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fred flintstone
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The following appeared on the Job Openings section on All Access. It may disappear from there any minute now, so I am posting it here where you all can see it. Truer word were never posted.
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radiofriend1
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maybe in a major market in the early seventies. i was in a med market when i got my first fulltime gig and it was $200 a wk + remotes, dances
i know i speak for many in our biz when i say i would work for less if i could do something i truly luv
i had chances to work making cars then-$$$ great, stress and repetition not worth it
it's like being in a rock n' roll band---the money sometimes sucked and the hours were long but it beat workin for a livin
i know i speak for many in our biz when i say i would work for less if i could do something i truly luv
i had chances to work making cars then-$$$ great, stress and repetition not worth it
it's like being in a rock n' roll band---the money sometimes sucked and the hours were long but it beat workin for a livin
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fred flintstone
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radiofriend1 said:maybe in a major market in the early seventies. i was in a med market when i got my first fulltime gig and it was $200 a wk + remotes, dances
i know i speak for many in our biz when i say i would work for less if i could do something i truly luv
i had chances to work making cars then-$$$ great, stress and repetition not worth it
it's like being in a rock n' roll band---the money sometimes sucked and the hours were long but it beat workin for a livin
Management knows that and they are very happy to take advantage of it.
So radio is filled with people who live with their parents or have a working spouse who can their radio "hobby" - or maybe addiction is a better word.
Radio has had a breakthrough. Instead of PAYING McWages, they charge people to go on the air and do their own show.
And still most radio people won't unionize; they treat being screwed as an honor.
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radiofriend1
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fred flintstone said:radiofriend1 said:maybe in a major market in the early seventies. i was in a med market when i got my first fulltime gig and it was $200 a wk + remotes, dances
i know i speak for many in our biz when i say i would work for less if i could do something i truly luv
i had chances to work making cars then-$$$ great, stress and repetition not worth it
it's like being in a rock n' roll band---the money sometimes sucked and the hours were long but it beat workin for a livin
Management knows that and they are very happy to take advantage of it.
So radio is filled with people who live with their parents or have a working spouse who can their radio "hobby" - or maybe addiction is a better word.
Radio has had a breakthrough. Instead of PAYING McWages, they charge people to go on the air and do their own show.
And still most radio people won't unionize; they treat being screwed as an honor.
and it's ALWAYS been that way. the big-time high-profile morning shows and the top-top sellers rake in the major dough. some pds and gm's can make big buckos. and those who aren't afarid of being resourceful (live reads, remotes/appearances, voiceover work and voicetracking) can live very comfortably and do what they truly luv
i've said this before and gotten blitzed for it, but here goes again....................if it's THAT bad, plz get out and be done with it
but quit boring us.........none of this is new
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954
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fred flintstone said:
I think that's because radio people are generally more
independent-minded than factory workers or government employees.
Tell me.... How is being screwed by a union preferable to
being screwed by an employer?
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Radiofriend1 (who clearly is a friend of radio management) seems to feel that because maltreatment of employees in radio has always happened - and is widespread, then it's OK.
It's starting to sound like he is in management; one of the screwers, not one of the screwees.
954: Despite union abuses, which do occur, workers are generally better off with unions than without them.
As Joe Kennedy said, "all businessmen are SOBs." He would know; since he was one of the biggest SOBs that ever lived. You don't like the government interfering. You don't like unions. Apparently, you also believe that when workers get screwed they should shut up - take it - and get over it. Again, this suggests either you are in management or - you have have never gotten screwed (and other people getting screwed doesn't matter or never really happened). Nice guy!
It's starting to sound like he is in management; one of the screwers, not one of the screwees.
954: Despite union abuses, which do occur, workers are generally better off with unions than without them.
As Joe Kennedy said, "all businessmen are SOBs." He would know; since he was one of the biggest SOBs that ever lived. You don't like the government interfering. You don't like unions. Apparently, you also believe that when workers get screwed they should shut up - take it - and get over it. Again, this suggests either you are in management or - you have have never gotten screwed (and other people getting screwed doesn't matter or never really happened). Nice guy!
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radiofriend1
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fred flintstone said:
WAIT A SEC. how did we take the leap from the state of radio today to **MALTREATEMENT OF EMPLOYEES* where u get off calling me "one of the screwers"?????
u don't know a thing about me
obviously u have some deep and bitter feelings toward former employers-nothing i can do about that
but i'll say this----i know u would have no place in the world of radio in which i operate. and thank u for confirming to all of us why u are apparently NOT involved in fun and successful radio in 2006
perhaps had u channeled your energy into being a positive influence vs. being a victim u wouldn't be where u apparently are today, which is clearly **NOWHERE**
The More Things Change, the More They Remain the Same
The model for radio talent is - and has been - as follows:
1) Develop your skills. If you have talent, and work to develop it, you'll be able to get a job.
