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Radio Systems parts - alternative sources?

Anyone know where I can get some parts for a Radio Systems desk other than the manufacturer?

I'm looking for (amongst other things) the 9 station pushbutton switches (part # 7308) for the RS-12
and some of the "channel on" switches (made by Licon).

Radio Systems don't seem interested in answering my emails and I am not going to make international toll calls to them!
 
There's another vendor that isn't worth two cents! Don't you just love it when companies ignore support queries?

I wish I could give you something to go on, but depending on how old the unit is it just may be near impossible to obtain. I know I have a console where it's pratically impossible to get the chips that control the audio sliders, so I know what you're going through.
 
Studio1:

No person at Radio Systems has received an inquiry for our 9 position switch in several months. Perhaps your email was mis-directed or filtered as Spam. We take pride in supporting EVERY Radio Systems product ever manufactured, all the way back to 1976, even though some parts are exceedingly difficult to source. It is true that, in some cases, there simply is no longer a part available. In those cases, we always try to provide a customer with a creative alternative.

The 9 position switch was manufactured by ITT-Schadow, which no longer exists. We switched to keypad technology in 1999, and purchased all remaining 9 position switches for spare stock. Now, almost nine years later, we are indeed out of this spare part, although the full headphone and monitor assembly is available (with switch). I have been negotiating for several months with CIT to manufacture a substitute, but to date I have yet to see a first article. I expect to have these replacements early in 2008.

The on/off switch was, in fact, made by Microswitch, not Licon. These are still available and stocked by us.

I invite you to retry your email; you may send it to me ([email protected]) or our sales department ([email protected]). We will be happy to quote prices for the parts you require.

Gerrett Conover
Vice President
Radio Systems, Inc.
www.radiosystems.com
 
Thank you Gerrett for your thoughts and comments.

My criticism of the lack of replies to emails was a general one - so many companies these days don't seem to want to reply
to email enquiries, and it beats me why they bother having such contact details on their websites.

I am aware that spam filtering can discard some messages, however I did send one email recently, had a reply to it, then on the second message it went unanswered. At that point I thought "hmm, another company that doesn't want to reply because I'm not spending thousands with them" - this is a situation that I come up against quite often.

I will email you directly.
 
RADIOSYSTEMS said:
I invite you to retry your email; you may send it to me ([email protected]) or our sales department ([email protected]). We will be happy to quote prices for the parts you require.

Gerrett Conover
Vice President
Radio Systems, Inc.
www.radiosystems.com

Gerrett,

Might I suggest that you have your webmaster place a contact form on your web site. I have done this with all the sites I currently administer and it guarantees that all responses are received since the form is sourced for your own web site.

Glad Radio Systems is still around. I know it seems all the smaller players seem to have support issues these days, which is why my comment was on the terse side - for which I apologize.
 
For the record, I'd just like to say that Gerrett has answered all of my emails sent to him directly, and not only that, has gone out of his
way to provide me with the information and items I require.

My confidence in US companies has been restored [well, for RS anyway!]

Thank you Gerrett for your assistance.
 
Are there other places to get Radio Systems parts? I've tried all of those addresses above and cannot get an answer back about ordering a new set of coils to convert a low-band AM to the upper band range.
 
(revised post)
After lurking on this list for 5 years I signed up not long ago because of this thread. My handle reflects the reason for signing up. I would like to remind folks that things are far more complex than generally assumed.

This most recent post is once again a customers who is out to get something by about publicly complaining about a company company, or is simply not making normal and reasonable efforts to contact a small company at a busy time of year.

Broadcast buyers face up to the fact that broadcast is a TINY market and the companies that specialize in equipment are small businesses. If you call once or twice and get a busy (or, for that matter no answer) maybe that is because people who never bother to read manuals and who have no engineering background are tying up the support line. The complete lack of knowledge by many "broadcast engineers" these days is astonishing, but broadcast companies are more often than not willing to teach you your job. This takes time and hurt those who need emergency support.

I have never worked for the folks at Radio Systems, but I have been in the industry long enough to know Garrett and Dan well enough to know that they goal is to take care of their customers well. If you have made "attempts" to contact Radio Systems (or 95% of other broadcast manufacturers) and not gotten through you might try again (maybe the next day) before you blast the company. Just remember, if you hurt their sales, support will be affected just as the rest of the company.

While there is absolutely no excuse for the poor service customers receive from large mega companies such as the phone company, cable TV, or many other industries (for example consumer electronics), the factors that effect a small business such as most manaufacturers are much different. Remember, the companies in the broadcast business are a TINY fraction of the size of those giants. And despite that, overall they do far BETTER than these mega companies.

