"Radio Shack Rolls Out HD Radios In NYC Metro"

[700WLW]

IBOCRocks: "SayNoToIBOC->PLL->analogAMforever->700WLW: Can you at least TRY and play nice. I made a comment, instead of saying you disagree, you make some snarky comment and repeat a post you've made now several times.I'd think by now you'd be tired of changing names. I'm trying to behave. I suggest you do the same."

Here is a sampling of everyone's handywork, including yours:

Thread Originator

Posting and you SaynotoIB0C
BJH & PLL=SayNoToIBOC ? IBOCRocks
WTF Moderator???? SayNoToSayNoToIBOC
Ignore him and don't read his posts Len14043
If we ignore him.... SayNoToSayNoToIBOC
HEY SAY NO, A QUESTION FOR YOU pullitin
HD Radio poster exposed I.B. Iquity
HEY SAY NO, GUES WHAT? pullitin
Blogger accuses HD Factions of hijacking Radio-Info ! IBOCRocks
Who can you trust for the truth? IBOCRocks

AND, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I HEARD THIS:

IBOCRocks << Reply #12 on: September 10, 2006, 04:13:35 pm >>
"What eulogy? More lies"

WELL, GUESS WHAT - I FOUND IT:

My work here is done IBOCRocks August 09, 2006, 08:41:55 pm by IBOCRocks

Hello fellow Radio-Info-ites.

After spending the day correcting the half-truths and misinformation here, I'm confident that we all know who the "fraud" is.

Certain people on this board like to use tantalizing, though misleading headlines to get your attention (see the FAA headline below) in the hopes that a person who loads the page thinks that HD Radio is in trouble. Myself, and several others have done our best to correct the misleading information. Unfortunately, unlike the IBOC haters who have decided to camp out here, I have a life. I can't babysit these guys waiting for the next post filled with inaccuracies and half-truths. I think I've sufficiently made my point today. These guys are a bunch of children hoping to draw an argument by using inflammitory techniques and in some cases, lies.

It looks like several of you have seen through them, and anyone else who comes by should be able to make an informed choice.

I leave you with this:

A certain poster has 260 posts bashing HD Radio. This person doesn not work in the radio field. He does not have any sort of technical background, nor has he even TRIED HD Radio. His life revolves around trying to convince you, using any means necessary, to avoid HD Radio. I don't even think he knows why. He's never really made a point...he's simply used other people's opinions as fact.

They'll scare you with stories of 7 foot antennas and the like. There may be a grain of truth, but not much. Anyway, how would he know? With another link, of course.

What is my point? Don't listen to me, and don't listen to him. We both hold very extreme and opposite sides of the issue. The truth is somewhere in between. What is the truth? That's for you to find out. Do your own research. Read, visit a transmitter site, tune around the dial and listen for interference. Wait a few months for production to ramp up and try a radio for yourself. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. The radios are expensive and hard to find at this moment but that will change. Don't buy into the doom and gloom of the IBOC haters. They'll tell you that the technology is DOA. In fact, they will tell you ANYTHING BUT "Try the radios". They are so afraid that you'll like it that they will do ANYTHING to prevent you from trying HD Radio. Read some of their comments and decide for yourselves whether or not they should be believed.

The bottom line: You see very few pro-IBOC topics started here. Yet, the anti-IBOC crowd (or, more specifically the anti-IBOC guy) posts links almost every hour. Do you think that maybe he/they have an agenda? One anti-IBOC poster even admitted that all he wants to do is plant a seed of doubt in your mind. How mature!

Anyway, this isn't goodbye. I'll let the anti-IBOC guys have their fun. It appears that they're making my point without my help. They'll inevitably come by and say that they "scared me away". That's fine - let them think that if it makes them feel like better men - I fortunately don't need use someone to make me feel superior.

I just don't have time to keep up with a guy who's whole reason for being is to try to kill something using misinformation. He may not have anything better to do, but I certainly do.

I apologize for monopolizing the board today. It wasn't pretty, but I think I made my point.

Have fun!

 

[calstymes]

IBOCRocks declared (about a month ago):

Do your own research. Read, visit a transmitter site, tune around the dial and listen for interference. Wait a few months for production to ramp up and try a radio for yourself. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. The radios are expensive and hard to find at this moment but that will change. Don't buy into the doom and gloom of the IBOC haters. They'll tell you that the technology is DOA. In fact, they will tell you ANYTHING BUT "Try the radios". They are so afraid that you'll like it that they will do ANYTHING to prevent you from trying HD Radio. Read some of their comments and decide for yourselves whether or not they should be believed.

