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[Deleted User]

the U S Supreme COurt has ruled, as recently as this year that there is a constitutional right to individual ownership of a weapon and to be able to carry it outside the home.

So we can stop beating that horse, the Militia thing has to be taken in 1700's meaning.

But if you don't think a government can be removed by people with basic rifles, take a look at Afghanistan.

The Taliban took that country using AK-47's and not much else

 

[TheBigA]

the U S Supreme COurt has ruled, as recently as this year that there is a constitutional right to individual ownership of a weapon and to be able to carry it outside the home.

Yep, you can carry your gun outside the home, down the street, and into the school, where you shoot everyone in sight.

Then we wonder what happened.

 

[gr8oldies]

Yep, you can carry your gun outside the home, down the street, and into the school, where you shoot everyone in sight.

Then we wonder what happened.

Permitless carry! No background checks! No training! Your constitutional right is to buy and carry any and all weapons in any and all places! Show that principal you mean business by waving a gun around in a school board meeting!

I have been assured that there are only 2 types of gun owners a) criminals and b)law abiding gun owners who will take out the next mass shooter even with no training. There are no road rage shootings, nobody who leaves weapons out that kids get ahold of, n o domestic abusers who get hot tempered. Guns! Guns! Guns! MAGA MAGA MAGA

 

[boombox4]

But.....but......when we fight the woke libs in Civil War II !

I realize you're exaggerating to make a point, but Civil War II simply ain't gonna happen.

"Well regulated militia," as defined in the Constitution and written in late-18th centuryese, meant well-trained and well-disciplined.

There is a law on the books defining what the Federal militia is. 10 USC Section 246 is as follows:

That law was written in 1956, about 167 years after the Second Amendment became law.

On local conservative talk radio I hear gun shop advertisements now and then, but they're more in general, reminding the listeners that they're there and provide quality service and even training. I've also heard adverts for gun ranges. I haven't heard any advertisments recently (within the past couple years, anyway) for specific guns. And never for an AR. I know there are plenty online, though. When I researched high capacity magazines I saw a lot of websites for those, as well as various ARs and similar weapons.

Obviously, this may vary from region to region, as far as radio goes. Even the conservative talkers here who talked about guns generally have talked about gun safety as well. I don't hear a lot of the pro-gun rhetoric that Gr8oldies mentions, although some callers may give those opinions, especially on the national shows.

 

[davideduardo]

That's a far cry from "unlimited guns for every man, woman and child in all places and all times with no restrictions whatsoever" that seems to be the popular right-wing definition

I'd add "the popular extreme and radical right-wing definition".

As everyone knows by now, I am an independent who is part libertarian and part Republican, but with more open social values. So like all of us, I'm probably closer to friends (although not exclusionary) who have similar thoughts. I don't know a single Republican friend who believes in a need or right to own weapons that fire huge magazines full of armor piercing bullets faster than video can film the speed of firing.

Lots of my friends believe in the right and need to have a weapon for personal and family protection. While some are now taking the stock line of "those liberals have restrained the police so much that they can't protect me any more" most simply understand that even back to biblical times there are people who want to take things that don't belong to them and having a weapon and good training is one element to self-preservation.

Saying that all conservatives believe in unfettered ownership of guns fit for WW III is a vast exaggeration. But I can't see Russia from my porch and I don't go out and shoot elks and moose ("meece"?) for fun and sport.

 

[Deleted User]

Yep, you can carry your gun outside the home, down the street, and into the school, where you shoot everyone in sight.

Then we wonder what happened.

There are many places you can not legally carry a gun, a school is one.

That is why they are such attractive target for criminals intent on doing others harm, the people who commit such heinous acts know they are not going to face any resistance.... after all the Police are going to save your children... just ask the parents in Broward County, Stoney Hook, or Texas.

But for the sake of conversation let's go back to the last major overhaul of gun laws in America, The Gun Control Act of 1968.
There were not a lot of gun laws on the books compared to today, and I don't remember one school shooting when I grew up, heck there was a pistol range under the gymnasium and we used to go pick up the spent brass. Do that in Massachusetts now, have a piece of spent brass, a bullet key chain or a .50 cal bottle opener and you are getting cuffed and stuffed.... ask the kid that bought a belt with fake bullets on it at Spencers Gifts and was arrested for wearing it.

Metalhead arrested for wearing bullet-belt

Belt confiscated by Boston police. A 26-year-old man wearing a belt of fake-bullets, "spiked fighting gloves," and "spiked leather bracelets" caused what Boston Police described as a “real panic” as he rode an MBTA bus last Friday. The Boston Police Department's website describes the "real...

