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radio free brattleboro: The latest chapter...

I hate to say this but RFB is fighting a losing battle. I believe in their cause and wish RFB the best, but I learned long ago to pick only the battles I stood a good chance of winning. The fact that the community may want RFB has no bearing on the FCC enforcing its rules. Thank goodness you are not in Florida where I live. Here someone can call the local police department and charge you with a 3rd degree felony for interference issues. I am working with the ARRL to overturn this illegal Florida RFI law.

Oldies Guy



> (From the "Brattleboro Reformer")
>
> An assistant Vermont United States attorney is asking a
> judge to decide without a trial whether radio free
> brattleboro should stay on the air.
>
> (Read more here)
>
>
>
http://www.reformer.c> om/cda/article/print/0,1674,102%257E8860%257E2921484,00.html
>
 
They could have avoided this whole mess if they had mapped out the FM and AM Bands right. They should have had a block of Frequencies that are specifically Low Powered. 100w ERP or less based on size/population of town. they could have garunteed each town 1 or 2 AM and FM Frequencies and the block could be reused from town to town. Then they should have a small educational band. and then the traditional commercial band. then they should have an unlicensed operation similar to AM, 100mw into a 1/4 wave permanately attached whip/ or in the alternateive a feild strength limitation of 500uv/m @ 30m from property boundaries. this can be private property, private/semi public like apt complexes, etc, or educational/religous campuses. for AM they could have unlicensed operation of 1w into a 15m antenna or a f/s limitation similar to what we have now and the licensed frequencies could have a reserved low power band, an educational band and a commercial band and then open up 1710 for strictly license free operations and leave 1690 as a guard band for 1710.

if they had done this from the start or something similar we would not be having the problems we have now with stations like FRB and other pirates.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: radio free brattleboro: I think all of you are missing the point.

The fact is, someone is finally fighting the FCC instead of running away with tails between their legs.... Finally, a hand full of US citizens that have the guts, determination, and lawyers whom would take on such a monumential task... Just think, if they win how many community stations would start to pop up.... In my opinion, this is good...

Some of you don't think so.... Er rather, some of you don't want them to win. Simply because the "rules" you up-hold. Not to mention all the usual comments. Example: "anarky" "Kaos" "jammed frequencies" "Interfearance" Hog wash! No one wants to be steped on, and no one wants to step on anyone else. Sure, it may happen. But maybe the FCC will finally have a section spicifically for the community radio licensed or not. It is a fact, the FCC has the community radio, and radio in general locked. Pitty. We all would want more power, and espically, more power to the people, instead of more power to the Clearer Channel-less, then the ordinary guy. maybe with this case, if they win, the FCC will finally see the citizens are fed up, and offer frequencies just for community radio. Would you all like that? certanilly we would!

The frequencies are all of ours... Not the Governments to determin who of the masses incomes determin whom gets licenses. For too long the rich can only bid on frequencies. You have to be a millionair to bid with the FCC. Speaking about commercial radio.

Non-commercial is still a difficult process, Even non-commercial radio's FCC rules suck. So, what do we do? Like a robber entering your home, you fight. I'm glad these hand full of ordinary citizens are fighting for what they beleive in. And I hope they win.

Hams are loosing frequencies to others... The FCC taketh away but dosen;t allot any other frequencies... I remember discussions about starting a community band here... Talk was for all kinds of frequencies, every frequency was discussed... Even the low power AM petition... What ever happend to that? FCC still "pondering" it?.. Bull, they don't want to free up any because it's money in the Government pockets.... Taxed enough? Locally, and federaly...

More power to them... I hope for all of our sake they win!.. They do, I will be the first to get the ball rolling for 10 watt FM community radio. Now, presentance will be set. Can't go wrong when the exact same thing has happened, and it becaomes legal somewhere else. The case has be set, and let the 10 watters power up.... maybe, by this case, we all can have a chance at some real power! So, think about it. Woulden't you want to operate a legal 10 watter?


The views espressed in this post are of the poster. Freedom of speach is a special thing... Let's keep it that way!

I haven't posted anything here for quite some time. Some of you know me, some of you don't.
 
Re: radio free brattleboro: I think all of you are missing the point.

Bill:

I think it is you that is missing the point. The FCC is not the enemy of community broadcasting. The NAB and rogue local or state governments pose a real problem to community broadcasters and people just don't realize it.

Are you aware the State of Florida has taken it upon themselves to pass legislation prohibiting ALL forms of unlicensed broadcasting? And your State of New Jersey has something in the works as well. And if you commit an alleged interference of a licensed station you'll be charged with a FELONY! Go to www.wilw.com and check out the Commentaries on this subject and you'll be enlightened.

Whether we like it or not it is the FCC that controls the airwaves. When rogue state governments like FLA and NJ take it upon themselves to create legislation that conflicts with Federal law then it hurts us all. I am all in favor of civil disobedience when the outcome helps the majority or the underdog with good intentions but this is a case where it can easily and will easily backfire and result in legislating more radio stations out of existence.

While I respect Radio Free Brattleboro and their fight to create a new, "legal" form of low power broadcasting in their little Hamlet they do so without realizing the repercussions from this battle. Just as easily as one community CAN make it legal to broadcast with an unlicensed station another one can just as easily take it away.

Since the NAB runs the airwaves and corporate America most of the country it is a safe bet they can easily influence politicians to legislate unlicensed broadcasting out of existence in most states. Presently legal unlicensed broadcasting does exist in the form of FCC part 15 broadcasting but if the Federal government allows the FLA law to stand they will have effectively neutered their ability to govern the airwaves and it opens up Pandora's Box to any city, state or county to create their own new broadcast rules.

For every Brattleboro that comes along there will be a Florida or New Jersey that wants to wipe out unlicensed broadcasting in favor of the corporate broadcasters despite the fact the FCC runs the airwaves. And these states seem more keen on enforcing their laws or have the manpower while the FCC does not. And instead of simply getting a verbal warning or NAL when caught you will be arrested and charged with a felony in these states.

Think about it...


> The fact is, someone is finally fighting the FCC instead of
> running away with tails between their legs.... Finally, a
> hand full of US citizens that have the guts, determination,
> and lawyers whom would take on such a monumential task...
> Just think, if they win how many community stations would
> start to pop up.... In my opinion, this is good...
>
> Some of you don't think so.... Er rather, some of you don't
> want them to win. Simply because the "rules" you up-hold.
> Not to mention all the usual comments. Example: "anarky"
> "Kaos" "jammed frequencies" "Interfearance" Hog wash! No one
> wants to be steped on, and no one wants to step on anyone
> else. Sure, it may happen. But maybe the FCC will finally
> have a section spicifically for the community radio licensed
> or not. It is a fact, the FCC has the community radio, and
> radio in general locked. Pitty. We all would want more
> power, and espically, more power to the people, instead of
> more power to the Clearer Channel-less, then the ordinary
> guy. maybe with this case, if they win, the FCC will finally
> see the citizens are fed up, and offer frequencies just for
> community radio. Would you all like that? certanilly we
> would!
>
> The frequencies are all of ours... Not the Governments to
> determin who of the masses incomes determin whom gets
> licenses. For too long the rich can only bid on frequencies.
> You have to be a millionair to bid with the FCC. Speaking
> about commercial radio.
>
> Non-commercial is still a difficult process, Even
> non-commercial radio's FCC rules suck. So, what do we do?
> Like a robber entering your home, you fight. I'm glad these
> hand full of ordinary citizens are fighting for what they
> beleive in. And I hope they win.
>
> Hams are loosing frequencies to others... The FCC taketh
> away but dosen;t allot any other frequencies... I remember
> discussions about starting a community band here... Talk was
> for all kinds of frequencies, every frequency was
> discussed... Even the low power AM petition... What ever
> happend to that? FCC still "pondering" it?.. Bull, they
> don't want to free up any because it's money in the
> Government pockets.... Taxed enough? Locally, and
> federaly...
>
> More power to them... I hope for all of our sake they
> win!.. They do, I will be the first to get the ball rolling
> for 10 watt FM community radio. Now, presentance will be
> set. Can't go wrong when the exact same thing has happened,
> and it becaomes legal somewhere else. The case has be set,
> and let the 10 watters power up.... maybe, by this case, we
> all can have a chance at some real power! So, think about
> it. Woulden't you want to operate a legal 10 watter?
>
>
> The views espressed in this post are of the poster. Freedom
> of speach is a special thing... Let's keep it that way!
>
> I haven't posted anything here for quite some time. Some of
> you know me, some of you don't.
>
 
Re: radio free brattleboro: I think all of you are missing the point.

