Katie....Last time I checked..if u were an intern, and you recieved anything for your services..you came out ahead! Interns don't get paid..they are interns. So you getting anything for your remote..well you got the bonus plan. The part that you seem to be ignoring in all of the responses you have gotten in this post is this...YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE. The only people in radio who make large amounts of money are morning shows, sometimes afternoon drive, syndicated programs, sales, and of course upper level management. Entry level jobs (even in major markets (size 20 and above) simply do not pay that well anymore. Your degree is not going to automatically get you the money you want. Consider yourself LUCKY to even gain a full time gig. Most of the people I work with have 2 to 3 jobs just to make ends meet. And I work in market number 13 (phoenix). Again I wish you luck, youa re gonna need it. You are expecting respect that you havent earned yet.
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As a recent college grad, I can relate to you in some ways, sort of… I also worked in non-commercial radio for 3 ½ years in Pueblo, Colorado – KTSC Rev 89. I worked mornings there for 3 years and when I left I was also APD. I was also told I was “the best,” and had a top-rated morning show. [br][br]Your non-commercial experience really doesn’t mean anything. I was quickly shot down by the bigger markets and was referred to as, “raw and inexperienced.” I was given the advice to try for a smaller market like Colorado Springs and Fort Collins. I took that advice and quickly landed a part-time weekend gig @ 94.3 KILO in Colorado Springs. 6 months later I moved to Tucson and I am now the morning show co-host for KOHT. [br][br]Say what you want about the station, but I am surrounded by amazing people, my co-host being one of them. [br][br]I am in it for the experience and I would continue to do the job I am doing for the same amount of money I am making for the rest of my life, money isn’t what I am here for… and speaking of money, yeah, the whole “demand your salary” thing, not going to happen. You will get laughed at and kicked out the door, degree or not, this is RADIO. [br][br]As someone mentioned earlier, you have to start somewhere. [br]I was an intern at KDJM (when it once was) in Denver and I use to have to dress up like a monkey. I did it FOR FREE, had to PAY for parking and my tuition… this is the kind of stuff that you can eventually laugh about and talk about on-air – the good old days! The proof is in the pudding. [br][br]If your air-check is rock solid and you can shine in your interview that’s what will get you a job, forget all the other mumbo jumbo you mentioned. Sure you may not want to settle for a Montana gig, or North Dakota gig, but you will have to settle for something… at first. [br][br]I respect your drive and confidence and I am sure you can put together a great show. But let me tell you COMMERCIAL RADIO compared to NON-COMMERCIAL radio – it’s a huge reality check and a slap in the face. Maintain your standards and consider an ego check (cause if you don’t it will be checked for you by the BIG DOGS!), but also know that there are young bucks like you and me in the broadcasting world that are just as hungry and are willing TO TAKE WHAT THEY CAN GET! [br][br]Good luck & God Bless!!
The lesson here "Katie" is BE MORE LIKE KRYSTAL. Although I still believe "Katie" is somebody just trying to rattle our collective cage. NOBODY is that dim a bulb.
P.S. Krystal YOU are obviously for real. And I'll hire you someday if I am fortunate enough. ;-)
P.S. Krystal YOU are obviously for real. And I'll hire you someday if I am fortunate enough. ;-)
Alright. Truthfully I am getting really tired of reading posts made by either jaded or disgruntled folks.
Enough already!
If you are a radio employer and want to hire a hard working, intelligent, and dedicated person with LOTS of talent, please send me an email for my tape and resume.
Thank you!
Katie
[email protected]
Enough already!
If you are a radio employer and want to hire a hard working, intelligent, and dedicated person with LOTS of talent, please send me an email for my tape and resume.
Thank you!
Katie
[email protected]
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tcsnrayp
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let's put it this way katie... If I wanted a hard working, intelligent, and dedicated person with LOTS of talent I would look to someone with a lot more experience than you. And with a MUCH better attitude. Grow up and get busy girl.
uofa_diva said:
Katie...station/group PDs are not going to spend their time searching for you and
then sending you emails requesting a response.
They ain't comin' to you.
You have to scour the trades and the grapevine for job leads and follow up with those
PDs, or even try blind submissions by first finding out their names and email addresses.
