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david5258

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driving home from youngstown tonite, i caught 2 50k flamethrowers with different topics(between 9 and 1030pm). first up 1530 wcky, cincy, came in clear as a bell on us224 outside ytown. the hostess, unidentified was interview phil hartman about some poetry and monologue story telling "concert" called the HOWL, supposedly to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the beat poets. as the signal faded, they went into a commercial advertising mediumship classes sponsored by the uscl(united spiritualist christian league?)--has "progressive radio stooped so low they accept advertising like this one?
after the radio revolution faded out at the portage county line, i dxed to wham1180. kim komando was holding forth with several very enjoyable and practical tips about computer usage, uploading digital fotos and cleaning unwanted clutter off your startup using the ms/config operation. wham ran the full 5 minute foxnewscast at 10pm, and kim returned.
2 different flamethrowers, 2 different markets, 2 different messages.
my question how can wham get it correct, while wcky missed the mark?
comments??????????????
david5258
 
> driving home from youngstown tonite, i caught 2 50k
> flamethrowers with different topics(between 9 and 1030pm).
> first up 1530 wcky, cincy, came in clear as a bell on us224
> outside ytown. the hostess, unidentified was interview phil
> hartman about some poetry and monologue story telling
> "concert" called the HOWL, supposedly to celebrate the 50th
> anniversary of the beat poets. as the signal faded, they
> went into a commercial advertising mediumship classes
> sponsored by the uscl(united spiritualist christian
> league?)--has "progressive radio stooped so low they accept
> advertising like this one?

Doesn't sound very progressive to me.
 
> driving home from youngstown tonite, i caught 2 50k
> flamethrowers with different topics(between 9 and 1030pm).
> first up 1530 wcky, cincy, came in clear as a bell on us224
> outside ytown. the hostess, unidentified was interview phil
> hartman about some poetry and monologue story telling
> "concert" called the HOWL, supposedly to celebrate the 50th
> anniversary of the beat poets. as the signal faded, they
> went into a commercial advertising mediumship classes
> sponsored by the uscl(united spiritualist christian
> league?)--has "progressive radio stooped so low they accept
> advertising like this one?


WCKY has been airing religious programming overnight for many years, even before progressive talk.

Either it's a long-term contract or the money is just that good.
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> driving home from youngstown tonite, i caught 2 50k
> flamethrowers with different topics(between 9 and 1030pm).
> first up 1530 wcky, cincy, came in clear as a bell on us224
> outside ytown. the hostess, unidentified was interview phil
> hartman about some poetry and monologue story telling
> "concert" called the HOWL, supposedly to celebrate the 50th
> anniversary of the beat poets. as the signal faded, they
> went into a commercial advertising mediumship classes
> sponsored by the uscl(united spiritualist christian
> league?)--has "progressive radio stooped so low they accept
> advertising like this one?
> after the radio revolution faded out at the portage county
> line, i dxed to wham1180. kim komando was holding forth with
> several very enjoyable and practical tips about computer
> usage, uploading digital fotos and cleaning unwanted clutter
> off your startup using the ms/config operation. wham ran the
> full 5 minute foxnewscast at 10pm, and kim returned.
> 2 different flamethrowers, 2 different markets, 2 different
> messages.
> my question how can wham get it correct, while wcky missed
> the mark?
> comments??????????????
> david5258

The first program you were listening to on WCKY 1530 AM was definitely a progressive program from Air America Radio: <a target="_blank" href=http://shows.airamericaradio.com/lauraflanders/>"The Laura Flanders Show"</a> (airs live from 7 PM-10PM ET). Laura's show is not all "hard" political topics but she stays within a progressive theme, as was the case with her interview of Phil Hartman, organizer of this year's <a target="_blank" href=http://www.howlfestival.com/purpose.php>"Howl Festival"</a> in New York City and standup storyteller <a target="_blank" href=http://www.jonathanames.com/>Jonathan Ames</a>, who will be performing at the "Howl Festival."

These weekend shows on AAR, for the most part, are not "hard" political programs: "Liberal Arts" with Katherine Lanpher, "The Kyle Jason Show" (music intense), "EcoTalk" with Betsy Rosenberg, "The Revolution Starts Now" with Steve Earl (music intense) and "On The Real" with Chuck D and Gia'na Garel.

The rest of the AAR weekend shows are definitely politically oriented: "Ring of Fire" with Robert Kennedy, Jr. and Mike Papantonio, "Mother Jones Radio" with host Angie Coiro and "Politically Direct" with David Bender.

[Laura Flanders also has a weekday show, (co-hosted with Farai Chideya) <a target="_blank" href=http://www.yourcallradio.org/>"Your Call,"</a> which is heard from 10 AM-11 AM (PT) / 1 PM-2 PM (ET) on San Francisco's . (<a target="_blank" href=http://www.kalw.org/listen.html>KALW's Internet stream.)]
 