William,

You are missing the point, just like many people.... The core of the problem is the FCC. If the FCC diden't sway toward any one org, then, the FCC would be for the people, or "Do the right thing".

Now, i'm not going to debate with you or anyone else. The fact is, if the FCC wants to see community radio, It would happen. It hasen't and I do not see it happening within my life time. FCC watch groups, Citizens signing petitions, FCC getting comments.... Bull... All the FCC has to do is make it happen. Period!... never mind the NAB, Never mind the various unions, groups, and such.
civil disobedience is whats needed now... Revolution...

I think most of us feel if the FCC diden't listen to the beasts, then, Community radio, and other broadcasting licenses would be easy to obtain.

That's my opinion.... Take it or not.. No debating, or discussion....

Think about that.













> Bill:
>
> I think it is you that is missing the point. The FCC is not
> the enemy of community broadcasting. The NAB and rogue
> local or state governments pose a real problem to community
> broadcasters and people just don't realize it.
>
> Are you aware the State of Florida has taken it upon
> themselves to pass legislation prohibiting ALL forms of
> unlicensed broadcasting? And your State of New Jersey has
> something in the works as well. And if you commit an alleged
> interference of a licensed station you'll be charged with a
> FELONY! Go to www.wilw.com and check out the Commentaries
> on this subject and you'll be enlightened.
>
> Whether we like it or not it is the FCC that controls the
> airwaves. When rogue state governments like FLA and NJ take
> it upon themselves to create legislation that conflicts with
> Federal law then it hurts us all. I am all in favor of
> civil disobedience when the outcome helps the majority or
> the underdog with good intentions but this is a case where
> it can easily and will easily backfire and result in
> legislating more radio stations out of existence.
>
> While I respect Radio Free Brattleboro and their fight to
> create a new, "legal" form of low power broadcasting in
> their little Hamlet they do so without realizing the
> repercussions from this battle. Just as easily as one
> community CAN make it legal to broadcast with an unlicensed
> station another one can just as easily take it away.
>
> Since the NAB runs the airwaves and corporate America most
> of the country it is a safe bet they can easily influence
> politicians to legislate unlicensed broadcasting out of
> existence in most states. Presently legal unlicensed
> broadcasting does exist in the form of FCC part 15
> broadcasting but if the Federal government allows the FLA
> law to stand they will have effectively neutered their
> ability to govern the airwaves and it opens up Pandora's Box
> to any city, state or county to create their own new
> broadcast rules.
>
> For every Brattleboro that comes along there will be a
> Florida or New Jersey that wants to wipe out unlicensed
> broadcasting in favor of the corporate broadcasters despite
> the fact the FCC runs the airwaves. And these states seem
> more keen on enforcing their laws or have the manpower while
> the FCC does not. And instead of simply getting a verbal
> warning or NAL when caught you will be arrested and charged
> with a felony in these states.
>
> Think about it...
>
>
> > The fact is, someone is finally fighting the FCC instead
> of
> > running away with tails between their legs.... Finally, a
> > hand full of US citizens that have the guts,
> determination,
> > and lawyers whom would take on such a monumential task...
> > Just think, if they win how many community stations would
> > start to pop up.... In my opinion, this is good...
> >
> > Some of you don't think so.... Er rather, some of you
> don't
> > want them to win. Simply because the "rules" you up-hold.
> > Not to mention all the usual comments. Example: "anarky"
> > "Kaos" "jammed frequencies" "Interfearance" Hog wash! No
> one
> > wants to be steped on, and no one wants to step on anyone
> > else. Sure, it may happen. But maybe the FCC will finally
> > have a section spicifically for the community radio
> licensed
> > or not. It is a fact, the FCC has the community radio, and
>
> > radio in general locked. Pitty. We all would want more
> > power, and espically, more power to the people, instead of
>
> > more power to the Clearer Channel-less, then the ordinary
> > guy. maybe with this case, if they win, the FCC will
> finally
> > see the citizens are fed up, and offer frequencies just
> for
> > community radio. Would you all like that? certanilly we
> > would!
> >
> > The frequencies are all of ours... Not the Governments to
>
> > determin who of the masses incomes determin whom gets
> > licenses. For too long the rich can only bid on
> frequencies.
> > You have to be a millionair to bid with the FCC. Speaking
> > about commercial radio.
> >
> > Non-commercial is still a difficult process, Even
> > non-commercial radio's FCC rules suck. So, what do we do?
> > Like a robber entering your home, you fight. I'm glad
> these
> > hand full of ordinary citizens are fighting for what they
> > beleive in. And I hope they win.
> >
> > Hams are loosing frequencies to others... The FCC taketh
> > away but dosen;t allot any other frequencies... I remember
>
> > discussions about starting a community band here... Talk
> was
> > for all kinds of frequencies, every frequency was
> > discussed... Even the low power AM petition... What ever
> > happend to that? FCC still "pondering" it?.. Bull, they
> > don't want to free up any because it's money in the
> > Government pockets.... Taxed enough? Locally, and
> > federaly...
> >
> > More power to them... I hope for all of our sake they
> > win!.. They do, I will be the first to get the ball
> rolling
> > for 10 watt FM community radio. Now, presentance will be
> > set. Can't go wrong when the exact same thing has
> happened,
> > and it becaomes legal somewhere else. The case has be set,
>
> > and let the 10 watters power up.... maybe, by this case,
> we
> > all can have a chance at some real power! So, think about
> > it. Woulden't you want to operate a legal 10 watter?
> >
> >
> > The views espressed in this post are of the poster.
> Freedom
> > of speach is a special thing... Let's keep it that way!
> >
> > I haven't posted anything here for quite some time. Some
> of
> > you know me, some of you don't.
> >
>
 
Re: radio free brattleboro: I think all of you are missing the point.

No debating the issue? Then why bother to post this topic on the board? Your "opinions" are off base and out of touch with reality.

Licensed LPFM is community radio. Part 15 broadcasting is community radio. Licensed LPAM (if approved) will be community radio.

All I see is that we can lose legal unlicensed broadcasting in rogue states that choose not to respect Federal law which usurps State and Local laws. The FCC is not responsible for that. It is NOT the FCC trying to take away unlicensed broadcasting but states like Florida and New Jersey. And you hold the FCC responsible for that?