Yes, of course, broadcasters need a high degree of support, and of course broadcasters expect and deserve good support. And, the vast majority of times they get it. If however, occasionally you get a busy signal, or it takes a few days to get a response to an email, consider that someone might be out sick, on vacation, or overworked just as much as you are. I can tell you form having worked for many companies this is the truth, not some lack of caring by the owners of these companies.

Worst case, call the President of the company (try that with a mega company) and let him/her know that things are not going as well as you expected. S/he will THANK you for your comments and, if the problem is systemic, work to fix it.

It is extremely rare that the company truly doesn't care, but to many on forums such as this that is the assumption by many users. If you want to blackmail someone on-line blackmail a mega corporation, not the people at broadcast manufacturers who are generally trying very hard to take care of you. After all, if your companies were being unfairly attacked how would YOU feel?


Just a reality check.... from RealityCheckr :)
 
RealityCheckr said:
(revised post)
After lurking on this list for 5 years I signed up not long ago because of this thread. My handle reflects the reason for signing up. I would like to remind folks that things are far more complex than generally assumed.

This most recent post is once again a customers who is out to get something by about publicly complaining about a company company, or is simply not making normal and reasonable efforts to contact a small company at a busy time of year.

Broadcast buyers face up to the fact that broadcast is a TINY market and the companies that specialize in equipment are small businesses. If you call once or twice and get a busy (or, for that matter no answer) maybe that is because people who never bother to read manuals and who have no engineering background are tying up the support line. The complete lack of knowledge by many "broadcast engineers" these days is astonishing, but broadcast companies are more often than not willing to teach you your job. This takes time and hurt those who need emergency support.

I have never worked for the folks at Radio Systems, but I have been in the industry long enough to know Garrett and Dan well enough to know that they goal is to take care of their customers well. If you have made "attempts" to contact Radio Systems (or 95% of other broadcast manufacturers) and not gotten through you might try again (maybe the next day) before you blast the company. Just remember, if you hurt their sales, support will be affected just as the rest of the company.

While there is absolutely no excuse for the poor service customers receive from large mega companies such as the phone company, cable TV, or many other industries (for example consumer electronics), the factors that effect a small business such as most manaufacturers are much different. Remember, the companies in the broadcast business are a TINY fraction of the size of those giants. And despite that, overall they do far BETTER than these mega companies.

Yes, of course, broadcasters need a high degree of support, and of course broadcasters expect and deserve good support. And, the vast majority of times they get it. If however, occasionally you get a busy signal, or it takes a few days to get a response to an email, consider that someone might be out sick, on vacation, or overworked just as much as you are. I can tell you form having worked for many companies this is the truth, not some lack of caring by the owners of these companies.

Worst case, call the President of the company (try that with a mega company) and let him/her know that things are not going as well as you expected. S/he will THANK you for your comments and, if the problem is systemic, work to fix it.

It is extremely rare that the company truly doesn't care, but to many on forums such as this that is the assumption by many users. If you want to blackmail someone on-line blackmail a mega corporation, not the people at broadcast manufacturers who are generally trying very hard to take care of you. After all, if your companies were being unfairly attacked how would YOU feel?


Just a reality check.... from RealityCheckr :)


Interesting nick there.

In no way were my original comments a form of "blackmail".

I do most of my correspondence via email. I deal with dozens of companies, all over the world and in my home country.

I have discovered over the years that there are a lot of companies who simply never check their emails. Why they even have an email address listed on their website amazes me.

I know this to be the case, because in 95% of instances where I have received no reply after sending up to a dozen emails over as many weeks, I have called them up on the phone to find out why. The general response? "Oh, we don't check that very often" or "we are having trouble with the system". Yeah, right.

Yes, I agree - a lot of broadcast companies are small outfits. But they all have a secretary or someone who answers the phones, and while she is sitting there filing her nails or playing Solitaire on the computer in front of her she could at least check the emails once a day!

Another situation I have had - the website gives the name of a technical representative in the list of email addresses, so I fire off an email to that person.
The following week I happen to be at the very company concerned, and the person I sent the email happens to walk past. I ask "Did you receive an email about X and Y last week?" and they reply "Yes, I did, and I forwarded it on to such and such - has he not got back to you?"

This person should have at least replied to me and said "I have received your enquiry and forwarded it on to ..... ". Then at least I would know what was happening and who I needed to contact for further information. It only takes a few seconds to send me an acknowledgement.

It is also apparent to me that bosses don't always know that people are having difficulties in communicating with their company. It's not until a complaint comes in and makes it to their desk that they even realise someone is not happy. The receptionist / office girl is often the first person that a customer has any dealings with, and if she is not promoting the business or attending to inquiries as she should, it leaves the customer feeling very disgruntled.