> >has "progressive radio stooped so low they
> accept
> > advertising like this one?
>
>
> WCKY has been airing religious programming overnight for
> many years, even before progressive talk.
>
> Either it's a long-term contract or the money is just that
> good.

WCKY is owned by Clear Channel. I seriously doubt that CC has a policy of accepting dubious commercials on its progressive stations, but not on its conservative ones.
 
> > >has "progressive radio stooped so low they
> > accept
> > > advertising like this one?
> >
> >
> > WCKY has been airing religious programming overnight for
> > many years, even before progressive talk.
> >
> > Either it's a long-term contract or the money is just that
>
> > good.
>
> WCKY is owned by Clear Channel. I seriously doubt that CC
> has a policy of accepting dubious commercials on its

First of all, what are these "dubious" commercials? That would be the whores at Salem. In terms of CC, they do air infomercials early on weekend mornings, in many cases 3-4am or 4-5am, and get very good rates on their high ranking N/T stations.
 
> > driving home from youngstown tonite, i caught 2 50k
> > flamethrowers with different topics(between 9 and 1030pm).
>
> > first up 1530 wcky, cincy, came in clear as a bell on
> us224
> > outside ytown. the hostess, unidentified was interview
> phil
> > hartman about some poetry and monologue story telling
> > "concert" called the HOWL, supposedly to celebrate the
> 50th
> > anniversary of the beat poets. as the signal faded, they
> > went into a commercial advertising mediumship classes
> > sponsored by the uscl(united spiritualist christian
> > league?)--has "progressive radio stooped so low they
> accept
> > advertising like this one?
>
>
> WCKY has been airing religious programming overnight for
> many years, even before progressive talk.

And dates back to the ORIGINAL incarnation of WCKY/1530 back in the 70's or so, probably under Price ownership. 1530 became WSAI with a standards format in 1994, then switched to oldies in 2003, but the preachers stayed. And will for some time to come.

WCKY and WWVA/1170-Wheeling are the ONLY CC talkers that follow this practice...

> Either it's a long-term contract or the money is just that
> good.

I say both. Why get rid of good, easy money?

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Nathan Obral
University Partership Representative: LCCC Student Senate, Elyria, Ohio

The Morning Love with Mark and Sarah - Fridays 9AM EDT on Duck Radio!</P>
 
As others here have posted: WCKY has gone through several format changes over the years (and call letter changes also, but for now WCKY and 1530 AM are back together again).

But through it all, no matter what the 1530 frequency was programming (and they've been through many many changes), the station has run religious programming in its overnight and Sunday morning hours, and runs occasional spots at other times of the day to promote a few specific religious shows.

Yeah, the money from it is good. I don't agree that running it (or more accurately, continuing to run it as they have for decades) is "stooping low." It's a steady gig. It's a commercial station with a long-term client. Maybe when Air America can generate as much profit during those hours, WCKY might drop the religious programming. Otherwise, why should they?
 
> > >has "progressive radio stooped so low they
> > accept
> > > advertising like this one?
> >
> >
> > WCKY has been airing religious programming overnight for
> > many years, even before progressive talk.
> >
> > Either it's a long-term contract or the money is just that
>
> > good.
>
> WCKY is owned by Clear Channel. I seriously doubt that CC
> has a policy of accepting dubious commercials on its
> progressive stations, but not on its conservative ones.
>

You, my friend, are WAAAAY off base!
 
> > > >has "progressive radio stooped so low they
> > > accept
> > > > advertising like this one?
> > >
> > >
> > > WCKY has been airing religious programming overnight for
>
> > > many years, even before progressive talk.
> > >
> > > Either it's a long-term contract or the money is just
> that
> >
> > > good.
> >
> > WCKY is owned by Clear Channel. I seriously doubt that CC
>
> > has a policy of accepting dubious commercials on its
>
> First of all, what are these "dubious" commercials? That
> would be the whores at Salem. In terms of CC, they do air
> infomercials early on weekend mornings, in many cases 3-4am
> or 4-5am, and get very good rates on their high ranking N/T
> stations.
>
guys i was NOT talking about the hostess. i was making an observation as an objective listener on the road. thanks for id ing laura flanders. laura did get phil hartman to open up, but in my opinion he has gone waaaaay out on alimb since his SNL days.
my specific objection was to the commercail:)60) for uscl("united spiritualist christian league"). the commercial was offering beginning , advanced and expert instruction in mediumship--which is communicating with the dead through a spirit guide or demon.
when i was 21, i visited lilydale in newyork state with some college friends from chatauqua while on family vacation. the spiritualist service is similar to a high liturgical catholic or episcopalian service with hymns, and "ministry through mediumship". (i grew up episcopalian).all mention of JESUS CHRIST is deleted from thir songs because spiritualists do NOT acknowledge JESUS as the SON of GOD/MESSIAH like CHristians do. the name of the ad sponsor is an oxymoron, because spiritualists are NOT, and never will be, Christian.
Clear Channel is doing a DISSERVICE to its local community to accept advertising from this group. When i got my fcc class3 radio license, i was taught that radio has a responsibility to SERVE their community. sadly, it appears that cc is not doing so in this case in cincy.--david5258
 
>
> > WCKY is owned by Clear Channel. I seriously doubt that CC
>
> > has a policy of accepting dubious commercials on its
> > progressive stations, but not on its conservative ones.
> >
>
> You, my friend, are WAAAAY off base!

