• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

RADIO SHACK Drops HD Radio Price Again

TheRover said:
Radio Shack has lowered the price of it's Accurian HD Radio from$199 to $149, AND they are offering (for a Limited time) a $25 Rebate, and the iBiquity rebate of $25 means that you can go out and get this baby for $149.00 ! !

I can pick up FM stations that my boom box can't using the "T" antenna.
:D

Another commercial for HD Radio - there is no way that piece of cheap junk is picking up stations that analog radios can't - with my little Sony ICF-S10MK2 hand-held analog radio, I can pick up as far away as KLRD AM Dallas, at night from Maryland (1200 miles); let's see the Accurian do that ! :D As far as the price drop, Mark Ramsey explains that it will make no difference, and may even indicate to consumers, less value for the dollar:

"HD Radio and the 'myth' of price"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/05/hd_radio_and_th.html
 
700WLW said:
TheRover said:
Radio Shack has lowered the price of it's Accurian HD Radio from$199 to $149, AND they are offering (for a Limited time) a $25 Rebate, and the iBiquity rebate of $25 means that you can go out and get this baby for $149.00 ! !

I can pick up FM stations that my boom box can't using the "T" antenna.

Another commercial for HD Radio - there is no way that piece of cheap junk is picking up stations that analog radios can't
Ya got that right!!
 
700WLW said:
TheRover said:
Radio Shack has lowered the price of it's Accurian HD Radio from$199 to $149, AND they are offering (for a Limited time) a $25 Rebate, and the iBiquity rebate of $25 means that you can go out and get this baby for $149.00 ! !

I can pick up FM stations that my boom box can't using the "T" antenna.
:D

Another commercial for HD Radio - there is no way that piece of cheap junk is picking up stations that analog radios can't - with my little Sony ICF-S10MK2 hand-held analog radio, I can pick up as far away as KLRD AM Dallas, at night from Maryland (1200 miles); let's see the Accurian do that ! :D As far as the price drop, Mark Ramsey explains that it will make no difference, and may even indicate to consumers, less value for the dollar:

"HD Radio and the 'myth' of price"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/05/hd_radio_and_th.html

Sir,

I truly am not trying to start a fight with you, but how could you know that the Accurian is a "piece of cheap junk" without trying it out (as I'm assuming--please correct me if I'm wrong)? I guess I shall see firsthand in a couple of hours...my Accurian should be arriving this evening!

To the original poster, the radio is $99 with the two rebates. It is on sale for $149 and two $25 mail-in rebates can be used to get it down to $99. I finally convinced my parents to let me try HD radio out for that price...I'm excited!
 
TheRover said:
Radio Shack has lowered the price of it's Accurian HD Radio from$199 to $149, AND they are offering (for a Limited time) a $25 Rebate, and the iBiquity rebate of $25 means that you can go out and get this baby for $149.00 ! !

I can pick up FM stations that my boom box can't using the "T" antenna.
Are you saying that the Accurian can pick up a few more stations with the large external T antenna, then your boom box without the external T antenna?
I guess it might, but that is not much of a comparison.
Almost any cheap radio gets better reception with a large external antenna, then with the smaller, built in pigtail or antenna rod, even the Accurian.
 
JMpstar said:
700WLW said:
TheRover said:
Radio Shack has lowered the price of it's Accurian HD Radio from$199 to $149, AND they are offering (for a Limited time) a $25 Rebate, and the iBiquity rebate of $25 means that you can go out and get this baby for $149.00 ! !

I can pick up FM stations that my boom box can't using the "T" antenna.
:D

Another commercial for HD Radio - there is no way that piece of cheap junk is picking up stations that analog radios can't - with my little Sony ICF-S10MK2 hand-held analog radio, I can pick up as far away as KLRD AM Dallas, at night from Maryland (1200 miles); let's see the Accurian do that ! :D As far as the price drop, Mark Ramsey explains that it will make no difference, and may even indicate to consumers, less value for the dollar:

"HD Radio and the 'myth' of price"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/05/hd_radio_and_th.html

Sir,

I truly am not trying to start a fight with you, but how could you know that the Accurian is a "piece of cheap junk" without trying it out (as I'm assuming--please correct me if I'm wrong)? I guess I shall see firsthand in a couple of hours...my Accurian should be arriving this evening!