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[Deleted User]

So besides Howie Carr and Grace Curley being sponsored by Cape Gun Works, and doing live remotes there, and Tobey Leary being on every Tuesday for an hour on Grace's show.... and they also take advertising from another gun centric business...

WRKO runs a gun talk show on the weekends, and they are not the only affiliate seems to be a fair number of stations carrying it.

https://www.guntalk.com/radio-stations#Find-Your-Station

Remember folks, in any revolution one of the first places that gets taken over are radio and TV stations.

Does anyone else run 62 grain 5.56 in a 1:8 twist at 16"?
is 40 S&W really that crappy a round?

10MM, it isn't just for sockets anymore!

God made men, Sam Colt made them equal, and John Moses Browning made them civilized.​

 

[gr8oldies]

I'd add "the popular extreme and radical right-wing definition".

As everyone knows by now, I am an independent who is part libertarian and part Republican, but with more open social values. So ke all of us, I'm probably closer to friends (although not exclusionary) who have similar thoughts. I don't know a single Republican friend who believes in a need or right to own weapons that fire huge magazines full of armor piercing bullets faster than video can film the speed of firing.

Lots of my friends believe in the right and need to have a weapon for personal and family protection. While some are now taking the stock line of "those liberals have restrained the police so much that they can't protect me any more" most simply understand that even back to biblical times there are people who want to take things that don't belong to them and having a weapon and good training is one element to self-preservation.

Saying that all conservatives believe in unfettered ownership of guns fit for WW III is a vast exaggeration. But I can't see Russia from my porch and I don't go out and shoot elks and moose ("meece"?) for fun and sport.

There are many places you can not legally carry a gun, a school is one.

That is why they are such attractive target for criminals intent on doing others harm, the people who commit such heinous acts know they are not going to face any resistance.... after all the Police are going to save your children... just ask the parents in Broward County, Stoney Hook, or Texas.

But for the sake of conversation let's go back to the last major overhaul of gun laws in America, The Gun Control Act of 1968.
There were not a lot of gun laws on the books compared to today, and I don't remember one school shooting when I grew up, heck there was a pistol range under the gymnasium and we used to go pick up the spent brass. Do that in Massachusetts now, have a piece of spent brass, a bullet key chain or a .50 cal bottle opener and you are getting cuffed and stuffed.... ask the kid that bought a belt with fake bullets on it at Spencers Gifts and was arrested for wearing it.

Metalhead arrested for wearing bullet-belt

Belt confiscated by Boston police. A 26-year-old man wearing a belt of fake-bullets, "spiked fighting gloves," and "spiked leather bracelets" caused what Boston Police described as a “real panic” as he rode an MBTA bus last Friday. The Boston Police Department's website describes the "real...

dangerousminds.net

It just can't be that, especially in this MAGA climate, teachers and school board members just may not want deranged Moms for Liberty (Ignorance) parents or out of town grifters waving guns around at school board meetings and parent-teacher conferences? "You're grooming my kid" (out comes the gun). But the solution supposed;y is more guns, every teacher carrying guns on top of everything else they have to do. Meanwhile our kids go to school in prison camps with armed sentries so Billy Bob can strap 3 AR15s to himself to pick up a Subway order. Oh, every ma, woman and child carrying guns keep me safe. Until I cut off the wrong driver, or have to guess whether the guy with an AR15 strapped to himself is just showing his MAGA 2nd amendment bonafide or having a last meal before shooting up to place. But we're all, especially children, just sacrifices for the second sentence of the Second Amendment.

 

[gr8oldies]

I'd add "the popular extreme and radical right-wing definition".

As everyone knows by now, I am an independent who is part libertarian and part Republican, but with more open social values. So ke all of us, I'm probably closer to friends (although not exclusionary) who have similar thoughts. I don't know a single Republican friend who believes in a need or right to own weapons that fire huge magazines full of armor piercing bullets faster than video can film the speed of firing.

Lots of my friends believe in the right and need to have a weapon for personal and family protection. While some are now taking the stock line of "those liberals have restrained the police so much that they can't protect me any more" most simply understand that even back to biblical times there are people who want to take things that don't belong to them and having a weapon and good training is one element to self-preservation.

Saying that all conservatives believe in unfettered ownership of guns fit for WW III is a vast exaggeration. But I can't see Russia from my porch and I don't go out and shoot elks and moose ("meece"?) for fun and sport.

Your Republican friends would be called RINOs by my state legislators. Unlimited guns for everyone and personal arsenals is Gospel Truth around here. We've got one public official wanting his followers to arm up for civil unrest. Guess the good righteous county people are supposed to trade bullets for evil woke liberals in the cities.

