Re: * anglo *
> > > > Exactly. But using it as a catchall for non-hispanic
> > > > is still offensive.
> > >
> > > It's not offensive and never has been. "Angolo" is the
> > > standard in both English and Spanish to describe
> > > "non-Hispanic whites" both in English and Spanish.
> >
> > Never has been? In other words, David Eduardo
> > is more of an authority than The Associated Press.
>
> The AP manual is guilty of extreme political correctness,
> since most journalists tend to be liberals.
Wrong again.
Wikipedia says PC was just a humorous term coined
by the left until the 1990s. Then "The term again
became popular in the early 1990s as part of a
conservative challenge to curriculum and
teaching methods on college campuses in the
United States."
But I was referring to a 1980s edition of the
AP Stylebook: pre PC.
And since when have I been an advocate of
political correctness?
> The term has never been negative.
Possibly not generally intended as such but certainly
perceived that way.
After all, I could call you Spanish from sheer
laziness, too -- with no negative intentions.
> > Sorry. I had no idea how smart you were.
>
> Sarcasm does not become you. Your one source, the AP, is a
> definitely... and I will say it again... PC organization.
> The term has been used with no disrespect and no negative
> connotations for the far-more-than-40-years that I have
> heard and seen it used.
> >
> > If it has become a standard, it's because of
> > sheer laziness, because it's a few syllables
> > shorter than "non-hispanic whites."
>
> It has been used for far more time than the "Hispanic" term
> has been in use. Its usage has changed over the years from
> meaning "Spakers of English" to "Anything of or related to
> non-Hispanic whites." Ango music. Anglo culture. Anglo
> whatever. And it ceased referring to the Germnaic tribe its
> name springs from nearly a century ago.
> >
> > > Today, the term is not at all offensive and has come
> into
> > > common usage to describe a differentiation between
> > Hisapnic
> > > and non-Hisspanic whites with ease and few syllables.
> >
> > Are you dictating to me how I should feel about
> > being defined as an "Anglo"??? It's not offensive
> > because you say so? Shades of Bill O'Reilly.
>
> Well, you may think the sky is orange and the sun is pink.
> 99.9999% of people don't. Nor do they find "Anglo" to be
> anyting more than a vague descriptor of peoples and
> cultures.
> >
> > > All the record releases in Latin America of English
> music
> > > come on CDs labled "Anglo" indicating that the music is
> > not
> > > Latin... and is in English.
> >
> > That's referring to the language in which they are
> > sung. Different than calling PEOPLE by that term.
>
> It means the songs are by Anglos. If they wanted to say "in
> english" they would. In fact, a "Anglo" promo CD can contain
> music in French or Italian, too. This has been the standard
> for non-Spanish music promo releases in Latin America since
> I first got promo releases, and that is over 40 years ago.
> >
> > > Again, the term is not offensive and is used commonly
> > around
> > > the world.
> >
> > I can think of terms that are used commonly
> > around the world that might offend even you, Dave.
>
> I have, until you went on this tangeant, herd anyone take
> exception to the term. Aad I hear it used multiple times
> daily.
> >
> > In my experience, people from Cuba or Mexico don't
> > like to be called "Spanish." See the parallel?
>
> No, I do not. "Anglo" refers to the Angles, a Germanic tribe
> of Europe. There is no nation of "Anglo." If I were
> Ecuadorian, and called Spanish, I would take exception to
> the error. However, Spanish means someoen from Spanin...
> Anglo means, vaugely, someone from Europe. In other words,
> not the same.
For a long time, Anglo has meant related
to England, and has been used by people
who never heard of the Angles or the Saxons
except in relation to geometry.
> > Why is it that certain groups demand to be called
> > "gay" or "African American", because they don't like
> > "homosexual" or "black" any more, but if people who
> > aren't even English finds "Anglo" offensive, that's
> > tough cookies?
>
> Anglo does not mean English. It refers to one of the
> wandering tribes of Europe, who along with the Saxons,
> conquered what is now England at one point in time. Just as
> the Normans did... etc., etc. Anglo does not mean "of
> england" although that is a common misconception.
> >
> > I find it laughable that "Anglo" could be used
> > for eastern Europeans who don't even know the
> > language. Are "white" and "caucasian" now dirty words?
>
> The Angles did not speak English, either. Any more than the
> Vandals spoke "vandalism."
> >
> > > Did you know the term "gringo" is also not offensive,
> > unless
> > > used in an offensive context?
> >
> > Well, no one ever called me gringo.
>
> Well, first time for everything: You are an ethnocentric
> gringo.
>
> I have been called it all the time. It is generally not
> negative.
> >
> > But you are offending me, Dave.
> >
> > Next thing, I'll be expoected to accept "honky"....
>
> "Honkey" is derogatory. Anglo is not.
> >
> > Maybe you have an authotitative answer about Ivan's other
> > weird comments.
>
> In this case, he is right.
No, I mean referring to me as anti-Cuban
because I posted the URL of an article about
Radio Marti that I thought might interest people,
especially MMM, a former ee of RM.
> From no less a source than Encarta:
> Anglo
>
> An¡¤glo [¨¢ng gl¨]
> (plural An¡¤glos) an¡¤glo [¨¢ng gl¨] (plural an¡¤glos)
> noun (informal)
> 1. non-Hispanic Caucasian person: an English-speaking
> Caucasian person in the United States who is not of Hispanic
> origin
> 2. Canada non-French-speaking Canadian: an English-speaking
> person in Canada, especially in Qu¨¦bec
>
> And Angle (the origin of "anglo" ethnically)
> Angle
>
> An¡¤gle [¨¢ng g¡¯l]
> (plural An¡¤gles)
> noun
> member of Germanic people: a member of a Germanic people
> who invaded and settled throughout eastern and northern
> England in the 5th and 6th centuries ad
>
> [Pre-12th century. From Latin Angli , literally ¡°people
> from Angul¡± in North Germany (source also of English), of
> Germanic origin; ultimately related to angle1.]
Would you refer to speakers of the romance languages,
derived from Latin, as Angles also?
Since modern Indo-European languages include
not only English & German but also Hindi, Bengali,
Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish, are they Anglos, too?
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