To the original poster, the radio is $99 with the two rebates. It is on sale for $149 and two $25 mail-in rebates can be used to get it down to $99. I finally convinced my parents to let me try HD radio out for that price...I'm excited!
The flaws are built in to the problematic HD Radio technology. But I would be interested in hearing how you make out.
 
JMpstar said:
700WLW said:
TheRover said:
Radio Shack has lowered the price of it's Accurian HD Radio from$199 to $149, AND they are offering (for a Limited time) a $25 Rebate, and the iBiquity rebate of $25 means that you can go out and get this baby for $149.00 ! !

I can pick up FM stations that my boom box can't using the "T" antenna.
:D

Another commercial for HD Radio - there is no way that piece of cheap junk is picking up stations that analog radios can't - with my little Sony ICF-S10MK2 hand-held analog radio, I can pick up as far away as KLRD AM Dallas, at night from Maryland (1200 miles); let's see the Accurian do that ! :D As far as the price drop, Mark Ramsey explains that it will make no difference, and may even indicate to consumers, less value for the dollar:

"HD Radio and the 'myth' of price"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/05/hd_radio_and_th.html

Sir,

I truly am not trying to start a fight with you, but how could you know that the Accurian is a "piece of cheap junk" without trying it out (as I'm assuming--please correct me if I'm wrong)? I guess I shall see firsthand in a couple of hours...my Accurian should be arriving this evening!

To the original poster, the radio is $99 with the two rebates. It is on sale for $149 and two $25 mail-in rebates can be used to get it down to $99. I finally convinced my parents to let me try HD radio out for that price...I'm excited!

For this current sale, different from the Black Friday sale, the Accurian's price is not actually lowered from $199. It's $199 - a $25 Radio Shack Rebate and - the $25 iBiquity mail-in Rebate = $149. It was the Black Friday sale that lowered the price to $124 -$25 iBiquity mail-in rebate that made that price $99.

When I want to DX I use the Realistic DX-440. A fine machine after all these years!! ;D
 
Still doesn't matter what the reason is for the price drop (via mail-in rebate), as Mark Ramsey pointed out, it will make no difference, and may even have a negative affect. Well, if IBOC gets approved for nighttime AM, you can throw your excellent DX-440 in the trash - you will have iBiquity, the FCC, and the HD Radio Cartel to thank for that ! BTW, people do not like dealing with mail-in rebates, because getting one's money back is not guaranteed and takes forever; iBiquity must be processing the rebates, because they are worried, and want a head-count of HD radios sold.
 
OK. So $300 was too high for you. $200 is too high for you and now "If you lower the price, people will think it has less value." So I guess $150 is too low for you. Can I translate this for you?

You don't like the technology and therefore anything done that markets the technology you don't like.

We get it.

I'm realy sorry if the sensitivity of THIS particular radio model is being reported to be a little better than your "FM HD RADIO DOESN'T WORK", mentality likes.

What we have here is somome who bought the radio and says it gets better reception than their existing radio. I could buy that. It's at least as good as any of the mainstrean consumer radios I own. And no I wouldn't put it in the DX'er category. Still it receives well.

Sounds good too.

Sorry.

Clouseau
 
clouseau said:
OK. So $300 was too high for you. $200 is too high for you and now "If you lower the price, people will think it has less value." So I guess $150 is too low for you. Can I translate this for you?

You don't like the technology and therefore anything done that markets the technology you don't like.

We get it.

I'm realy sorry if the sensitivity of THIS particular radio model is being reported to be a little better than your "FM HD RADIO DOESN'T WORK", mentality likes.