2) Once you get a job, shut up, work hard, and develop an audience. Get to know the community and the people in it. Treat phone calls, remotes, and appearances as a way to meet your audience, not avoid them. Try to make these meetings a positive experience for everybody. If you do this successfully, you should see an increase in ratings.
3) Point out the increase in ratings, and ask for an increase in compensation. Please be advised that a single book "bump" is not an increase in ratings. It takes 2 or 3 books to show a real uptick. In a 1 book per year market, that means 2 or 3 years of consistent gains. Alternatively, build relationships with advertisers that make them request you for remotes, appearances, voiceovers, etc. This establishes your value to the company.
4) If there's no increase in compensation, assume that the company doesn't value you. Do you really want to work for a company that doesn't value you? Maybe it's time to start looking for a company that does.
5) Take some advice from Deep Throat. "Follow the MONEY". If you're talented enough, and work hard enough, you'll eventually find a place that pays you enough to be comfortable, and where you like to work. Continue to work hard, continue to connect to you audience, and enjoy the ride.
6) Someday, somebody else will buy the station and screw it up. If you've been professional and gracious, the guys across the street will welcome you with open arms, and you'll take your audience with you. The new owners will wonder why they aren't able to make the "projections" they sold to stockholders, and you'll be able to smile every time you think of it. Alternatively, you'll be hitting the road and searching for that next "comfortable" spot. Save some money while you're employed as a hedge against that day.
Of course, wives, kids, and family responsibilities have a way of rewriting this career plan...
The model for radio talent is - and has been - as follows:
1) Develop your skills. If you have talent, and work to develop it, you'll be able to get a job.
2) Once you get a job, shut up, work hard, and develop an audience. Get to know the community and the people in it. Treat phone calls, remotes, and appearances as a way to meet your audience, not avoid them. Try to make these meetings a positive experience for everybody. If you do this successfully, you should see an increase in ratings.
3) Point out the increase in ratings, and ask for an increase in compensation. Please be advised that a single book "bump" is not an increase in ratings. It takes 2 or 3 books to show a real uptick. In a 1 book per year market, that means 2 or 3 years of consistent gains. Alternatively, build relationships with advertisers that make them request you for remotes, appearances, voiceovers, etc. This establishes your value to the company.
4) If there's no increase in compensation, assume that the company doesn't value you. Do you really want to work for a company that doesn't value you? Maybe it's time to start looking for a company that does.
5) Take some advice from Deep Throat. "Follow the MONEY". If you're talented enough, and work hard enough, you'll eventually find a place that pays you enough to be comfortable, and where you like to work. Continue to work hard, continue to connect to you audience, and enjoy the ride.
6) Someday, somebody else will buy the station and screw it up. If you've been professional and gracious, the guys across the street will welcome you with open arms, and you'll take your audience with you. The new owners will wonder why they aren't able to make the "projections" they sold to stockholders, and you'll be able to smile every time you think of it. Alternatively, you'll be hitting the road and searching for that next "comfortable" spot. Save some money while you're employed as a hedge against that day.
Of course, wives, kids, and family responsibilities have a way of rewriting this career plan...
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fred flintstone
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radiofriend1 said:
Apparently you read as well as u rite.
You condone maltreatment of employees and tell those maltreated to get over it.
That makes you sound like either management or a management lacky.
What you call "positive influence" I call either kissing ass or being a mindless, unquestioning dupe.
If you are cruel to a dog he will: (1) Run away. (2) Turn on you and attack. (3) Keep crawling back for more. Most people in radio are number three. Apparently you find such traits admirable.
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radiofriend1
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fred flintstone said:
fred-where do u see me EVER encouraging our condoning what u are accusing me of?
wow, dude- u need some serious help
your post has **HEAD CASE** written all over it
From a different perspective, which hasn't been covered here...
Some of us pay talent as much as we can afford to pay them, which ain't much. People complain because owners are dropping live programming, but many of those same people also scream when they don't think air talent makes enough money.
I agree that radio folks are underpaid for the most part, but sometimes we as owners just do the best we can.
Some of us pay talent as much as we can afford to pay them, which ain't much. People complain because owners are dropping live programming, but many of those same people also scream when they don't think air talent makes enough money.
I agree that radio folks are underpaid for the most part, but sometimes we as owners just do the best we can.
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