It is no secret that I am not a fan of IBOC (I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm a "hater"). But I will not say the technology is DOA. I agree with my pal, IBOCRocks. Don't buy into the doom and gloom of the IBOC haters! I think everyone should try it out! Go ahead. Do it! Especially the AM HD signals. It's even better if you live in a large market where the concrete jungle likes to absorb lots of AM-band MF ground path energy. Definitely "try the radios". Please buy them, and then try them. I am not afraid that you will like it. In fact, I know that the greater majority of you will be disappointed (unless you happen to have an ideal monitoring location like some folks do on this here message board).

Then after you decide that you are disappointed, get angry! Take the radios you purchased back to the store in which you purchased them and demand a refund. Become vocal. It is only in this way that Ubiquitous (I mean iBiquity) has a chance of being stopped. If we don't do this, then yes, we will ultimately have to accept HD/IBOC and will have no choice in the matter. It IS being rammed down the throats of U.S. consumers. If we as consumers don't speak up now, then this WILL eventually become the HD standard in the U.S. and a few people will have been transformed into billionaires from a public offering.

 

[700WLW]

"Especially the AM HD signals... Take the radios you purchased back to the store in which you purchased them and demand a refund."

I'm sure, that not many people listen to daytime AM - if nighttime AM IBOC ever gets approved, then talk shows can forget about the DXing call-in listeners. I'm also sure, that many HD radios have already been returned.

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Oh, and here are a couple more for you:

Re: Sangean about to market two new HD radios by IBOCRocks
What eulogy? More lies.

Re: Listen to HD Radio and thousands of other stations here! by IBOCRocks
...even the one that you "say" is a eulogy, even though you couldn't point out ...

 

[SUPERCASTER]

IBOCRocks declared (about a month ago):

Do your own research. Read, visit a transmitter site, tune around the dial and listen for interference. Wait a few months for production to ramp up and try a radio for yourself. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. The radios are expensive and hard to find at this moment but that will change. Don't buy into the doom and gloom of the IBOC haters. They'll tell you that the technology is DOA. In fact, they will tell you ANYTHING BUT "Try the radios". They are so afraid that you'll like it that they will do ANYTHING to prevent you from trying HD Radio. Read some of their comments and decide for yourselves whether or not they should be believed.

It is no secret that I am not a fan of IBOC (I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm a "hater"). But I will not say the technology is DOA. I agree with my pal, IBOCRocks. Don't buy into the doom and gloom of the IBOC haters! I think everyone should try it out! Go ahead. Do it! Especially the AM HD signals. It's even better if you live in a large market where the concrete jungle likes to absorb lots of AM-band MF ground path energy. Definitely "try the radios". Please buy them, and then try them. I am not afraid that you will like it. In fact, I know that the greater majority of you will be disappointed (unless you happen to have an ideal monitoring location like some folks do on this here message board).

Then after you decide that you are disappointed, get angry! Take the radios you purchased back to the store in which you purchased them and demand a refund. Become vocal. It is only in this way that Ubiquitous (I mean iBiquity) has a chance of being stopped. If we don't do this, then yes, we will ultimately have to accept HD/IBOC and will have no choice in the matter. It IS being rammed down the throats of U.S. consumers. If we as consumers don't speak up now, then this WILL eventually become the HD standard in the U.S. and a few people will have been transformed into billionaires from a public offering.

Agreed. Thanks for the post. It does not matter to me if people buy HD Radios. I think many will be returned. The mis-information/sales hype about HD Radio masqurading as "facts" is distressing, and possibly illegal.
Just a few of many false claims:
"CD quality sound"-NOT
get "hundreds of new stations" -NOT
"Free" -NOT
"No hiss, distortion or station drop off" -NOT
and the misinformation from HD supporters just goes on and on.
Buy it, try it, then return it, then file compalints with the Federal Trade Commission.
www.ftc.gov

 

[I.B. Iquity]

Just a few of many false claims:
"CD quality sound"-NOT - The FM HD 1 and 2 audio is CD Quality. They claim FM quality for AM IBOC.
get "hundreds of new stations" -NOT-Nationally, in my location I am receiving at least 11 otherwise non available formats on HD 2 and 3 channels.
"Free" -NOT- No monthly fee
"No hiss, distortion or station drop off" -NOT- No hiss or distortion heard nor is there multipath on FM nor is there static or interference on AM.

and the misinformation from HD supporters just goes on and on.- Right, we have the nerve to use facts and real life experience rather than sound dependable, opinion pieces. Instead of posting nonsense here why not take your knowledge and opnion pieces and contact the FCC. See how far that will get you.

"Buy it, try it, then return it, then file compalints with the Federal Trade Commission."

I agree files complaints. The outcome should be interesting.