> William,
>
> You are missing the point, just like many people.... The
> core of the problem is the FCC. If the FCC diden't sway
> toward any one org, then, the FCC would be for the people,
> or "Do the right thing".
>
> Now, i'm not going to debate with you or anyone else. The
> fact is, if the FCC wants to see community radio, It would
> happen. It hasen't and I do not see it happening within my
> life time. FCC watch groups, Citizens signing petitions, FCC
> getting comments.... Bull... All the FCC has to do is make
> it happen. Period!... never mind the NAB, Never mind the
> various unions, groups, and such.
> civil disobedience is whats needed now... Revolution...
>
> I think most of us feel if the FCC diden't listen to the
> beasts, then, Community radio, and other broadcasting
> licenses would be easy to obtain.
>
> That's my opinion.... Take it or not.. No debating, or
> discussion....
>
> Think about that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bill:
> >
> > I think it is you that is missing the point. The FCC is
> not
> > the enemy of community broadcasting. The NAB and rogue
> > local or state governments pose a real problem to
> community
> > broadcasters and people just don't realize it.
> >
> > Are you aware the State of Florida has taken it upon
> > themselves to pass legislation prohibiting ALL forms of
> > unlicensed broadcasting? And your State of New Jersey has
>
> > something in the works as well. And if you commit an
> alleged
> > interference of a licensed station you'll be charged with
> a
> > FELONY! Go to www.wilw.com and check out the Commentaries
>
> > on this subject and you'll be enlightened.
> >
> > Whether we like it or not it is the FCC that controls the
> > airwaves. When rogue state governments like FLA and NJ
> take
> > it upon themselves to create legislation that conflicts
> with
> > Federal law then it hurts us all. I am all in favor of
> > civil disobedience when the outcome helps the majority or
> > the underdog with good intentions but this is a case where
>
> > it can easily and will easily backfire and result in
> > legislating more radio stations out of existence.
> >
> > While I respect Radio Free Brattleboro and their fight to
> > create a new, "legal" form of low power broadcasting in
> > their little Hamlet they do so without realizing the
> > repercussions from this battle. Just as easily as one
> > community CAN make it legal to broadcast with an
> unlicensed
> > station another one can just as easily take it away.
> >
> > Since the NAB runs the airwaves and corporate America most
>
> > of the country it is a safe bet they can easily influence
> > politicians to legislate unlicensed broadcasting out of
> > existence in most states. Presently legal unlicensed
> > broadcasting does exist in the form of FCC part 15
> > broadcasting but if the Federal government allows the FLA
> > law to stand they will have effectively neutered their
> > ability to govern the airwaves and it opens up Pandora's
> Box
> > to any city, state or county to create their own new
> > broadcast rules.
> >
> > For every Brattleboro that comes along there will be a
> > Florida or New Jersey that wants to wipe out unlicensed
> > broadcasting in favor of the corporate broadcasters
> despite
> > the fact the FCC runs the airwaves. And these states seem
>
> > more keen on enforcing their laws or have the manpower
> while
> > the FCC does not. And instead of simply getting a verbal
> > warning or NAL when caught you will be arrested and
> charged
> > with a felony in these states.
> >
> > Think about it...
> >
> >
> > > The fact is, someone is finally fighting the FCC instead
>
> > of
> > > running away with tails between their legs.... Finally,
> a
> > > hand full of US citizens that have the guts,
> > determination,
> > > and lawyers whom would take on such a monumential
> task...
> > > Just think, if they win how many community stations
> would
> > > start to pop up.... In my opinion, this is good...
> > >
> > > Some of you don't think so.... Er rather, some of you
> > don't
> > > want them to win. Simply because the "rules" you
> up-hold.
> > > Not to mention all the usual comments. Example: "anarky"
>
> > > "Kaos" "jammed frequencies" "Interfearance" Hog wash! No
>
> > one
> > > wants to be steped on, and no one wants to step on
> anyone
> > > else. Sure, it may happen. But maybe the FCC will
> finally
> > > have a section spicifically for the community radio
> > licensed
> > > or not. It is a fact, the FCC has the community radio,
> and
> >
> > > radio in general locked. Pitty. We all would want more
> > > power, and espically, more power to the people, instead
> of
> >
> > > more power to the Clearer Channel-less, then the
> ordinary
> > > guy. maybe with this case, if they win, the FCC will
> > finally
> > > see the citizens are fed up, and offer frequencies just
> > for
> > > community radio. Would you all like that? certanilly we
> > > would!
> > >
> > > The frequencies are all of ours... Not the Governments
> to
> >
> > > determin who of the masses incomes determin whom gets
> > > licenses. For too long the rich can only bid on
> > frequencies.
> > > You have to be a millionair to bid with the FCC.
> Speaking
> > > about commercial radio.
> > >
> > > Non-commercial is still a difficult process, Even
> > > non-commercial radio's FCC rules suck. So, what do we
> do?
> > > Like a robber entering your home, you fight. I'm glad
> > these
> > > hand full of ordinary citizens are fighting for what
> they
> > > beleive in. And I hope they win.
> > >
> > > Hams are loosing frequencies to others... The FCC
> taketh
> > > away but dosen;t allot any other frequencies... I
> remember
> >
> > > discussions about starting a community band here... Talk
>
> > was
> > > for all kinds of frequencies, every frequency was
> > > discussed... Even the low power AM petition... What ever
>
> > > happend to that? FCC still "pondering" it?.. Bull, they
> > > don't want to free up any because it's money in the
> > > Government pockets.... Taxed enough? Locally, and
> > > federaly...
> > >
> > > More power to them... I hope for all of our sake they
> > > win!.. They do, I will be the first to get the ball
> > rolling
> > > for 10 watt FM community radio. Now, presentance will be
>
> > > set. Can't go wrong when the exact same thing has
> > happened,
> > > and it becaomes legal somewhere else. The case has be
> set,
> >
> > > and let the 10 watters power up.... maybe, by this case,
>
> > we
> > > all can have a chance at some real power! So, think
> about
> > > it. Woulden't you want to operate a legal 10 watter?
> > >
> > >
> > > The views espressed in this post are of the poster.
> > Freedom
> > > of speach is a special thing... Let's keep it that way!
>
> > >
> > > I haven't posted anything here for quite some time.
> Some
> > of
> > > you know me, some of you don't.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: radio free brattleboro: I think all of you are missing the point.

> No debating the issue? Then why bother to post this topic
> on the board? Your "opinions" are off base and out of touch
> with reality.
>
> Licensed LPFM is community radio. Part 15 broadcasting is
> community radio. Licensed LPAM (if approved) will be
> community radio.
>
> All I see is that we can lose legal unlicensed broadcasting
> in rogue states that choose not to respect Federal law which
> usurps State and Local laws. The FCC is not responsible for
> that. It is NOT the FCC trying to take away unlicensed
> broadcasting but states like Florida and New Jersey. And
> you hold the FCC responsible for that?
>
>
>
> > William,
> >
> > You are missing the point, just like many people.... The
> > core of the problem is the FCC. If the FCC diden't sway
> > toward any one org, then, the FCC would be for the people,
>
> > or "Do the right thing".
> >
> > Now, i'm not going to debate with you or anyone else. The
>
> > fact is, if the FCC wants to see community radio, It would
>
> > happen. It hasen't and I do not see it happening within my
>
> > life time. FCC watch groups, Citizens signing petitions,
> FCC
> > getting comments.... Bull... All the FCC has to do is make
>
> > it happen. Period!... never mind the NAB, Never mind the
> > various unions, groups, and such.
> > civil disobedience is whats needed now... Revolution...
> >
> > I think most of us feel if the FCC diden't listen to the
> > beasts, then, Community radio, and other broadcasting
> > licenses would be easy to obtain.
> >
> > That's my opinion.... Take it or not.. No debating, or
> > discussion....
> >
> > Think about that.

Actually I think Bill-B makes a good point.

The FCC has so badly managed the AM/FM bands for so long, that some type of civil disobedience is justified.

Case in point: Los Angeles' Mighty 690. For decades it was one of the top AM stations in LA, with local programming, local DJ's. Then Texas-based Clear Channel bought it and turned it into a voice-tracked satellator. Now Clear Channel is selling it to a Spain-based corporation who is going to turn it into yet another Spanish language station.

So LA's 690 AM channel starts out as a local O&O, then gets sold to an out-of-state corporation, who, in turn, sells it to a foreign corporation not even in the same hemisphere. And this whole transaction takes place under the benign gaze of the FCC with the people of LA, for the most part, unaware that they are losing their frequency(after all, don't the airwaves really belong to the public?) to a foreign interest. And what's sad is that this is not an isolated incident.

As far as I'm concerned, the FCC, regardless of the NAB's influence, has much to answer for. The public taking back their airwaves (by any means necessary) is a beginning.

db
 
Re: radio free brattleboro: I think all of you are missing the point.

