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Radio Marti in Panama News

Radio Marti & Ivan's hate rhetoric

> Boy, have you gone off the topic. You couldn't discuss your
> original post. You tried to throw some hate rhetoric and you
> were called on it. Now you talk about anything but. It's

"Called on it" by a guy who just loves to argue
on any topic. His experience in radio does not
qualify him to determine what is offensive to
someone else.

And I guess his attempts to discredit the AP
because he disagrees with their stylebook
are his version of shiny keys. (I'd be a
lot more concerned about Reuters' failure
to use the word terrorist.)

> just as well. We have strayed from our common bond, our love
> for radio.

What is this hate rhetoric you're talking about?

What planet are you on?

I merely posted the link to an article about
<font size=7 color=red>RADIO MARTI</font>
with no comments.

And later I mentioned that the term Anglo
which you used was offensive.

What part of that was hate rhetoric?

Get a clue, Ivan.

> By the way, if you are ever in Washington D.C., visit the
> VOA studios. I met some great radio people there and they
> are true patriots as well as top-notch professionals.

> This service is very important. If it wasn't, the Communists
> would not be so bothered by it.

Did you read my posting about VOA's late Willis Conover?

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Re: Even Ivan would agree...

> No way. I've had Mexican food. Once you remove
> the gookamole and sour cream and slimy smashed


"Gook"amole? Now you've offended all those of Asian descent reading this thread!

Seriously, as a born-and-bred white guy, I have never been offended by ANY catchall term/slur that applies to me...honky, cracker, casper, anglo...but maybe I'm just not as uptight as I should be.<P ID="signature">______________
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Comidas Cubana at Radio Marti?

Do they serve only Comidas Cubana at Radio Marti?
(To stay on topic)

> > No way. I've had Mexican food. Once you remove
> > the gookamole and sour cream and slimy smashed
>
> "Gook"amole? Now you've offended all those of Asian descent
> reading this thread!

Cute response, I must admit. I had to think about it for a sec.

Ok, yuckamole!!!

I like the white rice and <s>black beans</s>
African-American Beans in Cuban food, too.

> Seriously, as a born-and-bred white guy, I have never been
> offended by ANY catchall term/slur that applies to
> me...honky, cracker, casper, anglo...but maybe I'm just not
> as uptight as I should be.

Good for you! Nothing wrong with that.

73s from 954


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954

So, you did not read the whole article nor read other articles from the same writer. That is why we disagree.
 
Radio Marti Article

> So, you did not read the whole article nor read other
> articles from the same writer. That is why we disagree.

No... I just thought MMM and maybe others would be interested.

I found it while looking for new content for my site.

MMM said it was the best article about RM he had
ever read, or something like that.

Does that make him the enemy?

Uh oh. And I thought MMM was a spook! Silly me!

73s

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I read the whole article

> So, you did not read the whole article nor read other
> articles from the same writer. That is why we disagree.

I found your initial response to be very inappropriate Ivan. First may I say as a former career employee of the VOA,IBB,BBG,State Department, or Department of State, d.b.a. as "Radio Marti", that the article in question was 100% on target. I'd like to know more about these FM signals the writer mentioned, as those don’t originate from the United States. In any case, Radio Marti always seems to bring out the worst in people, thanks for listening!
 
Re: Even Ivan would agree...

>
> No way. I've had Mexican food. Once you remove
> the gookamole and sour cream and slimy smashed
> bean puree, what's left? Peppers, meat, and
> onions on soggy tortilla chips?

Tortilla chips are an American invention.

Unless you have had a good chicken in mole, a huachinango a la tampiqueña (snapper), a birria (goat stew), flautas, etc, etc., you have not eaten Mexican food.

A burrito is not Mexican. Chile con carne is not Mexican. They came formt he USA.

Mexican cuisine is extremely varied, with regional specialties abounding. It is not Taco Bell.

Outside of places where there are Cubans, you do not see Cuban cuisine. Mexican restaurants can be found in Tokyo!
 
Re: Radio Marti & Ivan's hate rhetoric

>
> "Called on it" by a guy who just loves to argue
> on any topic. His experience in radio does not
> qualify him to determine what is offensive to
> someone else.

I never said I was qualified to impose my view on others. Which is why I cited sources, something you have yet to do in this discussion.
>
> And I guess his attempts to discredit the AP
> because he disagrees with their stylebook
> are his version of shiny keys. (I'd be a
> lot more concerned about Reuters' failure
> to use the word terrorist.)