Really? Please explain. My point was that Clear Channel, like most broadcasters, will take dubious commercials on any of its stations, regardless of format, if the money is green. If you have information to the contrary, please share it.
>
 
> > > >has "progressive radio stooped so low they
> > > accept
> > > > advertising like this one?
> > >
> > >
> > > WCKY has been airing religious programming overnight for
>
> > > many years, even before progressive talk.
> > >
> > > Either it's a long-term contract or the money is just
> that
> >
> > > good.
> >
> > WCKY is owned by Clear Channel. I seriously doubt that CC
>
> > has a policy of accepting dubious commercials on its
>
> First of all, what are these "dubious" commercials? That
> would be the whores at Salem. In terms of CC, they do air
> infomercials early on weekend mornings, in many cases 3-4am
> or 4-5am, and get very good rates on their high ranking N/T
> stations.
>

People must remember two things. First, the majority of stations are owned by public companies. Public companies report quarterly earnings. If quarterly earnings are down things at the station's change. Things like format flips, employee removal, marketing cuts (if there was any to begin with), etc.

1350 AM in Akron (Progressive Talk WARF) airs NASCAR on the weekends. WHen I think of Progressive I think of good ol' NASCAR...NOT! However, It is an obligation to run the programming in addition to gives good sales opportunities. I went to a friend's party yesterday whose family is religious, conservative and pretty strong country listeners. What did they have on for 4 hours? 1350-AM. Not for Eco-talk, but for NASCAR. These people probably NEVER listen at any other time, but they did tune in for that broadcast.

Sometimes we must air commericals that we don't necessarily agree with. It is a good sales reps job to help "program" the station with commercials that make sense. If you sell an ad that really goes against the grain you'll most likely end up with poor results from the ad schedule. But should a company refuse to run certain types of ads because they are dubious? No. Bonneville, who has a number of rock stations, rejects all beer ads. Beer ads make huge portions of revenue for most rock stations. But they refuse because it is their right. Isn' choice great?
 
APOLOGIES.....

> >
> > > WCKY is owned by Clear Channel. I seriously doubt that
> CC
> >
> > > has a policy of accepting dubious commercials on its
> > > progressive stations, but not on its conservative ones.
> > >
> >
> > You, my friend, are WAAAAY off base!
>
> Really? Please explain. My point was that Clear Channel,
> like most broadcasters, will take dubious commercials on any
> of its stations, regardless of format, if the money is
> green. If you have information to the contrary, please
> share it.
> >
>

I apologize. I misread your original statement, missing the word DOUBT. See what happens when you work too many hours????

Going to crawl back in my hole.
 
> my specific objection was to the commercail:)60) for
> uscl("united spiritualist christian league"). the commercial
> was offering beginning , advanced and expert instruction in
> mediumship--which is communicating with the dead through a
> spirit guide or demon.
> when i was 21, i visited lilydale in newyork state with some
> college friends from chatauqua while on family vacation. the
> spiritualist service is similar to a high liturgical
> catholic or episcopalian service with hymns, and "ministry
> through mediumship". (i grew up episcopalian).all mention of
> JESUS CHRIST is deleted from thir songs because
> spiritualists do NOT acknowledge JESUS as the SON of
> GOD/MESSIAH like CHristians do. the name of the ad sponsor
> is an oxymoron, because spiritualists are NOT, and never
> will be, Christian.

Ok, that is your opinion- but not folowing what that has to do with Radio. Some Christians beleive worshipers of other denominations, not their own, are not "real" Chrisitians for one rason or another. This can become a slippery slope. Spiritualism has been around for over 100 years and I still find the horoscope in the daily paper. Last time I checked kids will still hold hands around the table at the slumber party invoking some spirit and Holloween has quite a following.

> Clear Channel is doing a DISSERVICE to its local community
> to accept advertising from this group. When i got my fcc
> class3 radio license, i was taught that radio has a
> responsibility to SERVE their community. sadly, it appears
> that cc is not doing so in this case in cincy.--david5258
>
Really, this is a free country. You can worship as you please or not. That is what made this country great. Thank goodness CC isn't making judgment calls like you are suggesting! Clear Channel should not make moral decisions for its listeners.
 
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