> > No debating the issue? Then why bother to post this topic
>
> > on the board? Your "opinions" are off base and out of
> touch
> > with reality.
> >
> > Licensed LPFM is community radio. Part 15 broadcasting is
>
> > community radio. Licensed LPAM (if approved) will be
> > community radio.
> >
> > All I see is that we can lose legal unlicensed
> broadcasting
> > in rogue states that choose not to respect Federal law
> which
> > usurps State and Local laws. The FCC is not responsible
> for
> > that. It is NOT the FCC trying to take away unlicensed
> > broadcasting but states like Florida and New Jersey. And
> > you hold the FCC responsible for that?
> >
> >
> >
> > > William,
> > >
> > > You are missing the point, just like many people....
> The
> > > core of the problem is the FCC. If the FCC diden't sway
> > > toward any one org, then, the FCC would be for the
> people,
> >
> > > or "Do the right thing".
> > >
> > > Now, i'm not going to debate with you or anyone else.
> The
> >
> > > fact is, if the FCC wants to see community radio, It
> would
> >
> > > happen. It hasen't and I do not see it happening within
> my
> >
> > > life time. FCC watch groups, Citizens signing petitions,
>
> > FCC
> > > getting comments.... Bull... All the FCC has to do is
> make
> >
> > > it happen. Period!... never mind the NAB, Never mind the
>
> > > various unions, groups, and such.
> > > civil disobedience is whats needed now... Revolution...
>
> > >
> > > I think most of us feel if the FCC diden't listen to
> the
> > > beasts, then, Community radio, and other broadcasting
> > > licenses would be easy to obtain.
> > >
> > > That's my opinion.... Take it or not.. No debating, or
> > > discussion....
> > >
> > > Think about that.
>
> Actually I think Bill-B makes a good point.
>
> The FCC has so badly managed the AM/FM bands for so long,
> that some type of civil disobedience is justified.
>
> Case in point: Los Angeles' Mighty 690. For decades it was
> one of the top AM stations in LA, with local programming,
> local DJ's. Then Texas-based Clear Channel bought it and
> turned it into a voice-tracked satellator. Now Clear
> Channel is selling it to a Spain-based corporation who is
> going to turn it into yet another Spanish language station.
>
> So LA's 690 AM channel starts out as a local O&O, then gets
> sold to an out-of-state corporation, who, in turn, sells it
> to a foreign corporation not even in the same hemisphere.
> And this whole transaction takes place under the benign gaze
> of the FCC with the people of LA, for the most part, unaware
> that they are losing their frequency(after all, don't the
> airwaves really belong to the public?) to a foreign
> interest. And what's sad is that this is not an isolated
> incident.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, the FCC, regardless of the NAB's
> influence, has much to answer for. The public taking back
> their airwaves (by any means necessary) is a beginning.


Bravo! Bravo! Someone has the idea!!!!!! Anyone for tea? (but that's another issue alltogether)

>
> db
>
 
Re: radio free brattleboro: I think all of you are missing the point.

***I fully understand Bill's point and it applies in a perfect world. However this is far from a perfect world and the legislation that we seen being passed in FLA and pending in New Jersey is hardly an asset to unlicensed broadcasting. If you understand anything about lawyers and the law then you'll see this act of civil disobedience by the states could lead to bans of unlicensed broadcasting that is presently legal just because a state says "we think all forms of unlicensed broadcasting should be illegal regardless of the FCC's rules".

Bill's comment that the FCC does not permit community radio borders on the ludicrous. That's like saying a Leopard has no spots. It ain't true. Has the FCC mismanaged the airwaves? YES. I agree with that statement and I believe most everyone can honestly say they have bungled a variety of issues like translators, LPFM, short spacing etc.

It is one thing for a private individual to engage in acts of civil disobedience but another entirely when a government engages in it. This country would not have been founded if it were not for the likes of the Bawston Tea Party, Concord and Bawston Common. Other changes to bad laws would also not have been corrected if people did not take a stand.

What you both fail to understand is that our government, regardless of the level, has a legal and moral obligation to uphold the law, not break it. And that means a local or state government should not be usurping Federal laws simply because they don't like the results the Federal law has produced.

Let me refresh both of you and the others that read this about how serious this really is. Do you recall the problems I had with the local government in Medina, NY? They literally made up laws and expected me to follow them even though they contradicted State and Federal Labor laws and those of the FCC. Why do you think I pulled the plug on my station? Not because of the FCC or the local people that volunteered or the listeners we had. It was a ROGUE local government that showed BLATANT disregard for Federal and State laws that led to the demise of my station. When some jerk called the FCC to complain about my station the FCC said they were not going to do ANYTHING about it.

Since that time I have talked to other communities about siting my station and another one in NY has a City government with a similar mindset. During the information gathering stage I was informed that they would impose restrictions upon my station either as a business or hobby simply because they want control over it. Again, virtually ALL of these supposed local laws or regulations are in direct CONFLICT with the FCC's rules governing unlicensed broadcasting.

Now do you see where I am going with this? If FLA is allowed to get away with this then other states are sure to follow suit and OUTLAW ALL FORMS OF UNLICENSED BROADCASTING INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE LEGAL! And in other states it may continue to be legal to run a part 15 station because the local and state governments will follow the rule of law and not attempt to overthrow it to suit their own needs. But in the long run do these results really help community broadcasting? Absolutely not. It will be legal in one state to run an unlicensed station while in others it will not, even if at present, the FCC permits you to stay on the air.

I'm sorry but it is you guys that just don't understand the situation. In summation: Yes, the FCC has fouled up a lot of things but that does not give states the legal right to set their own rules governing the airwaves. Only anarchists would appreciate such a scenario because in the end it could very well topple the airwaves as we know it and eliminate community broadcasting entirely.



> > > No debating the issue? Then why bother to post this
> topic
> >
> > > on the board? Your "opinions" are off base and out of
> > touch
> > > with reality.
> > >
> > > Licensed LPFM is community radio. Part 15 broadcasting
> is
> >
> > > community radio. Licensed LPAM (if approved) will be
> > > community radio.
> > >
> > > All I see is that we can lose legal unlicensed
> > broadcasting
> > > in rogue states that choose not to respect Federal law
> > which
> > > usurps State and Local laws. The FCC is not responsible
>
> > for
> > > that. It is NOT the FCC trying to take away unlicensed
> > > broadcasting but states like Florida and New Jersey.
> And
> > > you hold the FCC responsible for that?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > William,
> > > >
> > > > You are missing the point, just like many people....
> > The
> > > > core of the problem is the FCC. If the FCC diden't
> sway
> > > > toward any one org, then, the FCC would be for the
> > people,
> > >
> > > > or "Do the right thing".
> > > >
> > > > Now, i'm not going to debate with you or anyone else.
>
> > The
> > >
> > > > fact is, if the FCC wants to see community radio, It
> > would
> > >
> > > > happen. It hasen't and I do not see it happening
> within
> > my
> > >
> > > > life time. FCC watch groups, Citizens signing
> petitions,
> >
> > > FCC
> > > > getting comments.... Bull... All the FCC has to do is
> > make
> > >
> > > > it happen. Period!... never mind the NAB, Never mind
> the
> >
> > > > various unions, groups, and such.
> > > > civil disobedience is whats needed now...
> Revolution...
> >
> > > >
> > > > I think most of us feel if the FCC diden't listen to
> > the
> > > > beasts, then, Community radio, and other broadcasting
> > > > licenses would be easy to obtain.
> > > >
> > > > That's my opinion.... Take it or not.. No debating,
> or
> > > > discussion....
> > > >
> > > > Think about that.
> >
> > Actually I think Bill-B makes a good point.
> >
> > The FCC has so badly managed the AM/FM bands for so long,
> > that some type of civil disobedience is justified.
> >
> > Case in point: Los Angeles' Mighty 690. For decades it
> was
> > one of the top AM stations in LA, with local programming,
> > local DJ's. Then Texas-based Clear Channel bought it and
> > turned it into a voice-tracked satellator. Now Clear
> > Channel is selling it to a Spain-based corporation who is
> > going to turn it into yet another Spanish language
> station.
> >
> > So LA's 690 AM channel starts out as a local O&O, then
> gets
> > sold to an out-of-state corporation, who, in turn, sells
> it
> > to a foreign corporation not even in the same hemisphere.
> > And this whole transaction takes place under the benign
> gaze
> > of the FCC with the people of LA, for the most part,
> unaware
> > that they are losing their frequency(after all, don't the
> > airwaves really belong to the public?) to a foreign
> > interest. And what's sad is that this is not an isolated
> > incident.
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, the FCC, regardless of the NAB's
> > influence, has much to answer for. The public taking back
> > their airwaves (by any means necessary) is a beginning.
>
>
> Bravo! Bravo! Someone has the idea!!!!!! Anyone for tea?
> (but that's another issue alltogether)
>
> >
> > db
> >
>
 
Re: P.S.

I should also add that when one form of government does not uphold the law that either it or another form of government has legislated it can be construed as "corruption". Surely you both don't support a corrupt government.

In addition, we have been over this issue before Bill but to be honest simply whining about it on this board is not going to accomplish anything. If you are that angry about it then why not do something about it?