I have worked for large corporations and small businesses, so I know exactly what it is like in both areas.

The number one philosophy that I have always held however, is that every customer is acknowledged and followed up. If I take a call from them, or an email, it is noted - time, day, date, point of contact, reason for enquiry. If I have not personally followed their requirements up, I will call them within a week to make sure that someone else has! I go back through my daily planner and follow up. It only takes a few seconds to put a call in and make sure that their needs have been met. These few seconds can mean the difference between repeat business and lost sales.

If you wish to survive in business, you have to provide timely and efficient service to your clients - no matter whether they are calling up for a 50 cent lamp or a new on-air studio.

Whether you believe it or not, there are companies out there that don't give a toss - and this usually shows when they close their doors finally due to poor/non-existent sales. I have dealt with such firms in my time and it's easy to see why they don't last.



Once again I must point out that Gerrett was extremely helpful and followed up with everything that I asked about. I don't have any issues with the service he provided, in fact it was outstanding.

This was not an attack on Radio Systems - as mentioned above, it was a general submission. I simply asked if anyone knew of any other sources of RS parts.

Yes I could have phoned directly - but given that I am in a country on the other side of the world, where the time zones don't exactly allow for practical communication, and the toll (long-distance) rates are hideously expensive - I try where possible to avoid such calls.
 
Studio 1,


I have no beef with you. First of ll you first post on this thread was an honest attempt to find parts. Your email specified the parts you were looking for. I am sure Garrett (and Dan) were please so here of the problems and steps have already been taking. Furthermore, you took the time to follow up and state that you had been taken car of.

So, your post, was well within reasonable, particularly given a legitimate preference not to use the phone. I have no beef with you at all.

In fact, despite having registered on the forum at that time I never did post anything because you seemed very reasonable and therefore did not seem a good example for what I see with regards to trends by users in this industry.

On the other hand, Gunterm's post seemed a very good example of the problem I see increasing daily. If he truly wanted an alternative source for parts why didn't s/he list part numbers or descriptions or at LEAST the model referred to.

You state:

_________________________________________________
Another situation I have had - the website gives the name of a technical representative in the list of email addresses, so I fire off an email to that person.
The following week I happen to be at the very company concerned, and the person I sent the email happens to walk past. I ask "Did you receive an email about X and Y last week?" and they reply "Yes, I did, and I forwarded it on to such and such - has he not got back to you?"

This person should have at least replied to me and said "I have received your enquiry and forwarded it on to ..... ". Then at least I would know what was happening and who I needed to contact for further information. It only takes a few seconds to send me an acknowledgement.

It is also apparent to me that bosses don't always know that people are having difficulties in communicating with their company. It's not until a complaint comes in and makes it to their desk that they even realise someone is not happy. The receptionist / office girl is often the first person that a customer has any dealings with, and if she is not promoting the business or attending to inquiries as she should, it leaves the customer feeling very disgruntled.

_________________________________________________

I agree with all of your points, but I can state that by definition telephone calls have to take precedence. This is quite different than the case where a clerk take a call and the callers winds up jumping the queue of people standing at the clerk's desk.

A telephone caller has made a live request. And if the problem is urgent the telephone call allows live troubleshooting and the most efficient solution to a problem.

Now, your original observation is correct, certain non-urgent issues like parts certainly should be able to be handled using email. And if they can't, the manufacturer deserve fair warning and then possibly public discussion (particularly if it has happened multiple times with that company - often people have a single bad experience and extrapolate - I know this because I have seen it happen, and looked at the email threads involved).

This public discussion would particularly relevant in a discussion about equipment recommendations.

As to you point about the bosses not knowing, you are correct. Generally this is the case, and that is where feedback comes into play (and IMHO this is the point where it is worth paying for a call to deliver that feedback). While I would prefer it not to be public, but in your I think it was handled reasonably and you certain did get back to the forum. Frankly, my feeling is that Guntorn probably did not read this thread or he'd be corresponding with Garrett and have his problem resolved.

My main point is think first!

Studio1, thanks for carrying on this back and forth. It is excedingly difficult for manufacturers when these things happen in public. It has also been a huge issue the fact that, as I said, the knowledge level of buyers/users has dropped dramatically and of course (at least in the USA) engineers no longer have the time to do their jobs properly (sad fact).

I registered this handle to try and give the manufacturer's view point because I think in many cases broqdcast manufacturers are not acknowleged to be small companies with limited resources. That does NOT get them off the hook for taking care of their customers. But it does give some clues as to how to deal with frustrations. For example for the cost of a single phone call odds are that you COULD talk someone in upper management that will understand the need to handle your problem.