 

[davideduardo]

Your Republican friends would be called RINOs by my state legislators. Unlimited guns for everyone and personal arsenals is Gospel Truth around here. We've got one public official wanting his followers to arm up for civil unrest. Guess the good righteous county people are supposed to trade bullets for evil woke liberals in the cities.

And that is why I am not registered as a Republican. As someone who for much of three decades was a member of the New Progressive Party (PNP), I inherited an affiliation with the Republicans. But when you take away the Puerto Rican statehood issue, I become independent. I am as far from the "take up arms" Republicans as I am from Bernie and Elizabeth and the Squad.

Were it not for the total lack of success of a third party in over a century (Even Teddy could not make it work), I'd say that there is a huge centrist segment that would gladly leave either of the two parties. Now, that would make for much more fun on talk radio.

 

[gr8oldies]

And that is why I am not registered as a Republican. As someone who for much of three decades was a member of the New Progressive Party (PNP), I inherited an affiliation with the Republicans. But when you take away the Puerto Rican statehood issue, I become independent. I am as far from the "take up arms" Republicans as I am from Bernie and Elizabeth and the Squad.

Were it not for the total lack of success of a third party in over a century (Even Teddy could not make it work), I'd say that there is a huge centrist segment that would gladly leave either of the two parties. Now, that would make for much more fun on talk radio.

We're not set up to have a successful 3rd party Presidential candidate (and I have been a 3rd Party voter). Every election would end up in the House. I would imagine there's more purple among the people, even in our blue-dot-in-red-sea area, but the loudest voices on the dominant right tell us "you either 100% are loyal to MAGA or you're a radical leftist socialist communist Marxist whatever". It also sounds like "we can't be responsible if you (minorites, liberals) get uppity" (protest, hold a Pride parade).

 

[TheBigA]

There are many places you can not legally carry a gun, a school is one.

Did that fact stop legal gun owners from carrying their guns into schools and shootings kids? No.

 

[gr8oldies]

Did that fact stop legal gun owners from carrying their guns into schools and shootings kids? No.
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Which brings us right back to "meh, nothing we can do. We have thank our brave children for their sacrifice for the Second Amendment"

 

[TheBigA]

I don't remember one school shooting when I grew up,

However there were some pretty major assassinations in those days. By some pretty crazy people.

God made men, Sam Colt made them equal,

The problem today is all gun owners are seen as equal. That includes crazy people and criminals. The advantage the crazy people and criminals have is that THEY know they're crazy and criminals. We don't know until they do something crazy or criminal.

We need to do a better job stopping the crazy people from buying guns legally. To do that, it may mean some inconveniences for everyone else.

When people board planes, they must remove their shoes. Why are people so willing to remove their shoes to enter a plane, but are not willing to go through some inconveniences when buying an AR14?

 

[Kelly A]

There are many places you can not legally carry a gun, a school is one.

And yet in Texas, teachers and staff are allowed to bring guns. I would argue, you can't have it both ways.

That is why they are such attractive target for criminals intent on doing others harm, the people who commit such heinous acts know they are not going to face any resistance.... after all the Police are going to save your children... just ask the parents in Broward County, Stoney Hook, or Texas.

But you're assuming these mass killers are rational actors that are concerned about their own safety. They aren't. The vast majority expect to be killed by police. The only reason many attack while wearing a ballistic vest, is to delay the inevitable while getting more shots off. These crazies in their mind want to: 'Go out in a blaze of glory'.
Belief that armed citizens in public places is going to discourage mass shooter behavior, is completely incorrect. Considering many who do have concealed-carry permits maybe visited a shooting range once, if at all, means the chances of effectively taking down a mass shooter with an AR, boils down to luck, or potentially creating a worse situation.

But for the sake of conversation let's go back to the last major overhaul of gun laws in America, The Gun Control Act of 1968.
There were not a lot of gun laws on the books compared to today, and I don't remember one school shooting when I grew up, heck there was a pistol range under the gymnasium and we used to go pick up the spent brass.

Big difference is the type of weapon sold. AR-style weapons have outpaced in sales every other type of handgun or shotgun. And since AR's are the choice of mass shooters, that means the opportunities for new instances of mass shootings have increased along with the AR sales. I argue that reason is because those who intentionally purchase weapons designed to kill humans at high rates, are mentally predisposed to potentially carry out that sort of thing.

Do that in Massachusetts now, have a piece of spent brass, a bullet key chain or a .50 cal bottle opener and you are getting cuffed and stuffed.... ask the kid that bought a belt with fake bullets on it at Spencers Gifts and was arrested for wearing it.

And mass shootings have created the paranoia, especially in schools. Remember, Sandy Hook Elementary School was near Massachusetts in Connecticut? When you think about it, do you blame them?

 

[frankberry]

This thread has wandered WAY off-topic. Time to close it.