I have been involved with community broadcasting for decades. It started out as a hobby while I was in high school in the late 1970's and I've been involved ever since. I too don't like the way the system has worked to push out Mom and Pop broadcasters or local non profit's at the expense of NPR and Corporate America therefore I AM DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

For years I have played an ACTIVE role in the development of licensed LPFM, LPAM and Part 15 AM unlicensed broadcasting. I have recruited others to work on these projects and together we have achieved some success. There are others that have also taken a leadership role in LPFM and played a more prominent role than I in the creation of LPFM and they too are to be applauded for trying to fix a system that is not working right.

Over the last decade the FCC has slowly relaxed part 15 rules allowing for more part 15 stations to get on the air with better tranmsitters. LPFM was created to keep the "Granola" type people happy. Granolas don't like commercial radio.

Now commercial LPAM is a possibility and we are working toward the realization of this goal that will allow entrepreneurs and indivuals an opportunity to run a legal, licensed, commercial AM station with a few mile radius to serve new niche markets and offer Mom and Pop businesses that cannot afford the advertising rates on big stations to grow their business on LPAM.

Anyone out there that wants to continue to cry about the "big, bad, FCC" may do so. But instead of simply whining about the problem why not try to do something about it. Put your money where you mouth is and do something to help yourselves and others.

The government is a big, bloated beauracrasy and it takes years to get things done. But I've outlined some of the positive results that have been achieved over the last ten years and I hope that ten years from now licensed, commercial LPAM will be a past achievement. Then we'll be setting our sights on more community radio projects.
 
Re: P.S.

William, William, William....

LPAM won't happen.... The FCC won't stop the states, and in reality, you and I will be dead before anything happens with LPAM anything.... face the frequency. Corruption, and Control is what "Thay" want.

Nothing will happen in our life time.... We are fed up. Thats the bottom line, Waiting, Waiting, Waiting.... It's all Bull.... Your wasting you time, and so is all the citizens orgs for community radio. And IBOC... So, what about IBOC with community broadcasting? Another issue that would take even more years to figure out with the FCC and community or un-licenses broadcasting.

I was involved in radio since you were in diapers. I had a pirate in my early teens, and I was on for 8 years, they knew I was there, and they diden't care, and so did stations in Philadelphia. hell, I even worked for stations in engineering while I was pirating... and the Chief Engineers knew I was pirating.
Many Chiefs are pissed too!. FCC taking away the Chief Engineer requirement, dropping the First Class License.... That put a lot of people out of a jobs.

William, Bursting your bubble... Revolutionary actions are requirered now. Weather that be directly taking the FCC to court, or local governments to court. But whom has that kind of money or even time? These guyes ARE doing something, and I tip my hat to them. I hope they win the case. If they do, You can bet I will also look into firing up a 10 watter ON FM!!!!!

Na, this is my last post. You won't convince me, and I probally won't convince you. Nothing is happening, with doing it "legally". and it won't.












> I should also add that when one form of government does not
> uphold the law that either it or another form of government
> has legislated it can be construed as "corruption". Surely
> you both don't support a corrupt government.
>
> In addition, we have been over this issue before Bill but to
> be honest simply whining about it on this board is not going
> to accomplish anything. If you are that angry about it then
> why not do something about it?
>
> I have been involved with community broadcasting for
> decades. It started out as a hobby while I was in high
> school in the late 1970's and I've been involved ever since.
> I too don't like the way the system has worked to push out
> Mom and Pop broadcasters or local non profit's at the
> expense of NPR and Corporate America therefore I AM DOING
> SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
>
> For years I have played an ACTIVE role in the development of
> licensed LPFM, LPAM and Part 15 AM unlicensed broadcasting.
> I have recruited others to work on these projects and
> together we have achieved some success. There are others
> that have also taken a leadership role in LPFM and played a
> more prominent role than I in the creation of LPFM and they
> too are to be applauded for trying to fix a system that is
> not working right.
>
> Over the last decade the FCC has slowly relaxed part 15
> rules allowing for more part 15 stations to get on the air
> with better tranmsitters. LPFM was created to keep the
> "Granola" type people happy. Granolas don't like commercial
> radio.
>
> Now commercial LPAM is a possibility and we are working
> toward the realization of this goal that will allow
> entrepreneurs and indivuals an opportunity to run a legal,
> licensed, commercial AM station with a few mile radius to
> serve new niche markets and offer Mom and Pop businesses
> that cannot afford the advertising rates on big stations to
> grow their business on LPAM.
>
> Anyone out there that wants to continue to cry about the
> "big, bad, FCC" may do so. But instead of simply whining
> about the problem why not try to do something about it. Put
> your money where you mouth is and do something to help
> yourselves and others.
>
> The government is a big, bloated beauracrasy and it takes
> years to get things done. But I've outlined some of the
> positive results that have been achieved over the last ten
> years and I hope that ten years from now licensed,
> commercial LPAM will be a past achievement. Then we'll be
> setting our sights on more community radio projects.
>
 
Re: P.S.

Bill, Bill, Bill...

You are overwhelmingly negative with a defeatist attitude. Yes, with that attitude things will never change because you live in a world of self fulfilling prophecy. I sincerely hope that your attitude does not rub off on the people that read your messages.

I am willing to bet that you were also one of the people that thought LPFM could not happen. Well it did happen. Can LPAM happen? Yes, if we do our homework and get a groundswell of support from key people just like LPFM then of course it will happen. Since we are only looking at putting stations in the expanded band (which is hardly over populated) and there are no special short spacing rules being asked for it is entirely possible we can get this approved within a few years.

The FCC hardly wants to lose control of the airwaves to state law. For starters it is illegal and second it will put an end to a lot of community stations that presently broadcast.

When you say "These guyes ARE doing something, and I tip my hat to them. I hope they win the case. If they do, You can bet I will also look into firing up a 10 watter ON FM!!!!!" I really have to laugh. I presume you are talking about Radio Free Brattleboro in Vermont. Well, I hate to BURST YOUR BUBBLE because you clearly DO NOT understand the law and how it applies in this case. This case, if judged in favor of RFB, would allow them to stay on the air in Brattleboro, Vermont. And because a Judge has disregarded Federal law and created a local law that conflicts with a Federal law it will allow other states or cities to create their own broadcast laws. At one time the states did govern "intrastate" broadcasting but that was overturned in the 1930's when the FCC was created and laid claim to governing ALL broadcasts in the United States.

You can fire up your little 10 watt transmitter in New Jersey if you wish but that law in Vermont will not have ANY muscle outside of that state and more likely if I recall, it is limited to the City of Brattleboro. In fact if you try to do that in New Jersey, once this bill is passed into law, you will be committing a Felony and you will face a fine up to 10 grand and imprisonment up to 18 months. http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2004/Bills/A3500/3082_I1.HTM You better pray the FLA law is overturned otherwise you won't see any more unlicensed broadcasting in New Jersey. Right now under the FCC you simply get an NAL and then go through the process of deciding whether to fight them or turn it off. If NJ enacts this law you'll be going to jail.

Clearly, you really don't understand the ramifications involved with the undermining of the FCC's ability to govern the airwaves. You speak from the heart but your opinions are not grounded entirely in fact or reality or with an understanding of how law works in this country.

What I see is an incredibly bitter man who is so angry about what happened to him that he wants to see others suffer in the same manner as he. Sad...