See? All news organizations play the same game.

Anecdotally, I recall reading in Time in the late 60's about one of the overthrows of the government of Ecuador. It described events from a persepctive that was almost surrealistic, when cmpared with the facts. Since I had been in the middle of the event, as owner of a news talk station, I actually saw what happened (I went on al major stories). News is, simply, filtered through the eyes of the reporter... which includes enormous cultural biases and flavoring.
>
> And later I mentioned that the term Anglo
> which you used was offensive.

Please qualify... "Offensive to you" is different form plain, broad, "offensive." Nobody else seems to think, today that it is an offensive term.
 
fooood

> > No way. I've had Mexican food. Once you remove
> > the gookamole and sour cream and slimy smashed
> > bean puree, what's left? Peppers, meat, and
> > onions on soggy tortilla chips?
>
> Tortilla chips are an American invention.
>
> Unless you have had a good chicken in mole, a huachinango a
> la tampiqueña (snapper), a birria (goat stew), flautas, etc,
> etc., you have not eaten Mexican food.

I've had good Mexican food a few times. But most people's
impression of it is Taco Bell, unfortunately.

Likewise, I think Pollo Tropical is a poor excuse for Cuban food.

> A burrito is not Mexican. Chile con carne is not Mexican.
> They came formt he USA.

Well, MMM was talking about burritos. Not the
good stuff.

So I suspect he's never had palomilla, paella,
vaca frita, picadillo, or even moros y
christianos ... before criticizing Cuban food.

Thanks for an interesting posting regardless.

> Mexican cuisine is extremely varied, with regional
> specialties abounding. It is not Taco Bell.
>
> Outside of places where there are Cubans, you do not see
> Cuban cuisine. Mexican restaurants can be found in Tokyo!

I went to a Cuban restaurant in Atlanta back in '93.
(I remember this because it's the yeear I went to COMDEX.)
Is that a Cuban area?<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Radio Marti & Ivan's hate rhetoric

> > "Called on it" by a guy who just loves to argue
> > on any topic. His experience in radio does not
> > qualify him to determine what is offensive to
> > someone else.
>
> I never said I was qualified to impose my view on others.
> Which is why I cited sources, something you have yet to do
> in this discussion.

> > And I guess his attempts to discredit the AP
> > because he disagrees with their stylebook
> > are his version of shiny keys. (I'd be a
> > lot more concerned about Reuters' failure
> > to use the word terrorist.)

I cited the Associated Press Stylebook, which
basically said "do not use" that phrase, calling
it offensive. And I agreed.

You said to disregard it because they were PC?

You agree with who you want and I'll do the same.

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will just help enough other people get what they
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Re: Radio Marti Article

How did this thread get hijacked from its original purpose?

Let us consider whether the United States ever signed the international treaty quoted below from the article and what this country should be doing do in order to stand behind its commitments.

Some...with a communications background oppose Radio and TV Marti as a matter of principle, agreeing with...annual complaints to the International Telecommunication Union, that even aiming its signal at Cuba from US airspace violates the international regulations regarding broadcasting, to which both the US and Cuba are signatories. Havana argues...that such behavior relegates international broadcasting to the law of the jungle and nothing short of piracy. <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Radio Marti Article

> How did this thread get hijacked from its original purpose?.

Ivan the Terrible
 
Re: Radio Marti Article

> How did this thread get hijacked from its original purpose?

Hijacked?

The original porpoise was Flipper. (Maybe Ivan is Ivan Tors?)

The original purpose of posting the URL was because
I thought MMM and maybe others would be interested.
I found it while looking for new content for my site.

Technically, discussing a treaty would be hijacking it,
just as justifications of the offensive term "Anglo" are.
Note to DE... I think I'd prefer "gringo."

But go ahead....

> Let us consider whether the United States ever signed the
> international treaty quoted below from the article and what
> this country should be doing do in order to stand behind its
> commitments.
>
> Some...with a communications background oppose Radio and TV
> Marti as a matter of principle, agreeing with...annual
> complaints to the International Telecommunication Union,
> that even aiming its signal at Cuba from US airspace
> violates the international regulations regarding
> broadcasting, to which both the US and Cuba are signatories.
> Havana argues...that such behavior relegates international
> broadcasting to the law of the jungle and nothing short of
piracy.
>

I remember Castro's anti-American Radio Free Dixie, too....
Aimed at southern negroes.