What we have here is somome who bought the radio and says it gets better reception than their existing radio. I could buy that. It's at least as good as any of the mainstrean consumer radios I own. And no I wouldn't put it in the DX'er category. Still it receives well.

Sounds good too.

Sorry.

Clouseau

Sounds good - my little Sony has a 2 1/4" speaker, so I can image, what the Accurian HD's massive 2" speakers sound like ! Another cheap piece of Chinese-made junk from Radio Shack ! :D
 
Here is my review from 11/06:

I have an Accurian radio. Good radio, but the HD 'technology' is severely flawed.

I can't get any HD AM signal even though the analog AM audio is near full quieting and inside 5 mV/m contour. Twice one of the HD stations kicked into HD and it sounded like crap -- ringy and distorted, like a low bitrate stream. AM is complete waste of time!

On the FM HD I got nothing with supplied antenna (even a cheap boom box work fine with supplied antenna). An outdoor FM yagi revealed poor results. The analog coverage is far superior to HD. With HD, you must have yagi aimed perfectly, whereas analog is more forgiving. In the presence of any analog interference the HD 'peters' out. Only about 50% of the HD stations will lock even though analog signal is clear. Tuning to adjacents where HD resides will reveal why it doesn't work. Even the slightest reception of extremely distant analog stations (eg 200 miles out) causes HD fail.

What a piece of garbage technology...
 
It's not "garbage" technology.

It's a perfectly workable data link mode useful to transmit many kinds of data, within constraints that are too limiting to make it
useful as a "radio".

As a STL, with yagis or dish reflectors it would support a higher data rate, higher quality audio, and work fine.

It's not forgiving enough to work with the nature of what we call radio, with highly variable conditions of signal strength, QRM and QRN, phase distortions and multipath.

If "slowed down" it would be great way to download files of select reruns, or create an on-demand newscast upadated every 10 minutes, which could be user-requested at any time during a 100% musical format.

There could be a lot of useful applications, but trying to make it run as a "real time" audio source is pure folly.
 
JMpstar said:
700WLW said:
TheRover said:
Radio Shack has lowered the price of it's Accurian HD Radio from$199 to $149, AND they are offering (for a Limited time) a $25 Rebate, and the iBiquity rebate of $25 means that you can go out and get this baby for $149.00 ! !

I can pick up FM stations that my boom box can't using the "T" antenna.
:D

Another commercial for HD Radio - there is no way that piece of cheap junk is picking up stations that analog radios can't - with my little Sony ICF-S10MK2 hand-held analog radio, I can pick up as far away as KLRD AM Dallas, at night from Maryland (1200 miles); let's see the Accurian do that ! :D As far as the price drop, Mark Ramsey explains that it will make no difference, and may even indicate to consumers, less value for the dollar:

"HD Radio and the 'myth' of price"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/05/hd_radio_and_th.html

Sir,

I truly am not trying to start a fight with you, but how could you know that the Accurian is a "piece of cheap junk" without trying it out (as I'm assuming--please correct me if I'm wrong)? I guess I shall see firsthand in a couple of hours...my Accurian should be arriving this evening!

To the original poster, the radio is $99 with the two rebates. It is on sale for $149 and two $25 mail-in rebates can be used to get it down to $99. I finally convinced my parents to let me try HD radio out for that price...I'm excited!

Sir,

I don't have to try it out - just by looking at pictures of it, with its 2" speakers, and reading many posts (see, "HD Radio Receiver Sensitivity" thread), I can tell it is junk. Most radios with the Radio Shack name-plate are Chinese-made junk, including the Sangean look-alikes. The last two excellent SW receivers made were the RS DX-440 (wish I had kept mine) and the Sony ICF-2010. Just look at the latest review for the RS High-Performance AM/FM/WX receiver:

"On Friday, I was ready to test this radio against some of my other favorite portables, so as soon as my wife left for work, I turned off the house mains and turned on this radio. It was tuned to a distant station and it really sounded nice. But when I slid the Wide/Normal switch back to Normal, the station disappeared and the radio went quiet. So I slid the switch back to Wide again, but the station was still gone. I tried this several times and I tuned up and down the AM band. But only the three strongest local AM stations remained. Somehow, that switch caused the radio to lose all of its sensitivity."