Thanks for the discussion and your own reality check!

PS: I suspect fax would work better than email. This is because, like a ringing phone, a fax does no need to be "checked" and hence queues more naturally than an email or voice mail (another frequent source of frustrations).

All the best....
 
Allright, if its a parts list you want, here is what I've been trying to order from radio systems:

===================================================================================================================================
Parent Item: 10245 TR-20 CONVERSION KIT (LB->HB) Loc: NJ LLC: 0
1 10 2880 COIL 23 TURN 0 EA .0 A Y N 1.000000
NJ 2 M Y N
1 20 2881 COIL 19 TURN 0 EA .0 A Y N 1.000000
NJ 2 M Y N
1 30 2892 CAP 750 PF SILVER MICA 0 EA .0 A Y N 1.000000
NJ 2 P Y N
1 40 2890 CAP 2000PF SILVER MICA 0 EA .0 A Y N 1.000000
NJ 3 P Y N
1 50 2891 CAP 220PF SILVER MICA 0 EA .0 A Y N 1.000000
NJ 2 P Y N
1 60 2885 CAP 3300PF SILVER MICA 0 EA .0 A Y N 1.000000
NJ 2 P Y N
1 70 2791 CAP 1500 PF SILVER MICA 0 EA .0 A Y N 1.000000

It's not like I'm in a super-hurry or anything, this is just a backup for an existing working system.
 
Going back to the very earliest post. If it's THAT important so you complain about it on a message board, then it must be important enough that you need the part.

And if it's important enough that you really need the part, then really pick up the stupid phone!
 
Sgeirk said:
Going back to the very earliest post. If it's THAT important so you complain about it on a message board, then it must be important enough that you need the part.

And if it's important enough that you really need the part, then really pick up the stupid phone!

1. I wasn't complaining. I was simply asking if anyone knew of an alternative source of parts.

2. There were a number of parts I wanted to enquire about. Some are for a desk that I know is no longer supported. With legacy products and parts such as these, quite often the staff have no idea as to whether they have them, and need to check with someone else or go digging in the depths of the storeroom to see what may be hiding there.
Given the fact that I am in New Zealand, and RS are in the USA, it costs me (quite a bit) to pick up the phone and call them. If the person I manage to get on the phone has to go and hunt such things down, they often leave me hanging on the line - at great cost to myself.
Alternatively, they suggest they will put me through to someone else, and inevitably, that person is on the phone, away from their desk, out of the office etc - "Please leave a message and I will return your call as soon as I can".

Therefore, I have just wasted how ever many dollars to end up talking to a machine, with no point of leaving a message because as much as I don't wish to make a toll call to the USA, the staff at most companies don't wish to return an international call to me.

3. It is on these grounds that sending an email is much more efficient. It costs neither myself or the recipient anything significant - it gives them time to look into the matter, and allows them to advise me on the outcome.
This of course relies on the email reaching the appropriate person, and them actually following it up.

Sadly, not all companies are geared to handle such situations. Many advertise email addresses on their websites, but no one actually checks the mail or does anything about it.
 
Hell, it could be worse ... you could be calling LPBN who neither answers their phone or responds to email - nice to see they announced they're out of business on their web site ... yeh, right!
 
gunterm said:
[EDIT-Post Removed]

1) You catch more flies with Honey than with Vinegar!

2) If you piss off all the folks at a company do you really think they will go out of their way for you? Sure, they will give you standard service, but if it means making a trip to the airport, or working with you for hours after closing, or otherwise going out of their way, odds are they will do this for nice people but not people who are unreasonable.

3) Reasonable test - When perusing a forum for answers to your question and you find the email address of the VP of the company, it would make more sense to email him than to make a post.

4) When looking for completely generic parts (unlike the OP who needed unique switches etc) pick up a catalog or use Google. Odds are you can do the whole thing online and never have to phone or even email.

5) If you are unhappy about a lack of email support, then next time there is a thread about consoles to point out you have had that problem with a company and since this is an important criteria for you, you would not purchase from manufacturer X if you had to do it again.

This would be a useful and grown up way to handle feedback about a company.

6) Email is certainly appropriate for parts orders, as the OP has noted. But any sort of troubleshooting is VERY inefficient via email. It not only takes longer to get you an answer, but it takes far more of the support engineers time. I can say this for a fact, live troubleshooting just works better.

So, to conclude, if you cannot use the phone for International calls (at the least for troubleshooting) I would strongly suggest you not buy from overseas companies.

Just another Reality Check....
 
Well I don't need any of those things, If I can't get the parts I'll just sell it on eBay and get one that is frequency agile and working.
 
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