And that includes the Mom and Pop operation in West Outhouse, Montana, where
Mom or Pop is likely the PD/ND/SM/CE/GM. (You know those acronyms, right?)
And BTW...tapes are not the normal media format, instead try 16-inch electrical
transcription discs. (I'm jusssss keeeedinggg!!! ;D)
Ya know, if I was "jaded or disgruntled", I would have left this business 20 years ago (or gone to work for the Post Office). There's nothing jaded or disgruntled about this. How many posts from how many working pros does it take for a neophyte broadcaster to realize that it's show business and that the same folks you meet on your way up WILL BE the same folks you meet when you're sliding back down? (It's a rhetorical question)
I'm just a realist. I love what I do and even after all these years, still want to do nothing else.
I wish you the best, Katie. But, I hope you're prepared for the real world of radio.
I'm just a realist. I love what I do and even after all these years, still want to do nothing else.
I wish you the best, Katie. But, I hope you're prepared for the real world of radio.
Katie, and everyone else...
I want to personally thank you for the FUNNIEST thread I have ever seen on this website! This was GOOD STUFF! I went through TWO BAGS of popcorn enjoying this one.
Katie, don't go away, come back and post some more replies! This thread cannot end!
It's almost the perfect bit--
1. College greenhorn comes out of the "netherworld" of College Radio with big dreams and a big ego. Has no idea of how "the business" works, and thinks people in radio give 2 sheets about a college degree.
2. Veteran radio guys well past their prime don't believe the person is real, and then ends up going along with it when the greenhorn gets indignant.
3. Lots of good, but obvious and unnecessary, advice is bestowed upon the alleged greenhorn, who categorically refuses to listen to any of it.
4. Alleged greenhorn demands for work at her own salary by telling veteran radio people to request her tape.
5. Veteran radio guys grumble about how crappy the business is, although they never get out.
Truly good stuff! Thanks again!
/sarc
: ;D
I want to personally thank you for the FUNNIEST thread I have ever seen on this website! This was GOOD STUFF! I went through TWO BAGS of popcorn enjoying this one.
Katie, don't go away, come back and post some more replies! This thread cannot end!
It's almost the perfect bit--
1. College greenhorn comes out of the "netherworld" of College Radio with big dreams and a big ego. Has no idea of how "the business" works, and thinks people in radio give 2 sheets about a college degree.
2. Veteran radio guys well past their prime don't believe the person is real, and then ends up going along with it when the greenhorn gets indignant.
3. Lots of good, but obvious and unnecessary, advice is bestowed upon the alleged greenhorn, who categorically refuses to listen to any of it.
4. Alleged greenhorn demands for work at her own salary by telling veteran radio people to request her tape.
5. Veteran radio guys grumble about how crappy the business is, although they never get out.
Truly good stuff! Thanks again!
/sarc
: ;D
Come on, it's gotta be Phil Hendrie. Gave up Bobbie Dooley and this is his new act.
Somebody get Akbar in on this. Paging Dr. Akbar...
Sorry, but Nurse Jeff and I are working on too many scams here in Phoenix to be involved in career counseling. But we will pass on this nugget: buy shares in Apple, the iPod has changed everything about radio. Good luck!
Somebody get Akbar in on this. Paging Dr. Akbar...
Sorry, but Nurse Jeff and I are working on too many scams here in Phoenix to be involved in career counseling. But we will pass on this nugget: buy shares in Apple, the iPod has changed everything about radio. Good luck!
Dorkbert said:
I'm sooooo thrilled beyond words that my sincere search for a radio career has been entertainment for you. Hope you enjoyed the popcorn at least.
I will however agree with you about those veteran radio guys who refuse to get out no matter how bad things have gotten for them. It's like, get a clue! If your career is sucking after 10 years, ya need to move on and find something new. Even my economics professor spent an entire class saying that if your career is not moving upwards after a span of 5 years, chances are that's as good as it's going to get. Either start searching in a new direction, or just sit there and be miserable for the rest of your life.
uofa_diva said:
I would actually agree with your professor, only I might go as far as to say after 3 years! In fact, I was once told by a co-worker not to stay in the same position, especially if it's management, for more than 3 years. Also, keep in mind that a lot of us come here to B & M about our jobs. Whatever job you get, you'll likely find it's not perfect. While people may be happy overall with their jobs, they'll still have a few things they don't like. In radio, salary and the adoption of technology are the top-2 complaints. After all, no one makes what they think they're worth, and every one of us has probably lost at least one job due to it being eliminated for automation. It doesn't mean we hate what we do. It's usually easier to complain about the things we don't like to people who can relate.