And Castro's jamming our domestic frequencies so they couldn't
be heard down there.

Aiming broadcasts at other countries is almost as old as
radio itself.

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Re: fooood

>
> So I suspect he's never had palomilla, paella,
> vaca frita, picadillo, or even moros y
> christianos ... before criticizing Cuban food.

Paella and several of the others are not Cuban. They are Spanish. Cubans take credit for things that are Spanish all the time, though. especially in Miami.

>
> I went to a Cuban restaurant in Atlanta back in '93.
> (I remember this because it's the yeear I went to COMDEX.)
> Is that a Cuban area?

Over 100 thousand Cubans were relocated to Atlanta in the original 1960 to 1980 pre-Mariel period. Probably there are 30 to 40 thousand who have not later moved to Miami. For a while, Cubans were the biggest Hispanic group in atlanta.
 
Re: Radio Marti & Ivan's hate rhetoric

>
> I cited the Associated Press Stylebook, which
> basically said "do not use" that phrase, calling
> it offensive. And I agreed.
>
> You said to disregard it because they were PC?
>
> You agree with who you want and I'll do the same.

That stylebook is hardly contemporary, as you yourself said. Apparently, even the AP has realized the term is not offensive and in common usage.
 
I'm not eating Goat Stew, no matter how baaaad it is!

I can't believe your people eat Testicles & Intestines too?. Anyway I am hurt to think all the 100% authentic places in Los Angeles that I have known for years are fake according to you, and I'm not talking Chain places or TacoBell. However I have heard that before, where do you go?.


> Tortilla chips are an American invention.

I just read that, thanks a lot Eduardo.

> Outside of places where there are Cubans, you do not see
> Cuban cuisine. Mexican restaurants can be found in Tokyo!

I sure wouldn't want to eat at a Cuban restaurant while in Tokyo. Of course I don't like Japanese food either?.


mmm
 
Re: I'm not eating Goat Stew, no matter how baaaad it is!

> I can't believe your people eat Testicles & Intestines too?.
> Anyway I am hurt to think all the 100% authentic places in
> Los Angeles that I have known for years are fake according
> to you, and I'm not talking Chain places or TacoBell.
> However I have heard that before, where do you go?.

La Parilla in East LA is my favorite. If the menu does not have "aguas frescas" it is not authentic (mexican non-alcoholic drinks like horchata and jamaica, to name two).
>
> I sure wouldn't want to eat at a Cuban restaurant while in
> Tokyo. Of course I don't like Japanese food either?.
>
>
> mmm
>
 
just say neigh

> > I can't believe your people eat Testicles & Intestines
> too?.
> > Anyway I am hurt to think all the 100% authentic places
> in
> > Los Angeles that I have known for years are fake according
> > to you, and I'm not talking Chain places or TacoBell.
> > However I have heard that before, where do you go?.
>
> La Parilla in East LA is my favorite. If the menu does not
> have "aguas frescas" it is not authentic (mexican
> non-alcoholic drinks like horchata and jamaica, to name
> two).

Mira! I have an unopened bottle of Penafiel from the
early 80s or late 70s. Is it worth anything?

> > I sure wouldn't want to eat at a Cuban restaurant while in
>
> > Tokyo. Of course I don't like Japanese food either?.

There is an excellent Mexican/Cuban restaurant in
Broward named after Richie Valens which I am sure
is every bit as authentic, even without the goats.

> > mmm

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Re: just say neigh

>
> Mira! I have an unopened bottle of Penafiel from the
> early 80s or late 70s. Is it worth anything?

Only if you become homicidal. It is probebly, unlike wine, not the better for its age.
>
> There is an excellent Mexican/Cuban restaurant in
> Broward named after Richie Valens which I am sure
> is every bit as authentic, even without the goats.
>

That is an odd choice of name for the restaurant. Richie was Ricardo Valenzuela, and a Chicano, not a Mexican. Must be some odd cuisine!
 
Re: just say neigh

> >
> > Mira! I have an unopened bottle of Penafiel from the
> > early 80s or late 70s. Is it worth anything?
>
> Only if you become homicidal. It is probebly, unlike wine,
> not the better for its age.
> >
> > There is an excellent Mexican/Cuban restaurant in
> > Broward named after Richie Valens which I am sure
> > is every bit as authentic, even without the goats.
>
> That is an odd choice of name for the restaurant. Richie was
> Ricardo Valenzuela, and a Chicano, not a Mexican. Must be
> some odd cuisine!

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