> William, William, William....
>
> LPAM won't happen.... The FCC won't stop the states, and in
> reality, you and I will be dead before anything happens with
> LPAM anything.... face the frequency. Corruption, and
> Control is what "Thay" want.
>
> Nothing will happen in our life time.... We are fed up.
> Thats the bottom line, Waiting, Waiting, Waiting.... It's
> all Bull.... Your wasting you time, and so is all the
> citizens orgs for community radio. And IBOC... So, what
> about IBOC with community broadcasting? Another issue that
> would take even more years to figure out with the FCC and
> community or un-licenses broadcasting.
>
> I was involved in radio since you were in diapers. I had a
> pirate in my early teens, and I was on for 8 years, they
> knew I was there, and they diden't care, and so did stations
> in Philadelphia. hell, I even worked for stations in
> engineering while I was pirating... and the Chief Engineers
> knew I was pirating.
> Many Chiefs are pissed too!. FCC taking away the Chief
> Engineer requirement, dropping the First Class License....
> That put a lot of people out of a jobs.
>
> William, Bursting your bubble... Revolutionary actions are
> requirered now. Weather that be directly taking the FCC to
> court, or local governments to court. But whom has that kind
> of money or even time? These guyes ARE doing something, and
> I tip my hat to them. I hope they win the case. If they do,
> You can bet I will also look into firing up a 10 watter ON
> FM!!!!!
>
> Na, this is my last post. You won't convince me, and I
> probally won't convince you. Nothing is happening, with
> doing it "legally". and it won't.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I should also add that when one form of government does
> not
> > uphold the law that either it or another form of
> government
> > has legislated it can be construed as "corruption".
> Surely
> > you both don't support a corrupt government.
> >
> > In addition, we have been over this issue before Bill but
> to
> > be honest simply whining about it on this board is not
> going
> > to accomplish anything. If you are that angry about it
> then
> > why not do something about it?
> >
> > I have been involved with community broadcasting for
> > decades. It started out as a hobby while I was in high
> > school in the late 1970's and I've been involved ever
> since.
> > I too don't like the way the system has worked to push
> out
> > Mom and Pop broadcasters or local non profit's at the
> > expense of NPR and Corporate America therefore I AM DOING
> > SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
> >
> > For years I have played an ACTIVE role in the development
> of
> > licensed LPFM, LPAM and Part 15 AM unlicensed
> broadcasting.
> > I have recruited others to work on these projects and
> > together we have achieved some success. There are others
> > that have also taken a leadership role in LPFM and played
> a
> > more prominent role than I in the creation of LPFM and
> they
> > too are to be applauded for trying to fix a system that is
>
> > not working right.
> >
> > Over the last decade the FCC has slowly relaxed part 15
> > rules allowing for more part 15 stations to get on the air
>
> > with better tranmsitters. LPFM was created to keep the
> > "Granola" type people happy. Granolas don't like
> commercial
> > radio.
> >
> > Now commercial LPAM is a possibility and we are working
> > toward the realization of this goal that will allow
> > entrepreneurs and indivuals an opportunity to run a legal,
>
> > licensed, commercial AM station with a few mile radius to
> > serve new niche markets and offer Mom and Pop businesses
> > that cannot afford the advertising rates on big stations
> to
> > grow their business on LPAM.
> >
> > Anyone out there that wants to continue to cry about the
> > "big, bad, FCC" may do so. But instead of simply whining
> > about the problem why not try to do something about it.
> Put
> > your money where you mouth is and do something to help
> > yourselves and others.
> >
> > The government is a big, bloated beauracrasy and it takes
> > years to get things done. But I've outlined some of the
> > positive results that have been achieved over the last ten
>
> > years and I hope that ten years from now licensed,
> > commercial LPAM will be a past achievement. Then we'll be
>
> > setting our sights on more community radio projects.
> >
>
 
Re: P.S.

So now you are saying that my part 15 was not legal.. It was, I have the engineering certifications to prove it, and the FCC has a copy of them. I sold it because I wanted to sell it. I was time for me to move on.

now, you, on the otherhand don't understand that all the work your doing is most likely going to pot.... I am saying, if the FCC wants it to happen it will.... No Bull carp about it.... It's time the citizens of this land diden't take "wait" for an answer. LPAM, LPFM, PART 15, Whatever... We will all be dead before anything not now allowed becomes legal.

Why should we wait? Havent we waited long enough? Havent we commented to the FCC enough?... I say, enough is enough!.. It's time for the FCC to stop waiting us to death, and get their asses in gear!

Now, what ever you post in your next message I will not comment.. I had enough... Simply our views on this subject is deffently different... I will not try to convince you, I am simply stating my opinion, be is as it may... It's good to see someone fighting, at least in a revoultionary fashion... You, your fighting a battle that will rage on through your lefttime.

you can't broadcast from heaven.... But then, I suppose it won't matter at that point will it?











> Bill, Bill, Bill...
>
> You are overwhelmingly negative with a defeatist attitude.
> Yes, with that attitude things will never change because you
> live in a world of self fulfilling prophecy. I sincerely
> hope that your attitude does not rub off on the people that
> read your messages.
>
> I am willing to bet that you were also one of the people
> that thought LPFM could not happen. Well it did happen.
> Can LPAM happen? Yes, if we do our homework and get a
> groundswell of support from key people just like LPFM then
> of course it will happen. Since we are only looking at
> putting stations in the expanded band (which is hardly over
> populated) and there are no special short spacing rules
> being asked for it is entirely possible we can get this
> approved within a few years.
>
> The FCC hardly wants to lose control of the airwaves to
> state law. For starters it is illegal and second it will
> put an end to a lot of community stations that presently
> broadcast.
>
> When you say "These guyes ARE doing something, and I tip my
> hat to them. I hope they win the case. If they do, You can
> bet I will also look into firing up a 10 watter ON FM!!!!!"
> I really have to laugh. I presume you are talking about
> Radio Free Brattleboro in Vermont. Well, I hate to BURST
> YOUR BUBBLE because you clearly DO NOT understand the law
> and how it applies in this case. This case, if judged in
> favor of RFB, would allow them to stay on the air in
> Brattleboro, Vermont. And because a Judge has disregarded
> Federal law and created a local law that conflicts with a
> Federal law it will allow other states or cities to create
> their own broadcast laws. At one time the states did govern
> "intrastate" broadcasting but that was overturned in the
> 1930's when the FCC was created and laid claim to governing
> ALL broadcasts in the United States.
>
> You can fire up your little 10 watt transmitter in New
> Jersey if you wish but that law in Vermont will not have ANY
> muscle outside of that state and more likely if I recall, it
> is limited to the City of Brattleboro. In fact if you try
> to do that in New Jersey, once this bill is passed into law,
> you will be committing a Felony and you will face a fine up
> to 10 grand and imprisonment up to 18 months.
> http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2004/Bills/A3500/3082_I1.HTM
> You better pray the FLA law is overturned otherwise you
> won't see any more unlicensed broadcasting in New Jersey.
> Right now under the FCC you simply get an NAL and then go
> through the process of deciding whether to fight them or
> turn it off. If NJ enacts this law you'll be going to jail.
>
>
> Clearly, you really don't understand the ramifications
> involved with the undermining of the FCC's ability to govern
> the airwaves. You speak from the heart but your opinions
> are not grounded entirely in fact or reality or with an
> understanding of how law works in this country.
>
> What I see is an incredibly bitter man who is so angry about
> what happened to him that he wants to see others suffer in
> the same manner as he. Sad...
>
>
>
> > William, William, William....
> >
> > LPAM won't happen.... The FCC won't stop the states, and
> in
> > reality, you and I will be dead before anything happens
> with
> > LPAM anything.... face the frequency. Corruption, and
> > Control is what "Thay" want.
> >
> > Nothing will happen in our life time.... We are fed up.
> > Thats the bottom line, Waiting, Waiting, Waiting.... It's
> > all Bull.... Your wasting you time, and so is all the
> > citizens orgs for community radio. And IBOC... So, what
> > about IBOC with community broadcasting? Another issue that
>
> > would take even more years to figure out with the FCC and
> > community or un-licenses broadcasting.
> >
> > I was involved in radio since you were in diapers. I had
> a
> > pirate in my early teens, and I was on for 8 years, they
> > knew I was there, and they diden't care, and so did
> stations
> > in Philadelphia. hell, I even worked for stations in
> > engineering while I was pirating... and the Chief
> Engineers
> > knew I was pirating.
> > Many Chiefs are pissed too!. FCC taking away the Chief
> > Engineer requirement, dropping the First Class License....
>
> > That put a lot of people out of a jobs.
> >
> > William, Bursting your bubble... Revolutionary actions
> are
> > requirered now. Weather that be directly taking the FCC to
>
> > court, or local governments to court. But whom has that
> kind
> > of money or even time? These guyes ARE doing something,
> and
> > I tip my hat to them. I hope they win the case. If they
> do,
> > You can bet I will also look into firing up a 10 watter ON
>
> > FM!!!!!
> >
> > Na, this is my last post. You won't convince me, and I
> > probally won't convince you. Nothing is happening, with
> > doing it "legally". and it won't.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I should also add that when one form of government does
>
> > not
> > > uphold the law that either it or another form of
> > government
> > > has legislated it can be construed as "corruption".
> > Surely
> > > you both don't support a corrupt government.
> > >
> > > In addition, we have been over this issue before Bill
> but
> > to
> > > be honest simply whining about it on this board is not
> > going
> > > to accomplish anything. If you are that angry about it
> > then
> > > why not do something about it?
> > >
> > > I have been involved with community broadcasting for
> > > decades. It started out as a hobby while I was in high
> > > school in the late 1970's and I've been involved ever
> > since.
> > > I too don't like the way the system has worked to push
> > out
> > > Mom and Pop broadcasters or local non profit's at the
> > > expense of NPR and Corporate America therefore I AM
> DOING
> > > SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
> > >
> > > For years I have played an ACTIVE role in the
> development
> > of
> > > licensed LPFM, LPAM and Part 15 AM unlicensed
> > broadcasting.
> > > I have recruited others to work on these projects and
> > > together we have achieved some success. There are
> others
> > > that have also taken a leadership role in LPFM and
> played
> > a
> > > more prominent role than I in the creation of LPFM and
> > they
> > > too are to be applauded for trying to fix a system that
> is
> >
> > > not working right.
> > >
> > > Over the last decade the FCC has slowly relaxed part 15
> > > rules allowing for more part 15 stations to get on the
> air
> >
> > > with better tranmsitters. LPFM was created to keep the
> > > "Granola" type people happy. Granolas don't like
> > commercial
> > > radio.
> > >
> > > Now commercial LPAM is a possibility and we are working
> > > toward the realization of this goal that will allow
> > > entrepreneurs and indivuals an opportunity to run a
> legal,
> >
> > > licensed, commercial AM station with a few mile radius
> to
> > > serve new niche markets and offer Mom and Pop businesses
>
> > > that cannot afford the advertising rates on big stations
>
> > to
> > > grow their business on LPAM.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there that wants to continue to cry about the
>
> > > "big, bad, FCC" may do so. But instead of simply
> whining
> > > about the problem why not try to do something about it.
>
> > Put
> > > your money where you mouth is and do something to help
> > > yourselves and others.
> > >
> > > The government is a big, bloated beauracrasy and it
> takes
> > > years to get things done. But I've outlined some of the
>
> > > positive results that have been achieved over the last
> ten
> >
> > > years and I hope that ten years from now licensed,
> > > commercial LPAM will be a past achievement. Then we'll
> be
> >
> > > setting our sights on more community radio projects.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: P.S.