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6263

And, it looks like a re-packaged cheap junk Grundig S350 (same cheap plastic box). My $10 Sony is better than my more expensive RS PLL digital radios. BTW, I just drove by RS in our area, and they have signs in the windows for Satellite Radio and iPods, but nothing for HD Radio. Sony rules ! :D
 
Tom Wells said:
It's not "garbage" technology.

It's a perfectly workable data link mode useful to transmit many kinds of data, within constraints that are too limiting to make it
useful as a "radio".

As a STL, with yagis or dish reflectors it would support a higher data rate, higher quality audio, and work fine.

It's not forgiving enough to work with the nature of what we call radio, with highly variable conditions of signal strength, QRM and QRN, phase distortions and multipath.

If "slowed down" it would be great way to download files of select reruns, or create an on-demand newscast upadated every 10 minutes, which could be user-requested at any time during a 100% musical format.

There could be a lot of useful applications, but trying to make it run as a "real time" audio source is pure folly.

Well, isn't that already being done, with Wireless Internet applications over many types of other devices - to think that people are going to buy into limited applications over HD Radio ! :D
 
Tom Wells~

You *do* make an excellent point there.As a whole the tech itself isn't garbage, just its creatore, I feel, have the wrong idea for a decent usage of it and as a result seem to be pointing it in the wrong direction. Even though Ibiquity IBAC has too many technical constraints to really make it useful as a radio audio broadcast technology (in the long run & mainstream embrace) it could (rather, "would") be extremely useful for transmitting services auxillary to the main radio station's channel.

Like, for example, interactive information (text displays, pictures, CD information etc.) about the music being played on the main analogue channel. Or, itinerant business paging services. Stock quotes or sports scores, even.

These kinds of things are very well-suited to the low bandwidth demanded by Ibiquity's system on FM. (On AM, it would be no different than what we are currently seeing.....it's cooked as far as I can tell.) JPEG picture data, text files and paging services (usually) don't require that much bandwidth anyways, and even if a station uses all of those in conjunction it would still have a *lot* of bandwidth left over. (Remote/field reporter to studio communications or telemetry data services, anyone?)

Kinda' like what RDS, SCA and even to some degree SAP are already doing (could even be used as a supplement to those services!) but a bit more "high tech".

Remember the old CD-Interactive format Philips introduced in the 90s? It was originally introduced to be one of the first CD based video game platforms for the consumer market. (Even the very first Playstations, made by Sony and Nintendo as a supplement to the SNES were based on it.) Needless to say CDI was a total flop in the consumer market but to this day and throughout the last fifteen years or so, it has enjoyed tremendous success as a business music delivery platform and has been embraced by companies like AEI/DMX, Muzak and others. Ergo, from a consumerism standpoint IBAC just might end up being the new "CD Interactive" of the 2000s. Not really a success but not really a flop either.

It's just a thought.......
 
All of these functions will be done with Wireless Internet/Internet Radio in-dash - there is no point in forcing this over the broadcast bands; the broadcast bands are best served in analog mode, for the functions they were originally intended.
 
I was as skeptical as anyone about HD, until I bought my Accurian. I live in Boomer, NC...Wilkes County, in the Foothills of Northwest North Carolina. I'm surrounded by mountains, so multipath is a problem. I am also between 50 and 80 miles from FM HD stations in Davidson, Charlotte, and Greenboro. Add to this the fact that my roof antenna with rotor was knocked down in a storm last summer, and you wouldn't expect me to get anything with this "junk" technology, right?

