's classical format; WQXR's 105.9 HD-2 is "Q2", a variation on classical music. Fordham University's WFUV 90.7 HD-2 is "24/7 WFUV" (when main signal does sports/other live programming) & HD-3 is alternative music.

The HD-3's are simulcasts of co-owned AM stations: 92.3 Now HD-3 is WFAN Sportsradio 66; WNYC 93.9 HD-3 is WNYC-AM-820; WPLJ 95.5 HD-3 is Talk Radio 77 WABC; WCBS-FM HD-3 is WCBS Newsradio 880; WWFS Fresh 102.7 HD-3 is 1010 WINS News Radio.

SBS's 93.1 Amor (WPAT) has tested its HD's, currently silent; Family Radio's WFME 94.7 has no HD; Univision's X96.3 has no HD; Pacifica's WBAI 99.5 has no HD; Inner City's WBLS 107.5 has no HD. Most of the suburban stations have HD on their main signal.
 
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