***My replies are interspersed.

> So now you are saying that my part 15 was not legal.. It
> was, I have the engineering certifications to prove it, and
> the FCC has a copy of them. I sold it because I wanted to
> sell it. I was time for me to move on.

***Huh? Here are your own words, "These guyes ARE doing something, and I tip my hat to them. I hope they win the case. If they do, You can bet I will also look into firing up a 10 watter ON FM!!!!!". Since you don't make any reference to obtaining a licensed 10 watt station I have to presume you are talking about starting up your own unlicensed 10 watt station if Radio Free Brattleboro receives approval from the Judge to continue broadcasting. That CLEARLY is the message you are stating here.

And where do I even address your part 15 station? Have you been nipping at the cooking Sherry prior to posting these messages? Honestly, you sound like you are an acid casualty!

You appear to be out in left field here and apparently you don't recall your own statements or the context in which they were made.

>
> now, you, on the otherhand don't understand that all the
> work your doing is most likely going to pot.... I am saying,
> if the FCC wants it to happen it will.... No Bull carp about
> it.... It's time the citizens of this land diden't take
> "wait" for an answer. LPAM, LPFM, PART 15, Whatever... We
> will all be dead before anything not now allowed becomes
> legal.

***Most of your comments on this string have been assinine starting with the one that we don't even have community broadcasting in this country.

Oh ye of little faith you hardly sound like an American citizen. You indictated that a revolution was in order to change things. Have you considered organizing one?

If all my work were going to pot I'd be a rich man.:) Seriously, I tend to look at the glass as being half full. We got LPFM even if it was not the combined commercial and non commercial service that many of us wished for.

Part 15 broadcasting has been growing exponentially since I first got active in promoting it some 8 years ago. I am pleased to know that I've helped a lot of people to get on the air with their own stations regardless of whether or not they purchased a transmitter. I call that having a positive influence on others and the result that was achieved made me very happy even if it did not result in a sale.

Maybe all this work to develop licensed LPAM is a waste but you never know until you try. At least I will go down fighting for what I believe in. I won't become a coward and quit or simply turn a blind eye to serious issues like the majority of the very shallow, ignorant American public.

>
> Why should we wait? Havent we waited long enough? Havent we
> commented to the FCC enough?... I say, enough is enough!..
> It's time for the FCC to stop waiting us to death, and get
> their asses in gear!

***Now you sound like a two bit dictator. Yes, the bureacratic red tape is frustrating at times and I too wish things would speed along at a better clip. But if you had ANY understanding of how the legal and political process works in this country you'd understand why it sometimes takes many years to achieve meaningful change.

Our Founding Fathers creating a system of checks and balances that would make it difficult to centralize too much power into the hands of any one government or individual. This is why it sometimes takes years to accomplish what would seemingly be an easy project to quickly develop and have the desired result in a matter of months.

Whether you like it or not the FCC is undermanned across the board. Right now the LPFM vs. Translator issue is taking up a lot of their time. When that is over and done then they could act on LPAM as long as we don't see any more serious issues suddenly crop up.

>
> Now, what ever you post in your next message I will not
> comment.. I had enough... Simply our views on this subject
> is deffently different... I will not try to convince you, I
> am simply stating my opinion, be is as it may... It's good
> to see someone fighting, at least in a revoultionary
> fashion... You, your fighting a battle that will rage on
> through your lefttime.

***This is the third time you've said you will not respond to my reply. Why then do you persist? My only interest here is to correct the serious flaws contained in your opinions on this issue.

I've been a fighter since the day I was born. I don't give up. This is why the Marines were recruiting me when I was 16 years old. Sometimes I do have to take a step backwards or make a lateral move to redirect myself to lead to the ultimate goal. But do I quit? No.

>
> you can't broadcast from heaven.... But then, I suppose it
> won't matter at that point will it?