Well I DO get quite a few HD stations...from 50-80 miles away...including 89.9 WDAV in Davidson, 90.3 WFHE Hickory, 90.7 WFAE Charlotte, 95.1 Kiss FM in Charlotte, 96.1 Charlotte, "Lite" 102.9 Charlotte (with HD-2), 104.1 WTQR Greensboro (with HD-2), 105.7 WFMX (Greensboro), 106.9 WMIT (Black Mountain), and 107.9 "The Link" in Charlotte. And did I mention that I am getting them USING RABBIT EARS THAT I GOT FOR LESS THAN TEN BUCKS???!!!!

Post your negative comments, question my honesty. It makes no difference to me if you believe me. I'm just waiting for my Magnum Dynalab SR-100 antenna to arrive! By the way, the Accurian has EXCELLENT sound quality if you use the headphone jack as a line output. It's level is more in "line" with that usage than driving headphones directly anyway. And analog FM is noise free, even on distant stations, too. As for AM, well...look at a map. There are no AM HD stations around here, and try as I may, I can't get any "skip" from AM stations I know to be HD.

You skeptics may well be right about the AM system, I'll withhold judgement. But don't dare say FM HD is severely coverage limited. 'Tain't so! Not in my experience, with my hundred dollar radio. It's the best radio toy since my Eton E5!
 
Mike Walker said:
I was as skeptical as anyone about HD, until I bought my Accurian. I live in Boomer, NC...Wilkes County, in the Foothills of Northwest North Carolina. I'm surrounded by mountains, so multipath is a problem. I am also between 50 and 80 miles from FM HD stations in Davidson, Charlotte, and Greenboro. Add to this the fact that my roof antenna with rotor was knocked down in a storm last summer, and you wouldn't expect me to get anything with this "junk" technology, right?

Well I DO get quite a few HD stations...from 50-80 miles away...including 89.9 WDAV in Davidson, 90.3 WFHE Hickory, 90.7 WFAE Charlotte, 95.1 Kiss FM in Charlotte, 96.1 Charlotte, "Lite" 102.9 Charlotte (with HD-2), 104.1 WTQR Greensboro (with HD-2), 105.7 WFMX (Greensboro), 106.9 WMIT (Black Mountain), and 107.9 "The Link" in Charlotte. And did I mention that I am getting them USING RABBIT EARS THAT I GOT FOR LESS THAN TEN BUCKS???!!!!

Post your negative comments, question my honesty. It makes no difference to me if you believe me. I'm just waiting for my Magnum Dynalab SR-100 antenna to arrive! By the way, the Accurian has EXCELLENT sound quality if you use the headphone jack as a line output. It's level is more in "line" with that usage than driving headphones directly anyway. And analog FM is noise free, even on distant stations, too. As for AM, well...look at a map. There are no AM HD stations around here, and try as I may, I can't get any "skip" from AM stations I know to be HD.

You skeptics may well be right about the AM system, I'll withhold judgement. But don't dare say FM HD is severely coverage limited. 'Tain't so! Not in my experience, with my hundred dollar radio. It's the best radio toy since my Eton E5!

Well, your comments sure contradict many others (see, "HD Radio Receiver Sensitivity" thread). My little $10 hand-held Sony ICF-S10MK2 AM/FM radio (http://www.radiointel.com/review-sonys10mk2.htm) has a 2 1/4" speaker, so I can imagine what the Accurian HD's boomimg 2" speakers sound like ! And, my Sony can DX up to 1200 miles, on nighttime AM, with just its internal ferrite-bar antenna - no special, unattractive, clunky dipole-type antennas needed ! Too bad, you wasted money on an HD radio, since portable Internet Radio is now being released (see, "WIFI-FO-FUM" thread) and HD Radio may not be around much longer ! :D
 
Yeah Wi-Fi radio will kill HD Radio the way Television killed radio (and the movies), Cable killed local tv, FM killed am, satellite killed cable, Sirius and XM killed terrestrial radio, internet radio killed...well all of the above, etc. New media doesn't "kill" existing media. Unless there's something seriously wrong with existing media, new media just becomes a part of the existing smorgasboard.