 

[IBOCRocks]

Just a few of many false claims:
"CD quality sound"-NOT - The FM HD 1 and 2 audio is CD Quality. They claim FM quality for AM IBOC.
get "hundreds of new stations" -NOT-Nationally, in my location I am receiving at least 11 otherwise non available formats on HD 2 and 3 channels.
"Free" -NOT- No monthly fee
"No hiss, distortion or station drop off" -NOT- No hiss or distortion heard nor is there multipath on FM nor is there static or interference on AM.

and the misinformation from HD supporters just goes on and on.- Right, we have the nerve to use facts and real life experience rather than sound dependable, opinion pieces. Instead of posting nonsense here why not take your knowledge and opnion pieces and contact the FCC. See how far that will get you.

"Buy it, try it, then return it, then file compalints with the Federal Trade Commission."

I agree files complaints. The outcome should be interesting.

I agree. File the complaints. Then we'll see who's really right here!

I just don't understand the sheer hate coming from the anti-IBOC crowd. It's like nothing I've ever seen before...these people will do or say anything. They use namecalling ("inequity" "IBUZ"), lies ("you MUST use a seven foot dipole" "the HD Radio cartel"), and just general disdain. It's a technology, folks. Nobody dies!

The best part of all? Most of the anti-IBOC folks here talk about how bad terrestrial radio is. Yet, they're trying to "protect" it from IBOC.

I don't get it. Why all the anger and hate?

 

[700WLW]

"I agree. File the complaints. Then we'll see who's really right here! I just don't understand the sheer hate coming from the anti-IBOC crowd. It's like nothing I've ever seen before...these people will do or say anything. They use namecalling ("inequity" "IBUZ"), lies ("you MUST use a seven foot dipole" "the HD Radio cartel"), and just general disdain. It's a technology, folks. Nobody dies! The best part of all? Most of the anti-IBOC folks here talk about how bad terrestrial radio is. Yet, they're trying to "protect" it from IBOC.I don't get it. Why all the anger and hate?"

IBOCRocks << Reply #12 on: September 10, 2006, 04:13:35 pm >>
"What eulogy? More lies"

Why, all the lies ?

 

[calstymes]

IBOCRocks asked:

I don't get it. Why all the anger and hate?

I am not a hater by nature. But I will tell you, I am pretty darned annoyed at iBiquity (and its predecessors) for the way they have conducted themselves over the past ten years and the fact that they have not played nicely with other very talented and capable developers of technology at nearly every turn in the development of digital radio. Eventually, it all came down to the money. It doesn't matter whether or not the "HD" technology itself is really the best solution and therefore deserves to be declared the digital radio "standard" in the U.S. Unfortunately, it was and is all about the money.

Yes, yes, I know all about capitalism and competition in the good old U.S. of A. I am not talking about the normal course of doing business in a competitive market. Rather, most of what I am referring to has not been made public, so before anyone asks me to prove these claims again, don't bother. If the fact that I am unable to do that makes some of you think I am blowing smoke, that's perfectly ok. Like I have said before, I hope it will all come out in the wash. I just want the posters on this message board who are IBOC fans to realize that all is not necessarily as it seems and there ARE problems with the way this technology went about being developed and accepted by the FCC and how iBiquity's competitors were manipulated and squashed like ants. These are things which have not been made public and those broadcasters who know about any of this won't talk about it because of the close relationship many of them have with iBiquity.

THAT is why some of us call it a cartel.

 

[autopaint-1]

Which competitors are you refering to?

 

[calstymes]

autopaint-1 asked:

Which competitors are you refering to?

Well there aren't any competitors anymore. iBiquity has paid them not to develop their IBOC technology or at least not to use it for the same purposes that HD (tm) is being used.

Originally, there were more than two companies that were developing IBOC. To know who they were, you have to remember what was happening back in the late 1990s when this technology was first being devloped at a feverish pace. I am not going to name the companies because it should be obvious which ones the most infamous two of them were (they merged to become iBiquity), I don't know if the others want it to be public knowledge that they were paid off not to develop their technology for IBOC and I also want to continue working in my chosen profession. I will tell you personally, however, that you actually know who some of the other actual individual developers were at that time (including the individual who actually dreamed up the concept of IBOC in the early 1990s) but since they had good positions with other companies when they were doing all this on the side I am quite certain that they would like their identities to remain a secret.

There are only a handful of persons (besides Mr. Struble) who know what really happened as this saga unfolded. I am not one of them. But I knew these people when all of this was going on and I am still in touch with one of the aforementioned individuals so I am privy to more information than most. Hopefully, someday you will find out who the original developers actually are/were because somebody else will expose what has been going on for what it is.

But until then, it's going to all be about the money. Just follow the money.