I agree with the earlier post that said this is the best thread ever posted on the Tucson board. Very interesting comments from everybody.
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First of all, this Katie chick reminds me of the "mason jar" callers from Loveline...I would say there is a 90+% chance you are a bogus poster, that being said.
Your attitude will get you nowhere. I worked from the time I was 18-20 to pay for my education and graduated at 23 with a degree in broadcast communications. I started off doing board ops at my college station, eventually moving up to a Monday night shift. Pay: $0
I stayed in that small town and worked as an intern, then a janitor, then a morning producer at a radio station. Took me almost two years to get a shift: Pay: $6.00/hr after internship.
Moved to Savannah, GA and lived in a rented room in a bad neighborhood while being a bartender during the weekdays and an on-air talent during the weekends. On-air pay: $6.75/hr
Moved to Orlando, FL and board-op'd 2 stations during the weekends while bartending at a catering company during the weekdays. On-air pay: $7.50/hr.
Honey, I'm not saying this is the exact way to go, but you will not jump into afternoons at a Tucson station. Repeat: WILL NOT HAPPEN. Even Howard Stern started off at a small-town AM station pulling (in 2007 dollars) about $1000/month. Furthermore, with that attitude you have, you'd be lucky if you can babysit a 1kW AM station.
I have been in professional radio for 4 years and, no offense, have yet to see this much of an ego. It won't get you far. Shoot for the moon, but be humble and be willing to work your tail off. 'Cause there aren't too many broadcasters who really care whether you have a four-year degree, and even fewer care if you had THE most popular radio show on a college AM station. You have to prove you can make that broadcaster money....that's what this place is about, money.
Radio-X
Your attitude will get you nowhere. I worked from the time I was 18-20 to pay for my education and graduated at 23 with a degree in broadcast communications. I started off doing board ops at my college station, eventually moving up to a Monday night shift. Pay: $0
I stayed in that small town and worked as an intern, then a janitor, then a morning producer at a radio station. Took me almost two years to get a shift: Pay: $6.00/hr after internship.
Moved to Savannah, GA and lived in a rented room in a bad neighborhood while being a bartender during the weekdays and an on-air talent during the weekends. On-air pay: $6.75/hr
Moved to Orlando, FL and board-op'd 2 stations during the weekends while bartending at a catering company during the weekdays. On-air pay: $7.50/hr.
Honey, I'm not saying this is the exact way to go, but you will not jump into afternoons at a Tucson station. Repeat: WILL NOT HAPPEN. Even Howard Stern started off at a small-town AM station pulling (in 2007 dollars) about $1000/month. Furthermore, with that attitude you have, you'd be lucky if you can babysit a 1kW AM station.
I have been in professional radio for 4 years and, no offense, have yet to see this much of an ego. It won't get you far. Shoot for the moon, but be humble and be willing to work your tail off. 'Cause there aren't too many broadcasters who really care whether you have a four-year degree, and even fewer care if you had THE most popular radio show on a college AM station. You have to prove you can make that broadcaster money....that's what this place is about, money.
Radio-X
What an Interesting thread. Katie...its timing and lubrication half of the time. Most of the stations I have worked usually move somebody up
from a smaller position in the company. I certainly didn't make a ton of dough when I first started out but I took every shift, every grunt job, every chance to get on the air. I asked PD's, GM's, Sales People and the other jocks that didn't like me because I wanted to do every shift I could, if they would listen to my tape and give me input to possibly be a better jock. I still am pretty worthless but after all the work I landed a morning gig. 20 years now and I still see the Jock that wants to work every shift, the one that will be there when the PD needs him and the one that has no attitude or ego to get liked by the listener and clients. No offence to you Katie, you probably have a killer tape - but I would hire the guy or gal that lived and breathed and had a passion for the industry like 3/4's of the people on this board. VetDJ, Ray and some of these others are True Class Acts that can only be honest with you about the biz. It's up to you I guess what you want to take out of it.