Radio and TV killed newspapers, the internet killed radio and tv news, blogs killed magazines, cats killed dogs, turtles killed elephants, etc.

Wi-fi radio is hardly new (at least at my house). It's another form of something which already exists...INTERNET radio. And do you know what people listen to mostly on internet radio? TERRESTRIAL AM AND FM BROADCASTS, which can be received on a hundred dollar HD radio now, with no broadband bill, and over a span of dozens, or even hundreds of miles, not hundreds of FEET (being optimistic about the coverage of most wi-fi networks!)

I love dxing too. Which is why I think we should hold off on HD AM until interference issues can be addressed (if ever). But dxing and hi-fi listening are as different as, well...program listening on a little portable, and SERIOUS dxing on a high end communications receiver (Drake, Icom, JRC, take your pick). They ain't the same thing.

While dxing on fm is great fun, and I'm greatful to be able to pull in HD from 70+ miles away on inexpensive, simple, easily concealed equipment ("wabbit ears" can be hidden in the window-sill behind the curtains!), the fact is that a)-the great majority of the US population lives within the metro areas of major cities, and b)-most people listen to anything behond their local stations. So MOST PEOPLE are now in a position to receive FM HD on inexpensive radios, with just the included "T" antenna...the same type of antenna we've used for local fm reception with tuners and receivers forever.

I was an HD skeptic. But the performance frankly shocked me. Yes there are some stations I know are in HD, but I can't receive the HD signals. But I CAN get the analog signals (and the analog tuner in the Accurian embarrasses that in far more expensive receivers...having an effective blend so that noise is all but nonexistant even on distant stations). And ya' know what? There are some fm stereo stations that I can't get in stereo either. I LIVE IN THE FRINGES OF ALL BUT ONE FM STATION...a 100kilowatter here in town that I happen to work for (and they're not HD yet, so I don't have a "horse in this race"). But, even in my rural location with a simple, cheap antenna I have managed to fill my presets with HD signals.

Now if I could only hear SOMETHING on AM (with an HD signal), so I could come to an informed judgement about that. You know, 700WLW...INFORMED JUDGEMENT...what one reaches AFTER ACTUALLY EXAMINING THE SUBJECT AT HAND!

Listenership and revenue at terrestrial am and fm stations aren't falling off the edge of the earth. In fact, in-home listenership has INCREASED in recent years. 95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week. And of course they want better sound quality, and more programming options FOR FREE (once an inexpensive radio has been purchased).

As for the 2" speakers...the Tivoli PAL, regarded by many as the best sounding portable radio on the market, uses a SINGLE 2" speaker. And it sounds fabulous...warm, full, BALANCED. No, the speakers in the Accurian aren't as good, but that doesn't matter. Other options are everywhere from amplified computer speakers to headphones to the aux input on your stereo.

What's really amusing is that you think "Wi-Fi Radio" is new. 'Tain't. There have been many such devices through the years. Most have failed because they're "one trick ponies". The BEST wi-fi radio device is a pocket pc, such as my Dell Axim X51v! Not only can I listen to internet radio, I can also watch movies (640 x 480 30 frames per second), surf the 'net at broadband speeds, send and receive e-mail, play games (it has a 3D graphics accelerator...but Dude, I'm 48...I don't care!), listen to Audible books, podcasts, mp3s, wma, ogg, flac, uncompressed .wav, and any other format that comes along, because new software is cheap (or free), and easily upgradable (unlike hardware "wi-fi radios"). I fyou're REALLY serious about "wi-fi radio", you owe it to yourself to investigate a REAL TOOL, as opposed to a pocket toy that will soon be forgotten. Get a pocket pc (or smart phone with wi-fi functionality). It can do the "wi-fi radio thang'", and a helluva lot more!
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom