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Radio Waves: An Angry Luckoff Signs Off At KGO, KSFO

Ben Fong-Torres interviews Mickey Luckoff, who dishes on what really happened behind the scenes at 900 Front Street, including this gem:

"Everything that the CBS people warned us about came true: total control, can't spend a dime, and you'd have to go through layers," Luckoff continued. "And then you found out that the layers were one person. He's something else. He has no regard for people whatsoever. He's apparently pretty damned skilled financially. To be able to overpay for the ABC Radio group, take the company into bankruptcy, come out of it, pay every one of his hand picked (board) directors $1 million each and get himself a $43 million package (in grants of stock) is unbelievable."

Why is corporate greed killing radio? The answer, in large part, is told here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/29/PKPU1FVENS.DTL
 
Dude, so at Clear Channel it's how many guys? How about at Cumulus, dude?

You obviously think that mass ownership by companies that care nothing about radio is not a problem. So, then, what do you think is the reason?
 
BossRadioDJ said:
Dude, so at Clear Channel it's how many guys? How about at Cumulus, dude?

You obviously think that mass ownership by companies that care nothing about radio is not a problem. So, then, what do you think is the reason?

The reason for what?

I can point to a bunch of non-corporate stations in San Francisco that suck. What does that mean?

I worked for mom & pop owners who were a whole lot worse. Complete with the "casting couch" in their office. I'm not kidding.

If you think getting rid of corporate ownership will revive radio, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you. Each situation is different, and radio's problems are bigger than "corporate greed."
 
TheBigA said:
The reason for what?

The reason radio is dying. Pay attention.

I can point to a bunch of non-corporate stations in San Francisco that suck. What does that mean?

Way to craft your argument. Frame it around something I didn't say.

Okay, let me know which non-corporate radio stations in San Francisco suck. That sounds like a fun excercise for you, dude.
 
Live and local are the things that give radio a unique selling proposition to its listers. Personalities that connect with listeners have, for the most part, been axed by the large radio companies in favor of voice tracking or syndication or both. This has magnified problems radio already had competing with new media. There have been plenty of bad indie owners over the years, but none have come close to the enormous damage to the product that these corporations and their investment vulture owners have inflicted on the industry.
 
SFStatic said:
Live and local are the things that give radio a unique selling proposition to its listers. Personalities that connect with listeners have, for the most part, been axed by the large radio companies in favor of voice tracking or syndication or both.

Depends on the format and daypart. Dayparts and stations that attract audience are still live in most places.

But the key thing to know is that younger audiences don't use live media as much as they used to. The focus on real time radio is diminishing. People want to be able to hear what they want when they want to hear it. Blame Tivo for changing the way we work.

As for localism, it's once again a function of format and daypart. Syndication hasn't hurt AM talk, and it hasn't hurt public radio. To have a local DJ in San Francisco saying "that was" and "this is,"
is silly, and the audience knows it. So formats where a local personality can add something remain mostly unchanged. But live personality on music radio simply isn't the draw it used to be.

Without a doubt, radio is still struggling with advertising. There's a short term boost from the election, but other than that, I think the numbers are still off. And it hasn't helped that local small businesses are in trouble. Anone watch 60 Minutes last nmight and their story about Newton Iowa? That story is playing out in towns across the country. You can't spend money you don't have.

Now the situation in this article I think is very specific to Citadel. This guy went from working for a multi-media company that pays well and treats its employees well to a radio-only company run by a tyrant. Call it culture shock, but there's no question that he was going to have to deal with some harsh changes. Anyone who work at any of the former CBS radio stations will tell you that it was better under CBS. That's why I take issue with the generalization that big corporations are bad for radio. It depends on the company.
 
I'll say it again...Big Corporations are bad for radio. Or, if you prefer, ALLOWING Big Corporations to own a whole boatload of radio stations is bad for radio. I've worked for Mom & Pops as well as several of said Big Corporations. We've all worked for jerks, in and out of radio. So the Mom and Pop argument fails...because I had a great time with my Mom & Pop experience - although I'm disappointed I didn't get the casting couch treatment.

In the end, majority ownership of major market stations across the country by Big Corporations has been a massive failure. The medium is in transition, but corporations did not and are not facilitating the changes.
 
DyingMedium said:
I'll say it again...Big Corporations are bad for radio. Or, if you prefer, ALLOWING Big Corporations to own a whole boatload of radio stations is bad for radio.

Yet Disney is a much much bigger corporation than Citadel, and it was good for radio. Until they decided to sell.

But I think a lot of big corporations are looking to sell off stations outside of the Top 50. When they do, it'll be interesting to see who, if anyone, buys them, and how they revive the medium. Based on what I've been seeing in the markets where it's already happened, I wouldn't count on much. It takes money to hire people and give them the tools they need. Mom & pops don't have that kind of money. But the fact is that companies that have money aren't going to spend it on radio.
 
SFStatic said:
Live and local are the things that give radio a unique selling proposition to its listers.

Maybe, maybe not. If live'n'local is so important, why is KOIT the #1 music station? They sound voicetracked even when they're not. The most local stuff they do is a weather forecast, which could be done from anywhere. Yet, KOIT continues to draw big numbers.
 
An eerie prediction: Rush and Sean and other syndicated programming get moved to KGO and KSFO gets brokered out. KGO starts to sound exactly like WABC! Very sad! :(
 
TheBigA said:
Yet Disney is a much much bigger corporation than Citadel, and it was good for radio. Until they decided to sell.

Good example. Disney is an entertainment and media company. The heart and soul of its radio division for many years was Roy Disney, who loved radio and owned numerous stations (including San Francisco's KABL AM & FM) through his Shamrock Broadcasting Company.

The ways in which Citadel, Cumulus and Clear Channel are unlike Disney could fill a library.
 
Geek-O-Rama said:
David, so why does KOIT continue to draw those big numbers.

Uh, because they play non-intrusive friendly music people like to hear? People obviously don't tune in for the DJs or any kind of local content. They tune in for the music.
 
Some of the things said in this conversation continuum deserve a rebuttal, at least:

Big-A(hole) "To have a local DJ in San Francisco saying
"that was" and "this is," is silly, and the audience
knows it.


You're silly, if you think that's all a radio personality
does. When entertainment is involved, the audience knows
that, too.

"But live personality on music radio simply isn't the
draw it used to be.

No kidding. If THAT's all you do, you BELONG in front of a Clear Channel
monitor, watching pre-recorded pap play off.

"You can't spend money you don't have.

Yeah, you can. It's called an investment. But, lesson
learned: you cannot buy over-priced broadcast properties
looking for a fast buck, then eliminate all the live
people that make the radio station work, and expect to
make any real money...

That's why I take issue with the generalization that
big corporations are bad for radio. It depends on the
company.


How about America? Do you like the way some companies have usurped
your rights as a U.S. citizen? Does the cost of freedom depend on the company?

Yet Disney is a much much bigger corporation than
Citadel, and it was good for radio. Until they...


Right, Big-A. "good for radio...UNTIL..."
Now they're evil. No commitment, only a quick grab for the
fast buck, UNTIL...they change CEOs...
These are not broadcasters. Thus, they do NOT know
anything about the programs they are broadcasting. They
ARE fleecing their shareholders. You're watching the
pickpockets in action. Wait! was that a hand in your pocket?

I think a lot of big corporations are looking to sell
off ..When they do... I wouldn't count on much. It
takes money to hire people and give them the tools
they need. Mom & pops don't have that kind of money


B.S. MY companies (many in broadcast and commercial
support) are all people oriented. Our employees are what
makes the machinery really click - much better than an
automated system. We love working together.

One doesn't HAVE to play "Monkey see, monkey do," But
then, one must LIKE people in order to properly pull it
off. And, to do that, mustn't harbor fear. Which also
means one must like one's self, NOT that stupid mental
image of a concocted personality locked the imagination.

But the fact is that companies that have money aren't
going to spend it on radio.


That's your mind talking, sir, not you. Make up your mind,
A-man. You earlier said, "Radio isn't dying. It's
changing..."AND "...Mom & pops don't have that kind of
money..." Which is it?

Now we have David Kaye chiming in: "why is KOIT the #1
music station? They sound voicetracked even when they're
not. The most local stuff they do is a weather forecast..."


Incorrect. Shows you do not know what a professional
REALLY does on the air. I thought you were more well
versed than that.

Geek-O-Rama: "...so why does KOIT continue to draw
those big numbers(?)...


Because their Programming, Sales, and Management work
together with excellence. KOIT Programming does more
right in one day than most stations do wrong all year. The
format tactics are largely invisible on the air (way more than
Liners and weather, professor) - just sounds easy and easy
on the ears. But it's a very complicated mechanism that
only appears simple.

Once again, the genius Mr. Kaye: "...People obviously
don't tune in for the DJs or any kind of local
content. They tune in for the music..."


Yeah, and they never look at album covers in the Amoeba
record stores either, do they? Naw, they just look at the
plastic round thing. C'mon, sir. Your generalizations are
too broad for this thread...

Right now, I am so proud of Mr. Luckoff I cannot put it
into proper words.

While you were broadcasting in our City, the big switch said "Luck ON."
 
skyrocker said:
That's your mind talking, sir, not you. Make up your mind,
A-man. You earlier said, "Radio isn't dying. It's
changing..."AND "...Mom & pops don't have that kind of
money..." Which is it?

It's not a one-or-the-other thing. It's both. The fact is that hundreds of top radio properties on the market at 1/10th their value right now, and no one is buying. So it's not the price of the stations.

None of the companies that bought these stations did it for a quick buck. If that was the goal, they all would have sold in 2005 at the top of the price range. Only Disney did it, and yet Luckoff says they were great. If they were so great, why did they desert him, and not hire him to run one of their ESPN Radio properties?

skyrocker said:
How about America? Do you like the way some companies have usurped
your rights as a U.S. citizen? Does the cost of freedom depend on the company?

That's up to you. No one forces you to work for any company. You have the freedom to do whatever you want when you work for yourself.
 
No one forces you to work for any company. You have the freedom to do whatever you want when you work for yourself.

Again, you're framing your argument around something Skyrocker didn't say. You turned "company" into "your employer."

Oh, and Radio Ink is reporting that Farid has had his stock pulled after other shareholders cried "egregious fraud":

http://radioink.com/Article.asp?id=2007239&spid=24698
 
;) Yup! It looks like Mr. Luckoff's comments about the head thief and his ways payed off for the current stockholders of Citadel "Broadcasting". It's nice to see some that has enough guts to say it like it is. Farid Suleman and his pals almost got away with it. Suprise! Hopefully that investment group that complained will take the next set and send his sorry self pack'in. We don't need any more Farids in this industry.
 
BossRadioDJ said:
Again, you're framing your argument around something Skyrocker didn't say. You turned "company" into "your employer."

I think I addressed his point very directly. Anyone who doesn't like corporations or the rules they have are welcome to work for someone else. There is no Constitutional right to a job.

If Skyrocker feels I misunderstood his point, he can explain it for me.

BossRadioDJ said:
Oh, and Radio Ink is reporting that Farid has had his stock pulled after other shareholders cried "egregious fraud":

http://radioink.com/Article.asp?id=2007239&spid=24698

I support the stockholder's lawsuit. Too bad more of them didn't step in before the bankruptcy.
 
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