While it maybe applies more to Mornings, you should check out Tracy Johnsons Book about Radio, he had two of them. Might be a tough find, but a gold mine of info.
Good...Now I am two cents lighter..
from a smaller position in the company. I certainly didn't make a ton of dough when I first started out but I took every shift, every grunt job, every chance to get on the air. I asked PD's, GM's, Sales People and the other jocks that didn't like me because I wanted to do every shift I could, if they would listen to my tape and give me input to possibly be a better jock. I still am pretty worthless but after all the work I landed a morning gig. 20 years now and I still see the Jock that wants to work every shift, the one that will be there when the PD needs him and the one that has no attitude or ego to get liked by the listener and clients. No offence to you Katie, you probably have a killer tape - but I would hire the guy or gal that lived and breathed and had a passion for the industry like 3/4's of the people on this board. VetDJ, Ray and some of these others are True Class Acts that can only be honest with you about the biz. It's up to you I guess what you want to take out of it.
While it maybe applies more to Mornings, you should check out Tracy Johnsons Book about Radio, he had two of them. Might be a tough find, but a gold mine of info.
Good...Now I am two cents lighter..
Job Title: PROGRAM DIRECTOR/AFTERNOON DRIVE ON-AIR
Job Description: Program Director & Afternoon Drive Personality
Job Category: Radio
Location: Tucson, AZ
Division: Radio
Employment Status: Full-Time
Job small market.Requirements: Hip-Hop POwerhouse KOHT/HOT 98.3 FM is searching for its next Program Director/Afternoon Drive Star! Must have prior programming and on-air experience, know and understand the target 18-34 demo. Send resume, air-check and programming philosophy to: Tim Richards, Clear Channel Radio, 3202 N. Oracle Rd. Tucson, AZ 85705 NO PHONE CALLS PLEASE!
Summary: Even Tucson stations require some sort of commercial on air experience in a small market.
Job Description: Program Director & Afternoon Drive Personality
Job Category: Radio
Location: Tucson, AZ
Division: Radio
Employment Status: Full-Time
Job small market.Requirements: Hip-Hop POwerhouse KOHT/HOT 98.3 FM is searching for its next Program Director/Afternoon Drive Star! Must have prior programming and on-air experience, know and understand the target 18-34 demo. Send resume, air-check and programming philosophy to: Tim Richards, Clear Channel Radio, 3202 N. Oracle Rd. Tucson, AZ 85705 NO PHONE CALLS PLEASE!
Summary: Even Tucson stations require some sort of commercial on air experience in a small market.
uofa_diva said:
Katie -- no offense, but you are completely underqualified for this position. I'm in my second round of working in commercial radio, and even I feel underqualified for this position.
Do you know how to run logs in Selector? Do you know how to work Linker? (Hell, do you even know what those programs do?) Can you manage a staff of dozens who have more radio experience than you do while also coordinating and overseeing sales, promotions, imaging and engineering? Can you design and execute an annual budget of several million dollars? And I haven't even scratched the surface of what a PD does on a regular basis.
Trust me, kid... in any industry -- and ESPECIALLY radio -- you've got to pay your dues, and college radio counts for just about zilch in the commercial radio world, especially since they are so incredibly different. What you're asking to do is kind of the equivalent of a stockroom worker in Staples who thinks she's qualified to be regional vice president just because she goes to the store every day. And you have no idea how arrogant you come off sounding when you reject the advice of seasoned pros here who are openly offering their knowledge and experience to you, and no PD is going to hire some upstart kid who thinks she can do better with him without having even spent any time at a commercial radio station.
First off, I really and truly do not like your tone. Just because I'm working at a college radio station, you take me for an idiot. Just because YOU feel underqualified for the position doesn't mean than I am.
As far as those programs you mentioned, Selector and Linker, no I do not know them yet. However I can run circles around most anyone when it comes to computers and software applications. Those should be no different. Secondly I have taken both extensive leadership courses and have practical real world knowledge of managing events. Who do you think helps put together the U of A Spring Fling every year? That involves months of organization with both staffers and commercial vendors.
Furthermore I have also taken two accounting classes that deal with every aspect of corporate finances. So again, YES! If need be I can easily execute and design a radio station's annual budget... probably in my sleep.
Anything else you need to know?
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