***You are on your way to a stroke or a heart attack at the very least. You are one of the most negative and bitter people I've ever encountered.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bill, Bill, Bill...
> >
> > You are overwhelmingly negative with a defeatist attitude.
>
> > Yes, with that attitude things will never change because
> you
> > live in a world of self fulfilling prophecy. I sincerely
> > hope that your attitude does not rub off on the people
> that
> > read your messages.
> >
> > I am willing to bet that you were also one of the people
> > that thought LPFM could not happen. Well it did happen.
> > Can LPAM happen? Yes, if we do our homework and get a
> > groundswell of support from key people just like LPFM then
>
> > of course it will happen. Since we are only looking at
> > putting stations in the expanded band (which is hardly
> over
> > populated) and there are no special short spacing rules
> > being asked for it is entirely possible we can get this
> > approved within a few years.
> >
> > The FCC hardly wants to lose control of the airwaves to
> > state law. For starters it is illegal and second it will
> > put an end to a lot of community stations that presently
> > broadcast.
> >
> > When you say "These guyes ARE doing something, and I tip
> my
> > hat to them. I hope they win the case. If they do, You can
>
> > bet I will also look into firing up a 10 watter ON
> FM!!!!!"
> > I really have to laugh. I presume you are talking about
> > Radio Free Brattleboro in Vermont. Well, I hate to BURST
> > YOUR BUBBLE because you clearly DO NOT understand the law
> > and how it applies in this case. This case, if judged in
> > favor of RFB, would allow them to stay on the air in
> > Brattleboro, Vermont. And because a Judge has disregarded
>
> > Federal law and created a local law that conflicts with a
> > Federal law it will allow other states or cities to create
>
> > their own broadcast laws. At one time the states did
> govern
> > "intrastate" broadcasting but that was overturned in the
> > 1930's when the FCC was created and laid claim to
> governing
> > ALL broadcasts in the United States.
> >
> > You can fire up your little 10 watt transmitter in New
> > Jersey if you wish but that law in Vermont will not have
> ANY
> > muscle outside of that state and more likely if I recall,
> it
> > is limited to the City of Brattleboro. In fact if you try
>
> > to do that in New Jersey, once this bill is passed into
> law,
> > you will be committing a Felony and you will face a fine
> up
> > to 10 grand and imprisonment up to 18 months.
> > http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2004/Bills/A3500/3082_I1.HTM
>
> > You better pray the FLA law is overturned otherwise you
> > won't see any more unlicensed broadcasting in New Jersey.
> > Right now under the FCC you simply get an NAL and then go
> > through the process of deciding whether to fight them or
> > turn it off. If NJ enacts this law you'll be going to
> jail.
> >
> >
> > Clearly, you really don't understand the ramifications
> > involved with the undermining of the FCC's ability to
> govern
> > the airwaves. You speak from the heart but your opinions
> > are not grounded entirely in fact or reality or with an
> > understanding of how law works in this country.
> >
> > What I see is an incredibly bitter man who is so angry
> about
> > what happened to him that he wants to see others suffer in
>
> > the same manner as he. Sad...
> >
> >
> >
> > > William, William, William....
> > >
> > > LPAM won't happen.... The FCC won't stop the states,
> and
> > in
> > > reality, you and I will be dead before anything happens
> > with
> > > LPAM anything.... face the frequency. Corruption, and
> > > Control is what "Thay" want.
> > >
> > > Nothing will happen in our life time.... We are fed up.
>
> > > Thats the bottom line, Waiting, Waiting, Waiting....
> It's
> > > all Bull.... Your wasting you time, and so is all the
> > > citizens orgs for community radio. And IBOC... So, what
> > > about IBOC with community broadcasting? Another issue
> that
> >
> > > would take even more years to figure out with the FCC
> and
> > > community or un-licenses broadcasting.
> > >
> > > I was involved in radio since you were in diapers. I
> had
> > a
> > > pirate in my early teens, and I was on for 8 years, they
>
> > > knew I was there, and they diden't care, and so did
> > stations
> > > in Philadelphia. hell, I even worked for stations in
> > > engineering while I was pirating... and the Chief
> > Engineers
> > > knew I was pirating.
> > > Many Chiefs are pissed too!. FCC taking away the Chief
> > > Engineer requirement, dropping the First Class
> License....
> >
> > > That put a lot of people out of a jobs.
> > >
> > > William, Bursting your bubble... Revolutionary actions
> > are
> > > requirered now. Weather that be directly taking the FCC
> to
> >
> > > court, or local governments to court. But whom has that
> > kind
> > > of money or even time? These guyes ARE doing something,
> > and
> > > I tip my hat to them. I hope they win the case. If they
> > do,
> > > You can bet I will also look into firing up a 10 watter
> ON
> >
> > > FM!!!!!
> > >
> > > Na, this is my last post. You won't convince me, and I
> > > probally won't convince you. Nothing is happening, with
> > > doing it "legally". and it won't.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should also add that when one form of government
> does
> >
> > > not
> > > > uphold the law that either it or another form of
> > > government
> > > > has legislated it can be construed as "corruption".
> > > Surely
> > > > you both don't support a corrupt government.
> > > >
> > > > In addition, we have been over this issue before Bill
> > but
> > > to
> > > > be honest simply whining about it on this board is not
>
> > > going
> > > > to accomplish anything. If you are that angry about
> it
> > > then
> > > > why not do something about it?
> > > >
> > > > I have been involved with community broadcasting for
> > > > decades. It started out as a hobby while I was in
> high
> > > > school in the late 1970's and I've been involved ever
> > > since.
> > > > I too don't like the way the system has worked to
> push
> > > out
> > > > Mom and Pop broadcasters or local non profit's at the
> > > > expense of NPR and Corporate America therefore I AM
> > DOING
> > > > SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
> > > >
> > > > For years I have played an ACTIVE role in the
> > development
> > > of
> > > > licensed LPFM, LPAM and Part 15 AM unlicensed
> > > broadcasting.
> > > > I have recruited others to work on these projects and
> > > > together we have achieved some success. There are
> > others
> > > > that have also taken a leadership role in LPFM and
> > played
> > > a
> > > > more prominent role than I in the creation of LPFM and
>
> > > they
> > > > too are to be applauded for trying to fix a system
> that
> > is
> > >
> > > > not working right.
> > > >
> > > > Over the last decade the FCC has slowly relaxed part
> 15
> > > > rules allowing for more part 15 stations to get on the
>
> > air
> > >
> > > > with better tranmsitters. LPFM was created to keep
> the
> > > > "Granola" type people happy. Granolas don't like
> > > commercial
> > > > radio.
> > > >
> > > > Now commercial LPAM is a possibility and we are
> working
> > > > toward the realization of this goal that will allow
> > > > entrepreneurs and indivuals an opportunity to run a
> > legal,
> > >
> > > > licensed, commercial AM station with a few mile radius
>
> > to
> > > > serve new niche markets and offer Mom and Pop
> businesses
> >
> > > > that cannot afford the advertising rates on big
> stations
> >
> > > to
> > > > grow their business on LPAM.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there that wants to continue to cry about
> the
> >
> > > > "big, bad, FCC" may do so. But instead of simply
> > whining
> > > > about the problem why not try to do something about
> it.
> >
> > > Put
> > > > your money where you mouth is and do something to help
>
> > > > yourselves and others.
> > > >
> > > > The government is a big, bloated beauracrasy and it
> > takes
> > > > years to get things done. But I've outlined some of
> the
> >
> > > > positive results that have been achieved over the last
>
> > ten
> > >
> > > > years and I hope that ten years from now licensed,
> > > > commercial LPAM will be a past achievement. Then
> we'll
> > be
> > >
> > > > setting our sights on more community radio projects.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: radio free brattleboro: I think all of you are missing the point.

> Case in point: Los Angeles' Mighty 690. For decades it was
> one of the top AM stations in LA, with local programming,
> local DJ's. Then Texas-based Clear Channel bought it and
> turned it into a voice-tracked satellator. Now Clear
> Channel is selling it to a Spain-based corporation who is
> going to turn it into yet another Spanish language station.

It's not "Los Angeles'" anything. It's XETRA, Rosarito, Baja California, Mexico, and if anyone has a right to be peeved about what's happened to the station over the last half-century, it might be the good folks of Rosarito, who've watched since 1960 or so as "their" station has been operated by a series of foreign operators for the benefit of listeners who live in a different country and don't even speak the same language.

> So LA's 690 AM channel starts out as a local O&O, then gets
> sold to an out-of-state corporation, who, in turn, sells it
> to a foreign corporation not even in the same hemisphere.

How's that again? Even back in the early 1960s, when the station was XEAK (playing top-40) and then XETRA (doing all-news for LA as "Extra 690"), it was controlled by a fellow named Gordon McLendon, who was from, er, Texas. And thanks to the rules that then governed cross-border broadcasting, it was programmed with tapes recorded a day earlier at a distant studio, a practice that might be called "voicetracking." In 1960.

In any case, McLendon never owned XETRA, and neither does Clear Channel. It's a Mexican station and can't legally be owned by U.S. citizens. All that McLendon did, and all that Clear Channel does now, is to lease the right to program and sell ad time on the station. (It's owned by "XETRA Communicaciones," which is controlled by members of the Noble family, which also programmed the station in the 80s and early 90s.)

> And this whole transaction takes place under the benign gaze
> of the FCC with the people of LA, for the most part, unaware
> that they are losing their frequency(after all, don't the
> airwaves really belong to the public?) to a foreign
> interest. And what's sad is that this is not an isolated
> incident.

The FCC's only role in all of this has been to try to REDUCE market concentration in San Diego by ordering Clear Channel to divest itself of the Mexican programming rights that it holds there. The FCC has no control over what ultimately happens to 690, since the channel is allocated under international treaty to Mexico, not to the U.S. Clear Channel is as much a "foreign interest," where XETRA is concerned, as Grupo PRISA, the Spanish company that's buying the station (through a Mexican subsidiary that owns hundreds of stations throughout the country, with the blessing of the Mexican government.)

> As far as I'm concerned, the FCC, regardless of the NAB's
> influence, has much to answer for. The public taking back
> their airwaves (by any means necessary) is a beginning.

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